Obama Hits Russia With New Sanctions for Election Hacking

**Dragonfly** · 09-01-2017, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Those silly Russians leaving their ip address behind, date stamp and idiots too, for using a cyrilic keyboard! Oh, not to mention last year's malware!

problem is that you can't get evidence of a real hack, and the hack trace if any, couldn't be readable by a normal human being like Trump or Obama or even the head of the NSA

so it's all about posture and politics

**Dragonfly** · 09-01-2017, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by thailazer

He knows Trump is totally incompetent at what he is now tasked with.

to be fair, all President-elect are incompetent at what they become, there is nothing that prepare you for it

even a dummy like GW Bush managed to stay 8 years as POTUS, so everyone can do it, even Trump

**Mr Earl** · 10-01-2017, 12:45 AM

The whole hacking business has gotten so convoluted we really can't be sure what is really going on.
The NSA could've easily done the hacking themselves and made it look like the Russians did it.
The Russians could've done it and made it look like the Chinese did it.
The Chinese could've done it and made it look like the Russians did it.

The most likely scenario is the NSA did it, as they already have all of the Hillary emails and the most to gain by stirring up conflict with Russia.

**wasabi** · 10-01-2017, 12:51 AM

Exactly Earl it's an inside job, wouldn't be the first Watergate.

**Mr Earl** · 10-01-2017, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by wasabi

Exactly Earl it's an inside job, wouldn't be the first Watergate.

Yes , and the NSA has the very best hacking and surveillance capabilities of anyone.
The NSA data gathering capacity is absolutely flabergasting!

What's the Storage Capacity of an NSA Data Center? - Yottabytes: Storage and Disaster Recovery

**sabang** · 10-01-2017, 10:17 AM

After this farcical attempt, the only people taking these allegations seriously must be politically biased people within the USA (and there are plenty of them)- or their 'useful idiots' elsewhere. I wasn't even going to glorify this load of shit with any comment, but here goes (if only to demonstrate that "US Inteliigence" is an oxymoron these days). But you should already know that- after all, these are the same people that earnestly assured you that Saddam had WMD's, posed an 'existential threat' to the USA (just like James Crapper just said about Russia), and was busy buying parts for nuclear purposes in the Congo, of all places. All barefaced lies.

So prepare for the demolition.

The eagerly awaited Director Of National Intelligence’s (DNI) report “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections” didn’t need such a long winded title. They could have just called it: “We Really Don’t Like RT.”

Almost every major western news outlet splashed this story. But it was probably the New York Times' report which was the most amusing. America’s “paper of record” hailed the DNI’s homework as “damning and surprisingly detailed.” Then a few paragraphs later admitted the analysis contained no actual evidence.

Thus, in a few column inches, the Gray Lady went from describing the DNI’s release as something conclusive to conceding how it was all conjecture. “The declassified report contained no information about how the agencies had collected their data or had come to their conclusions,” the reporter, one David E. Sanger, told us. He then reached further into his bag of tricks to warn how it is “bound to be attacked by skeptics.”

Yes, those skeptics. Aren’t they awful? Like, imagine not accepting an intelligence document at face value? Especially when it warns that a nuclear armed military superpower is interfering in the American democratic process, but then offers not a smidgen of proof for its assertions. Not to mention how it appears to have been put together by a group of people with barely a clue about Russia.

For instance, RT programs such as “Breaking The Set” and “The Truthseeker” are mentioned in a submission supposed to be about how RT seemingly cost Hillary Clinton the US Presidential Election. But both of these programmes went off air around two years ago.

The stream of obsolete information continues. Readers could be led to believe that the head of RT’s Arabic Service is Aydar Aganin and the London bureau is headed by Darya Pushkova. The problem is neither of these individuals currently work at RT, nor have done for a long time. And the focus on the latter is presumably because she's defined as "the daughter of Aleksey Pushkov, the current chair of the Duma Russian Foreign Affairs Committee."

But even if she were employed at RT, what would be unusual about it anyway? After all, many journalists have family members who've been involved in politics at one time or another. For instance, CNN host Christiane Amanpour’s husband James Rubin was an advisor to Hillary Clinton, and served as a US Assistant Secretary of State under her husband, Bill.

Plumbing the depths

So how bad is this report? You’d have to say on a scale of 1-10, it’d be eleven. The core message appears to be that having a point of view which is out of sync with the liberal popular media is considered a hostile act by US spooks. And it’s specifically the liberal press’ worldview they are defending here. Now, it’s up to you to judge whether this support, from state actors, is justified or not.

