Thread: British Plan for Immigration Curbs Prompts Clash With Business

Britain’s ruling Conservative party was once seen as the party of business, but Tory government ministers and business leaders are now clashing over post-Brexit immigration curbs outlined in a series of hard-line speeches at the party's annual conference this week in Birmingham.

Prime Minister Theresa May and her ministers stressed repeatedly in speeches that they won’t compromise on migration controls in order to secure a free trade deal with the European Union, the world's largest trading bloc.

That is alarming business people and investors, who fear the economic consequences of a so-called “hard Brexit,” a departure from the European Union that would see Britain outside Europe’s single market and its exports to the continent facing high, and competitive-blunting, tariffs. May’s position is that economic losses are a price worth paying for immigration controls on Europeans and non-Europeans alike.

Business leaders also are upset about government plans for an immediate, highly restrictive approach to immigration that would see curbs on employers hiring foreign workers, tightening tests on companies that want to recruit overseas and requiring firms to publish details of foreigners on their staffs in what is being seen as a “naming and shaming” exercise.

Keeping jobs for Britons

In a notably uncompromising speech Tuesday, Interior Minister Amber Rudd said, “The [visa] test should ensure people coming here are filling gaps in the labor market, not taking jobs British people could do.”

The tougher rules would apply to Europeans when Britain formally leaves the bloc after 46 years of membership, but will be put into effect soon for non-Europeans. Prime Minister May plans to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, the legal mechanism for leaving the European Union, by the end of March. This step would mean Britain will likely break with the European bloc no later than April 2019.

“Businesses will not welcome further restrictions on high-skilled migration from key trading partners around the world,” warned Josh Hardie, deputy director-general of the Confederation of British Industry.

Business leaders say Conservative ministers are pandering to economic populism by blaming firms for hiring foreigners to do jobs Britons could do, and they accuse the new crop of Tory leaders of shunning the legacy of the legendary Tory Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Her philosophy emphasized limited government, free markets and entrepreneurship. “Government had no business being in business,” she once said, arguing entrepreneurs should have the freedom to grow their companies without political interference.

Seamus Nevin of the Institute of Directors, a business lobby group, said in a statement, “The evidence is clear that migrants are a benefit to the economy.” He warned immigration would “be a major bone of contention between companies and this government.” European migrants in Britain are a net contributor to the national budget, say economists.

The anti-immigrant tone seamed a number of other ministerial speeches this week in Birmingham, the Midlands city where 10 percent of the population was born overseas. David Davis, the so-called Brexit minister tasked with overseeing Britain’s EU withdrawal, said British workers would be put first after the country leaves the European bloc.

Boosting education for Britons

Health Minister Jeremy Hunt announced plans to increase the number of Britons to train as doctors, reducing the need for non-British doctors. And the government has refused to commit to allowing foreign-born doctors already in Britain to stay, once enough native British recruits have completed medical training.

Universities will also be targeted in the government’s effort to reduce immigrant numbers to tens of thousands annually, as a large number of foreign students stays on after finishing their studies. From March 2015 to March 2016, Britain saw a near-record 327,000 migrants settling in the country.

Interior Minister Rudd plans to tighten visa rules for students from overseas with the quality of courses and educational institutions being taken into account.

Britain has already made visa regulations tougher for foreign students. University chancellors say more restrictions will make it harder for them to recruit international students. The number of international students last year dropped 15 percent. Universities UK, a higher education lobbying group, says non-EU students contribute $9 billion to the British economy, generating almost 137,000 jobs.

Government ministers are adamant they are responding to public concerns about high immigration. They say the Brexit referendum in June made clear the public wants to see a massive reduction in migrant numbers. Commentators argue the push to reduce immigration is part of May’s effort to attract working class Labor Party supporters, a large proportion of whom voted for Britain to leave the European Union.