The DNI’s submission is ostensibly the work of highly qualified intelligence experts, but everything you learn about RT comes from publicly available interviews and Tweets posted by this channel’s own people. Yet, we are supposed to believe how the best Russia brains of three agencies – the CIA, FBI and NSA – laboured to produce this stuff? That said, the latter doesn’t appear to be fully on board, offering “moderate” confidence, in contrast to the other’s “high confidence.”

Approximately a third of the document centers on RT. And it appears that we should swallow how RT succeeded where the combined might of CNN, NBC, CBS, The Washington Post and the New York Times and others failed in influencing the US election. Not to mention the reality where 500 US media outlets endorsed Clinton and only 25 President-elect Donald Trump. It’s time to scream: “stop the lights!”

Meanwhile, the “background info” on RT offered here appears to have been compiled on the basis of poorly translated decade old articles and long-obsolete stats. As a result, the only current stuff, actually relevant to the 2016 election, comes down to “Russia hacked US election because RT criticized Clinton.” The absurdity of the claim is evidently lost on the authors.

Fragile facts

The mistakes are myriad. Audience figures are out of date. And the general feel is of some kind of amateurish compilation from a think tank. In fact, you could argue that many lobby firms' anti-Russia reports have been more polished than this offering. But they are chancers, with faux academic sounding titles, and the DNI is supposed to boast the finest minds of US intelligence.

More outdated facts follow. When it comes to YouTube views, the report cites a figure of 800 million for RT. However, it’s five times higher, at four billion, and counting. Indeed, the English language channel alone can be proud of over 1.5 billion hits at present.

The point needs to be laboured because it exposes how shoddy this submission is. The compilers plainly couldn’t have been bothered to engage an intern to update their figures before publication. And it speaks volumes. So too when a Kommersant article, dated 07/04/2012 is explained as the fourth of July, as opposed to the seventh of April. Because you’d imagine Russia focused spies would be able to understand the European dating style, wouldn’t you?

Then there’s how the ‘investigators’ refer to Dmitry Kiselev and Vladimir Zhironovsky as somehow influential here. They allege the former’s TV show was biased towards Trump’s candidacy. But it’s a domestic programme, in Russian, aimed at people who live in Russia and can’t vote in US elections. Likewise, Zhirinovsky’s presence is bizarre (he’s described as a ‘Kremlin proxy’) because he’s an ageing clown. And, as it happens, his remark about “drinking champagne’ in the event of a Trump victory is rather mild given his track record. We are talking about a man who once predicted that George Bush’s soldiers would be “torn to pieces” if they invaded Iraq. So Nostradamus, he ain’t. And his clout with Putin is probably somewhere between slim and none.

The DNI’s report is beyond bad. And it’s scary to think how outgoing President Obama has stirred up a nasty diplomatic battle with Russia based on intelligence so devoid of insight and quality. There is nothing here which suggests the authors have any special savvy or insight. In fact, you could argue how a group of students would've assembled something of similar substance by simply reading back issues of The New York Times.

But the biggest takeaway is that it’s clear how the calibre of Russia expertise in America is mediocre, if not spookily sparse. And while this report might be fodder for amusement, the actual policy implications are nothing short of dangerous.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/372942-rt...igence-reveal/

Seriously, even if you were an undergrad student would you release such a piece of trash and call it an Essay? I have to wonder what the true agenda is here- ignorant trash released under the auspice of "US Intelligence", to appeal to the ignorant and biased- they of the pre-ordained conclusion, or the brain numbingly naive who thinks that it's right just because amerka says so (like Iraq). The policy implications are seriously concerning, there seems to be a move among the Agencies to undermine and neuter President elect Trump before he takes office.

Europe really, really needs to move it's foreign policy further from the USA. That is the most important point of all- possibly even existential.

**sabang** · 10-01-2017, 10:24 AM

More Demolition, for the technically minded-

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT THINKS THOUSANDS OF RUSSIAN HACKERS MAY BE READING MY BLOG. THEY AREN’T.
Micah Lee

January 5 2017, 2:38 a.m.

AFTER THE U.S. GOVERNMENT published a report on Russia’s cyber attacks against the U.S. election system, and included a list of computers that were allegedly used by Russian hackers, I became curious if any of these hackers had visited my personal blog. The U.S. report, which boasted of including “technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by Russian civilian and military intelligence services,” came with a list of 876 suspicious IP addresses used by the hackers, and these addresses were the clues I needed to, in the end, understand a gaping weakness in the report.

An IP address is a set of numbers that identifies a computer, or a network of computers, on the internet. Each time someone loads my website, it logs their IP address. So I searched my web server logs for the suspicious IP addresses, and I was shocked to discover over 80,000 web requests from IPs used by the Russian hackers in the last 14 months! Digging further, I found that some of these Russian hackers had even posted comments (mostly innocuous technical questions)! Even today, several days after publication of the report (which used a codename for the Russian attack, Grizzly Steppe), I’m still finding these suspicious IP addresses in my logs — although I would expect the Russians to stop using them after the U.S. government exposed them.

What is happening? Are elite Russian hackers regular readers of my blog? Am I under cyber attack?

I found out, after some digging, that of the 876 suspicious IP addresses that the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of National Intelligence put on the Russian cyber attacker list, at least 367 of them (roughly 42%) are either Tor exit nodes right now, or were Tor exit nodes in the last few years. I have a lot of regular readers who are Tor users, and I’m pretty sure they’re not all Russian hackers. So the quick answer to the mystery of my website apparently being attacked by nefarious IP addresses listed in the U.S. report is that the Russians, along with many thousands of others, just happened to use the Tor IP addresses that my regular readers used (and still use).

Tor is a decentralized network of servers, called nodes, that help people bypass internet censorship, evade internet surveillance, and access websites anonymously. Today, there are over 7000 nodes in the Tor network (about 1000 of those are “exit nodes”), distributed geographically around the world, and run by volunteers (I run a few myself). Tor Browser is a web browser, like Chrome or Firefox, but all of its internet traffic goes over the Tor network. If you type in the URL https://www.fbi.gov in your normal web browser, the IP address of your current internet connection will end up in the FBI’s web server logs. But if you type that URL into Tor Browser, an encrypted copy of your web request will bounce around the world through multiple Tor nodes before finally exiting the Tor network, and the IP address of a Tor exit node will end up in the FBI’s logs, rather than the network you’re currently connected to.

Since nearly half of the IP addresses in the Grizzly Steppe report are actually just Tor exit nodes, this means that anyone in the world — not just Russian hackers — can use the internet from those IP addresses. In fact, if you open Tor Browser and visit a website right now, there’s a pretty decent chance that you’ll be using the internet from one of those suspicious IP addresses.

It’s plausible that Russian hackers use Tor to hide their real IP addresses when they do attacks, and this is likely why these IP addresses ended up in the Grizzly Steppe report. But finding these IPs in your web server logs (like I did for my website) does not mean that the Russians are attacking you. Tor has over 1.5 million daily users around the world — about a third of a million of them are in the United States. If you see a Tor IP address in your logs, you know that a Tor user visited your website, and that’s it.

In other words, if you’re a network administrator and you discover one of the suspicious IP addresses used by Russian hackers on your network, it likely doesn’t mean anything at all. It certainly isn’t proof that the same elite Russian hackers who compromised the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta’s email are also targeting your company. (For example, Russian hackers did not penetrate the U.S. electricity grid through a utility company in Vermont, even though a company laptop made a connection to an IP address in the Grizzly Steppe report.)

But before I figured all of this out, I really wanted to know what the Russians were (apparently) doing on my blog. After digging, I discovered this in my logs:

93.115.95.202 - - [09/Mar/2016:16:19:07 -0500] "GET /files/tmp/fingerprints.txt.asc HTTP/1.1" 200 13141 "-" "PycURL/7.21.5 libcurl/7.47.0 GnuTLS/3.4.9 zlib/1.2.8 libidn/1.32 libssh2/1.5.0 nghttp2/1.8.0 librtmp/2.3"

The first part of this log is an IP address, “93.115.95.202,” followed by the date that the request was made, March 9, 2016, followed by the URL that was being requested, in this case https://micahflee.com/files/tmp/fingerprints.txt.asc, and finally followed by a complicated user agent string that isn’t important right now. I knew exactly what that web request was because I’m the one who made it, using Tor. I put that file, “fingerprints.txt.asc,” on my web server, to help me test out a piece of software I was developing. No one else could have made that web request, because no one else knew that temporary URL.