On Tuesday, Guy Verhofstadt, who will represent the European Parliament in Brexit talks, warned Britain could not expect tariff-free access to the EU single market without accepting free movement for European migrants. Curbing free movement would mean “you destroy, in fact, the union and the internal market,” he said.

Ministers dismiss concerns about Brexit-related economic turbulence and point to an International Monetary Fund report this week that said economically, Britain is growing faster than any other nation in the Group of Seven leading industrialized countries. But the International Monetary Fund has reduced British growth projections for 2017 and the year after.

British Plan for Immigration Curbs Prompts Clash With Business

Originally Posted by pattayardm

He nailed that.

Agreed.

Indeed ,, the silly bastards who voted for this without thinking are soon going to see their pidgeons come home to roost

Absolute bollocks. He nailed nothing... disgusting streak of shit. Godwins Law, nothing more.

Only a true left-wing moron is fooled by this age-old debate-chilling far-left extremist propaganda technique.

This is yet another example of dog whistle propaganda trying to say that anyone who has a legitimate concern is essentially evil. That whole sentiment is what is evil, and all those who agree with it are no better. The vote saved the nation, and when the EU goes (even more) tits up, that decision will be vindicated.
The vote to leave would have been even higher had the Remainiacs not disgustingly used the murder of that MP by a mental case for political ends - the vote was heading for 60-40. People have been thinking about voting to leave for 20 years.

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Amazing the number of Krauts who were all surprised at the end of the war to learn that the nazis had, since 1933, slaughtered over 10 million assorted Jews, gypsies, communists, quakers, homosexuals and opponents to their ghastly regime.

You see, Nemo, the whole point of being a nazi cvunt like yourself and Shittyshittybangbang, is that you twats have no idea you are nazi cvunts. You see, back in 1938 you and your stormtrooper chums would have been marching with Oswald Mosley wearing your black shirts, exactly the same as the fat arsed thugs who carried Farage along last June. You nazi fascist little fuckers are always with us, like a fucking disease, it's just that you are too retarded to comprehend it.

Fucking 'ell, just how fucking stupid are these Brexit wankers?

They just want cheap labour is all.

Originally Posted by Conche

Indeed ,, the silly bastards who voted for this without thinking are soon going to see their pidgeons come home to roost

So, let us assume you are correct. What should be done ? I'll give you three years before you have to come up with an answer.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

They just want cheap labour is all.

Who does?

The failed legacy of empire comes back to bitecha on the backside, don't it....


Blowback.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

have been marching with Oswald Mosley wearing your black shirts,

I was friends with Moseley's personal secretary and he was a much nicer person than you. Never used bad language, always polite and a good word for everybody. He was never nasty to anybody. So, there !

You really need to get out more and meet people who can impart knowledge to you. Sitting in your condo in Pattaya is no way to stimulate a brain. You are living proof that this is so.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Amazing the number of Krauts who were all surprised at the end of the war to learn that the nazis had, since 1933, slaughtered over 10 million assorted Jews, gypsies, communists, quakers, homosexuals and opponents to their ghastly regime.

You see, Nemo, the whole point of being a nazi cvunt like yourself and Shittyshittybangbang, is that you twats have no idea you are nazi cvunts. You see, back in 1938 you and your stormtrooper chums would have been marching with Oswald Mosley wearing your black shirts, exactly the same as the fat arsed thugs who carried Farage along last June. You nazi fascist little fuckers are always with us, like a fucking disease, it's just that you are too retarded to comprehend it.

Fucking 'ell, just how fucking stupid are these Brexit wankers?

I don't know why we won the war, because according to you the Nazis are still here. Are you seeing Nazis from out there.