It turns out, when I downloaded that file from my own website while using Tor, I came from the IP address “93.115.95.202.” But, according to the Grizzly Steppe report, if I find this IP address in my logs, that’s evidence that I’m a target for Russian cyber attacks. Does this mean that I’m an elite Russian hacker and I just didn’t realize it?

I set out to figure out exactly how many of the suspicious IP addresses listed in the Grizzly Steppe report actually just belong to Tor exit nodes. All Tor nodes that make up the Tor network are completely public. You can visit this page to see a list of the current Tor exit node IP addresses. But since the Tor network is run by volunteers, the list of nodes constantly changes — people running old nodes decide to shut them down, and other people start up new nodes. So I used the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine to download each historical list of Tor exit nodes available, beginning in September 2014.

I found a total of 7,854 IPs that were, in recent years, Tor exit nodes, and I compared it to the list of 876 IPs that were published with the Grizzly Steppe report. I found 367 IP addresses in common — in other words, at least 367 of the suspicious IP addresses are, or were, Tor exit nodes. And after this story was posted, I was alerted to an even better data set, assembled by the Tor Project’s CollecTor, that showed more Tor nodes: it turns out that 426 of the IP addresses in the Grizzly Steppe report are historical Tor nodes, so it’s actually 49% rather than 42%.

It’s plausible, and in my opinion likely, that hackers under orders from the Russian government were responsible for the DNC and Podesta hacks in order to influence the U.S. election in favor of Donald Trump. But the Grizzly Steppe report fails to adequately back up this claim. My research, for example, shows that much of the evidence presented is evidence of nothing at all.

If Vladimir Putin, the Russian leader, is truly responsible for manipulating the U.S. election, and if the Obama administration wishes to prove its case, it needs to publish actual smoking-gun proof, such as intercepted emails or phone calls from within the Kremlin, or more complete technical details that connect dots directly to the Russian government, rather than to a Tor node that thousands of people use.

Of course it’s unlikely the Obama administration will do this. But if you have access to any of this evidence, please share it with us using SecureDrop.

Update: January 5, 2017

This piece was updated with new information from CollecTor on the number of Tor nodes in the Grizzly Steppe report.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/...og-they-arent/

So thanks to the outgoing US government and it's pet "Intelligence" agencies for a lesson in propaganda, misinformation and just plain amateurism.

And Obummer, after your diplomatic coup' in the UN with respect to IsraeHell, you have squandered that and then some, you lightweight nonce. I'm sure you'll be paid well for your speaking engagements, why don't you even accept a few non-executive board memberships on warfare companies? Because you are lost to me now. Liar, Hypocrite.

**Humbert** · 10-01-2017, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

And Obummer, after your diplomatic coup' in the UN with respect to IsraeHell, you have squandered that and then some, you lightweight nonce. I'm sure you'll be paid well for your speaking engagements, why don't you even accept a few non-executive board memberships on warfare companies? Because you are lost to me now.

Oh gawwd what a calamity. He lost another Aussie's support (or is it Brit this week?). We may never recover.

**sabang** · 10-01-2017, 01:34 PM

I'm afraid his legacy is that of a well meaning but weak and ineffectual President. But he's going out in a fit of childish petulance that only harms his and the Dems legacy. Recover- surely they will. Did the GOP recover from the disastrous Bush administration? They only had to wait for the Dems to stuff up, and ultimately lie to and betray their own core constituency. Or do you think it was the teabaggers?.

**Dragonfly** · 10-01-2017, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by wasabi

Exactly Earl it's an inside job, wouldn't be the first Watergate.

Yes , and the NSA has the very best hacking and surveillance capabilities of anyone.
The NSA data gathering capacity is absolutely flabergasting!

What's the Storage Capacity of an NSA Data Center? - Yottabytes: Storage and Disaster Recovery

how many wants to bet that Obama and the NSA have been taping Trump phones for the last 6 months since he made himself a target to fight Obama

**Dragonfly** · 10-01-2017, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

I'm afraid his legacy is that of a well meaning but weak and ineffectual President.

quite sad ending, loved that guy and had a lot of hope for him. Complete disappointment. Even his Obamacare signature legislation is starting to crack. Well at least he got one thing right, he was the first black President to be elected

**Mr Earl** · 10-01-2017, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Well at least he got one thing right, he was the first black President to be elected

Well technically being mulatto, he didn't get that right either.

And he certainly hasn't been much help to the black communities.

Chicago is in the worst shape it has ever been!