If you guys worked in an environment of manual Labour you would see that the brexit chaps are not Nazis that's ridiculous
There are greedy employers that pay east European and Indian /packistani employees silly money and put them up in slums
The average bricklayer joiner concrete finisher etc are getting the same wages now as 15 years ago
Apprenticeships are few and far between , there is no need to train someone for the same money
We have a concrete train on site that charges £6000 per hour when standing
The guys who run it get £10 per hour for a 14 hour day 7 days a week with no overtime rate
The greedy boss puts 2 or 3 to a room and not many can speak a word of English
Construction sites are dangerous so if you cannot speak the language how can you understand the changing environmental issues surrounding you.
A guy from Moldova lost the end of his index finger on Thursday he will be off work for 6 weeks, he has been sent home with no pay
Don't call working class people Nazis they are watching their livelihoods shrinking and conditions worsening.
There are 12 Brits left working for this company out of an initial workforce of 120+
They still have their initial contracts and are waiting to get payed off or retired
They hate their jobs now and are long term employees
I don't blame anyone coming to the UK to work .I have worked in different countries myself but regulatory systems must be in place so the average working man does not suffer.
Think about the big picture before you call people racists and Nazis

Liam Cunningham (born 2 June 1961) He is best known as Davos Seaworth in the HBO epic-fantasy series Game of Thrones. He has been nominated for the London Film Critics' Circle Award, the British Independent Film Award, has won two Irish Film & Television Awards, and shared a BAFTA with Michael Fassbender, for their crime-drama short film Pitch Black Heist

Tory Amber Rudd playing to the gallery. With a stroke of a Ministerial pen, the UK could halt migration from outside the EU from places like Pakistan and India. Do they do this? No. They obsess about Polish plumbers who by and large share same set of cultural norms as they do........Tory Ministers pandering to a distorted view that Britain can be great again if Johhny Foreigner is kept out.... and it’s crap.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Amazing the number of Krauts who were all surprised at the end of the war to learn that the nazis had, since 1933, slaughtered over 10 million assorted Jews, gypsies, communists, quakers, homosexuals and opponents to their ghastly regime.

You see, Nemo, the whole point of being a nazi cvunt like yourself and Shittyshittybangbang, is that you twats have no idea you are nazi cvunts. You see, back in 1938 you and your stormtrooper chums would have been marching with Oswald Mosley wearing your black shirts, exactly the same as the fat arsed thugs who carried Farage along last June. You nazi fascist little fuckers are always with us, like a fucking disease, it's just that you are too retarded to comprehend it.

Fucking 'ell, just how fucking stupid are these Brexit wankers?

You truely are a pseudo intellectual cock, aren't you? Then again, you're not alone on this forum!

I rather think your spelling error was in all likelihood not a typo which, frankly, tells us all we need to know about your worth.

It's being reported that schools in England have sent out a letter asking:
Is your child a British citizen?
Was your child born outside of the U.K.?

No idea if this is government or local authority doing this.

Originally Posted by KEVIN2008

Liam Cunningham (born 2 June 1961) He is best known as Davos Seaworth in the HBO epic-fantasy series Game of Thrones. He has been nominated for the London Film Critics' Circle Award, the British Independent Film Award, has won two Irish Film & Television Awards, and shared a BAFTA with Michael Fassbender, for their crime-drama short film Pitch Black Heist

These luvvies really are a bunch of worthless spanners.

UNHCR would be horrified if this idiot and the other chattering classes congregating in hampstead and elsewhere had their way.

But I can never get over their sentimentalism when it involves brown-eyed, cherub cheeked, fluffy, melt your heart, little orphan middle eastern children who make grown men and women on TV cry with all that emotion yet they seem to be quite silent on the Sudanese, Mali, Ugandan etc refugee problems and don't clamour for them to be shipped over by the hundreds of thousands to settle in fucking Limerick.

And what's wrong with all those poor sweet Somali kiddies left all alone as their daddy wages perennial war on his con's enemies.


It's that bambi effect, I suppose but it really makes me puke.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

If you didn't want all these foreigners roaming the lands of Blighty you should have just lost the war. Then you could all be walking around in nice, freshly pressed black shirts singing Deutchland uber allis, not a foreigner (other than the master race) in sight and you would still be part of the (German) European Union.

I was born after the war ended, and if it had of turned out like this then life would be pretty normal and one would have taken it for granted that this is the way it is.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Originally Posted by KEVIN2008

Liam Cunningham (born 2 June 1961) He is best known as Davos Seaworth in the HBO epic-fantasy series Game of Thrones. He has been nominated for the London Film Critics' Circle Award, the British Independent Film Award, has won two Irish Film & Television Awards, and shared a BAFTA with Michael Fassbender, for their crime-drama short film Pitch Black Heist

These luvvies really are a bunch of worthless spanners.

UNHCR would be horrified if this idiot and the other chattering classes congregating in hampstead and elsewhere had their way.

But I can never get over their sentimentalism when it involves brown-eyed, cherub cheeked, fluffy, melt your heart, little orphan middle eastern children who make grown men and women on TV cry with all that emotion yet they seem to be quite silent on the Sudanese, Mali, Ugandan etc refugee problems and don't clamour for them to be shipped over by the hundreds of thousands to settle in fucking Limerick.

And what's wrong with all those poor sweet Somali kiddies left all alone as their daddy wages perennial war on his con's enemies.


It's that bambi effect, I suppose but it really makes me puke.

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C'est la vie

Originally Posted by jimbobs

If you guys worked in an environment of manual Labour you would see that the brexit chaps are not Nazis that's ridiculous
There are greedy employers that pay east European and Indian /packistani employees silly money and put them up in slums
The average bricklayer joiner concrete finisher etc are getting the same wages now as 15 years ago
Apprenticeships are few and far between , there is no need to train someone for the same money
We have a concrete train on site that charges £6000 per hour when standing
The guys who run it get £10 per hour for a 14 hour day 7 days a week with no overtime rate
The greedy boss puts 2 or 3 to a room and not many can speak a word of English
Construction sites are dangerous so if you cannot speak the language how can you understand the changing environmental issues surrounding you.
A guy from Moldova lost the end of his index finger on Thursday he will be off work for 6 weeks, he has been sent home with no pay
Don't call working class people Nazis they are watching their livelihoods shrinking and conditions worsening.
There are 12 Brits left working for this company out of an initial workforce of 120+
They still have their initial contracts and are waiting to get payed off or retired
They hate their jobs now and are long term employees
I don't blame anyone coming to the UK to work .I have worked in different countries myself but regulatory systems must be in place so the average working man does not suffer.
Think about the big picture before you call people racists and Nazis

Those puppy dog, eagar to please immigrants have put:
wages back 15 years.
Made overtime unheard of.
Workers rights back a hundred years, zero hours contracts ...
Craic at work ? forget it

Britains got so overcrowded people cannot even move around anymore -
as a young man I went to London -found digs and a job - you'd be competing with 4 immigrants for simple accomodation now .

A race to the bottom for the working man
+ only the very poorest paying for the government cutbacks called austerity

At least Brexit gives a glimmer of hope.

The pound dropping is great fun too- those immgrants can't send as much home now.

Very amusing. The real problem of course is, was, and always shall be, the 3 million unemployable, lumpen, indigenous British untermensch who have never worked meaningfully in their lives and the 1 million Brits who have never worked at all, ever, since leaving school.

British scum shall always be with us.

Still, irrespective of what the nazi brexiteers actually want, the 3 million immigrants from Europe will be remaining come what come may ( excuse the pun ) much to the joy of British manufacturers and industry generally..

Actually, the £ equalling the $US is really going to be quite fun when its effects percolate down to the unemployed trash and lower paid Brit spongeing off his benefits since those benefits will increasingly be unequal to the inevitable rising prices.

The truth is, industry simply does not want the 5 million or so British trash whose productivity, laziness and stupidity is renown around the world. Leaving the EU won't alter that - lazy Brit trash is lazy Brit trash.

har, har.