**Dragonfly** · 10-01-2017, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

And he certainly hasn't been much help to the black communities.

he didn't, even when cops were target shooting them, he would just stand there watching

a bit of a fraud at the end, he could have done so much and he did nothing

no wonder they are all voting for Trump

**Humbert** · 10-01-2017, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

no wonder they are all voting for Trump

Earth to Butters, the election was two months ago.

**OhOh** · 11-01-2017, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

I have to wonder what the true agenda is here

Redirection. Keep the sheeple on the "which commie HACKED (inset a good visual of a "moderate terrorist" here)" storyline. Ignore the content of what was hacked and forget the illegal actions of so many.

After all it's "USA.USA, EVERYDAY"

**Humbert** · 11-01-2017, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Redirection. Keep the sheeple on the "which commie HACKED (inset a good visual of a "moderate terrorist" here)" storyline. Ignore the content of what was hacked and forget the illegal actions of so many.

No question your interests and our American interests do not coincide. But it's always good to hear the opinions of our Russian 'friends'.

**OhOh** · 11-01-2017, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

No question your interests and our American interests do not coincide

Surely the western model is to applaud whistle blowers rather than to slaughter them, metaphorically and literally. You know, "Drain the Swamp" type proposal, as one possible POTUSE continually pollutes the airways with.

Or are you suggesting this swamp draining is of the omeba organisms as opposed to the apex predator.

**birding** · 11-01-2017, 12:34 PM

WASHINGTON—Leading U.S. senators from both parties proposed new sanctions against Russia that would markedly increase Moscow’s economic isolation and could limit President-elect Donald Trump’s ability to improve ties with the Kremlin.
Tuesday’s proposed legislation would set in stone many of the sanctions the Obama administration levied against Russia after revelations of election-related cyberhacking, and significantly broaden the restrictions against companies seeking to invest in Russia’s energy sector and the state-run corporations that dominate the country’s economy.

The sanctions, which U.S. officials acknowledge could lead to retaliation by the Kremlin, also would directly target U.S. and foreign banks that help Russia sell sovereign debt, a restriction the Obama administration had previously preferred to assert more informally, through conversations with Wall Street executives.
“We have been attacked by Russia. That’s no longer up to any debate,” said Sen. Ben Cardin (D., Md.), one of the sponsors of the bill. “It cannot be business as usual.”

The measure, called the “Countering Russian Hostilities Act of 2017,” has been spearheaded as well by Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and John McCain of Arizona, Republicans who have differed sharply with Mr. Trump’s skepticism over U.S. intelligence agencies’ finding that the Kremlin was behind last year’s cyberhacking of the Democratic National Committee, Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and some Republican-affiliated targets.

Other Republican co-sponsors include Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida, Rob Portman of Ohio and Ben Sasse of Nebraska. The bill so far has bipartisan support among 10 U.S. senators, its backers say.

While any bill introduced by the senators could be scaled back in committee or in the broader Senate or House, Congress in recent years has been willing to take the lead in punishing Russia, even when the Obama administration has urged a more targeted approach.

The measure would provide the White House with the ability to waive the sanctions, but it would have to certify that Russia’s international behavior has improved. “The waiver is not to be used unless progress is made,” Mr. Cardin said.

Responding to the election-year hacking, the proposed legislation would impose visa bans and asset freezes on foreigners tied to cybersecurity breaches, ban transactions with key Russian intelligence agencies and codify in law President Barack Obama’s recent executive order on cybersecurity.

The bill also would take in the sanctions on Russia,Mr. Obama imposed after Moscow’s interference in Ukraine and its move to annex Crimea. It could thus hamstring Russian President Vladimir Putin’s efforts to lobby the Trump administration and European leaders to end those sanctions, a step Mr. Trump hasn’t ruled out.

Moscow’s reaction was dismissive. “Every day I read the news from Washington,” said Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova. “God created the world in seven days. The Obama administration has two days more than that to destroy it.”

Sanctions brought by the U.S. executive branch can be more easily removed as Washington’s relations with other countries improve. But it can take years or decades to roll back punitive laws passed by Congress, such as those that still apply to Cuba and Iran.

It wasn’t clear Tuesday whether the bill is likely to win congressional approval in time for Mr. Obama to sign it, or wait for the start of the Trump administration. Either way, if passed it stands to exert pressure on Mr. Trump’s stance on ties with Mr. Putin.

“None of us know the position of the president-elect, but we do know and should know the position of the Congress,” Mr. McCain said.
Mr. Graham said he was confident the bill would get overwhelming support, but allies of Mr. Trump could seek to block it. Mr. Trump’s transition team didn’t respond to a request for comment.

A decision to sign or veto the measure could place Mr. Trump in an awkward position, but having fresh sanctions in place also would strain ties with Russia.
Mr. Putin refrained from retaliating after Mr. Obama in December imposed the new round of cybersecurity-related sanctions and expelled dozens of alleged Russian intelligence operatives from the U.S. Mr. Putin’s restraint won plaudits from Mr. Trump.

Despite Mr. Putin’s reaction last month, the strict new measures, if enacted, could lead to retaliation from Moscow. After U.S. enactment of the 2012 Magnitsky Act, Moscow banned U.S. adoptions of Russian children and took other measures that soured ties and helped end Mr. Obama’s efforts to “reset” relations with Moscow.

“To criticize and try to isolate Russia is a crazy idea,” said Andranik Migranyan, an top Russian academic at Moscow State University. “Russia has the luxury at the moment to see what Trump will try to do.”

The proposed legislation would take the Ukraine-related sanctions even further by ordering sanctions on investments of $20 million or more that help Russia develop its oil and natural-gas reserves. Most significantly, it would impose mandatory sanctions on U.S. and other companies that help Russia privatize state-owned assets.

Stung by the earlier sanctions, Russia has recently reached out to major international firms to offer stakes in state-run companies in exchange for increasingly precious foreign currency to pay debt. The recent gain in energy prices has alleviated some of Moscow’s near-term financial problems, but the sanctions still take a toll on the economy and the investment climate.

The proposed legislation would establish a unit at the U.S. Treasury Department to track allegedly illicit financial flows emanating from Russia and support programs to counteract Russia’s state-led media, which U.S. intelligence services say was used in the 2016 election in the U.S. and in other countries.

The sanctions legislation could face significant opposition from U.S. energy companies that do business in Russia, including Exxon Mobil Corp., whose former chief executive is Mr. Trump’s pick for secretary of state.

The bill could put immediate pressure on the incoming Trump administration to take a tougher stance on Russia, since broad skepticism of Moscow on Capitol Hill means lawmakers would have a shot at overriding a presidential veto.

Write to Jay Solomon at jay.solomon@wsj.com and William Mauldin at william.mauldin@wsj.com

Senators Propose New Sanctions on Russia - WSJ

**sabang** · 11-01-2017, 02:49 PM

They are trying to cripple Trump, before he is even sworn in. So I hope he is the arsehole I always thought he was, and gives them a big "FERK OFF".

His enemies are causing me to like him more every day.

**Dragonfly** · 11-01-2017, 03:04 PM

absolutely nuts, those Replicans and Demos are completely out of it

maybe they should take their pills

**Dragonfly** · 11-01-2017, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

His enemies are causing me to like him more every day

he is going to make a great POTUS, and nuke the whole DC cosy consensus

Think of him as Underwood on steroids

**harrybarracuda** · 11-01-2017, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Those silly Russians leaving their ip address behind, date stamp and idiots too, for using a cyrilic keyboard! Oh, not to mention last year's malware!

problem is that you can't get evidence of a real hack

Well you can't Buttplug because you're fucking useless.

But it's impossible to hide every track of a hack, and one can narrow down the actor quite precisely if one knows how to look and what to look for.

Assange is like you, he's the sort of idiot that will say he didn't get anything from Russia because it came from a Belgian email account.

As I said, all of the forensic evidence is out there, but you're too fucking thick to understand it.

**harrybarracuda** · 11-01-2017, 10:40 PM

Fuck me even Tillerson admits that he thinks it's Putin and Russia, and he hasn't even been cleared yet.

**Dragonfly** · 12-01-2017, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But it's impossible to hide every track of a hack, and one can narrow down the actor quite precisely if one knows how to look and what to look for.

you are obviously out of your league here

**birding** · 12-01-2017, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

absolutely nuts, those Replicans and Demos are completely out of it

maybe they should take their pills

I note that one of those supporting that piece of garbage is none other than M Rubio who was beaten by Trump in the primaries.

Would think that now the Reps have a president in the white house and majorities in the house and senate they would be getting together and taking advantage of the opportunity to coordinate their policies and to push them through (presuming they have any) without opposition. But no they have to attempt to undermine Trump and at the same time continue making an enemy of Russia.

The day will come in the not to distant future when the US is on the receiving end of sanctions.

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