Thread: Muslim shopkeeper who wished Christian friends Happy Easter 'knifed by Islamic fanati

Doubly tragic, since it is these muslims who are willing to make these public gestures of friendship who will ultimately destroy islamic radicalism.

RIP Asad

Well said Loopy.

RIP Asad.

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Police confirmed they are treating the incident as “religiously prejudiced”.

Stunning conclusion to draw.

RIP lad

This story from only yesterday.

I hope Asad's death prompts the muslim community in Glasgow to take action and get this guy out of a preaching position at the mosque.


Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer

The religious leader at Scotland's biggest mosque has praised an extremist who was executed for committing murder in Pakistan, the BBC can reveal.



Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman of Glasgow Central Mosque used the messaging platform WhatsApp to show his support for Mumtaz Qadri.

Qadri was hanged in February after murdering a local politician who opposed strict blasphemy laws.

In a statement the imam said the messages had been taken out of context.
He said that he was expressing his opposition to capital punishment.

In messages seen by the BBC, Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman says that he is "disturbed" and "upset" at the news of Qadri's execution, before writing "rahmatullahi alai", a religious blessing usually given to devout Muslims and meaning may God's mercy be upon him.

In another, he says: "I cannot hide my pain today. A true Muslim was punished for doing which [sic] the collective will of the nation failed to carry out."

Maulana Habib Ur Rehman is the most senior imam at Glasgow Central Mosque, a role which involves leading prayers and giving religious guidance and teachings.

The BBC has confirmed with members of the group that the messages come from the imam.

Qadri was employed as a bodyguard for the governor of Punjab province in Pakistan, Salman Taseer, before turning on him in 2011 and shooting him 28 times.

After the shooting Qadri reportedly told journalists that he was "proud" and that he had killed a "blasphemer".

Analysis

BBC Religious Affairs Correspondent Caroline Wyatt

The support for Qadri expressed in the UK by some Muslims from a group within Islam that is generally regarded as moderate was unexpected.

Those supporting his actions came from within Sunni Islam, and a group known as Barelvis, who control just under 40% of mosques in the UK.

These Sufis are not generally connected with jihadist groups, and present themselves in Pakistan and elsewhere as defenders of a moderate, peaceful Islam.

However, on the day of Qadri's funeral, one of the co-directors of the Association of British Muslims, Paul Salahuddin-Armstrong, was so shocked by comments on social media in the UK praising the killer that he wrote a blog post.

"Horrified… I honestly don't know where to begin," he said.
He said he was also "appalled" to find a prominent mosque in Birmingham - the Ghamkol Sharif - had termed Qadri a "martyr" on its website.

The Barelvis' reverence for the Prophet Muhammad is one of great intensity, and goes back to the founder of their movement, Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi, in the 19th Century. So the issue of blasphemy is one that is likely to rouse strong emotions among Barelvi wherever they live.

Nonetheless, the public support for a convicted murderer by some of their religious leaders in the UK will worry some observers of Islam here.

Pakistan has some of the strictest blasphemy laws in the world, which can carry a potential death sentence for those judged to have insulted the majority religion of Islam.

Human rights campaigners and liberal politicians, including Taseer, have criticised the laws as draconian and believe that they are abused to target minority groups.

The laws do, however, have mainstream support in the country and an estimated crowd of more than 30,000 people attended Qadri's funeral earlier this month.

Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman told the BBC: "The assassination of Salman Taseer is widely condemned.

"Whether I agree or disagree with the views he expressed, as an Imam and as a human being I express abhorrence at the manner in which he was executed.

"The execution was not in accordance with Islamic teachings and principles."

Who was Qadri?



Image copyright Reuters Image caption Mumtaz Qadri said he was proud of what he had done

• Trained as an elite police commando and assigned as Salman Taseer's bodyguard
• Shot Salman Taseer 28 times at an Islamabad market in January 2011 and was sentenced to death later that year
• He claimed it was his religious duty to kill the minister
• Qadri was lauded by religious conservatives, and in his first court appearance was showered with rose petals by supporters. He never expressed any regret for the killing
• Hanged on 29 February 2016

How Punjab governor's killer became a hero
Lawyer Aamer Anwar has called for reform at Glasgow Central Mosque.
He told the BBC: "To describe a convicted terrorist as a true Muslim is grotesque.

"Let's be clear: Mumtaz Qadri was a terrorist. He was no national hero and he was no martyr.

"These views expressed are grotesque and whether done privately or publicly they should be condemned unequivocally.

"There's real concern within the community that if this is an imam expressing such views, then what is he expressing to our children."



Image copyright Getty Images Image caption Salman Taseer had angered some people in Pakistan by calling for reform of the country's blasphemy laws In further messages, the Imam refers to Qadri as "brother" and says that, by killing his employer whom he was paid to protect, he was "carrying out the collective responsibility of the ummat," or Muslims as a whole.
His execution, he says, "is a collective failure of Pakistani Muslims".

Imam Maulana Habib Ur Rehman is challenged by others in the group who question why he is speaking about a convicted murderer in such glowing terms.

One member argues that Qadri took the law into his own hands and that he should not be made a hero for doing so.

'Nazi' comparison

The Imam also likens Qadri's actions to those fighting Nazi occupation during World War Two.

"Just when France was occupied by Nazies [sic], French did all they had to in order to protect their nation," he writes.

"They were national heroes. Hanging Mumtaz Qadri has raised serious questions about Pakistan's independence."

To describe a convicted terrorist as a true Muslim is grotesqueAamer Anwar, Lawyer

And he links his execution to the issue of Pakistani nationhood.
"The issue is not of an individual. The issue is of national identity and Islamic spirit."

"The fact that the nation chose to settle the issue of Reymond Davis [sic] by forcing his relatives to accept the blood money, and sending Mumtaz bhai [brother] to gallows is a source of grief and immense pain."

Raymond Davis was a contractor with the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Pakistan.

In 2011, he was arrested and imprisoned in the city of Lahore after he was accused of shooting dead two men, triggering a diplomatic incident between the two countries.

He was released after the families of the two men were paid compensation of $2.3m, which many in the country considered to be "blood money".
The WhatsApp messages are the latest controversy at Glasgow Central Mosque, which is the largest place of worship of any religion in Scotland.
The mosque was plunged into turmoil last month when seven members of its executive committee resigned amid claims of intimidation by more conservative figures at the mosque.

The allegations were denied by those accused.

Management structure

The Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator (OSCR) is also investigating claims of financial irregularities at the charity which runs the mosque and what it has described as an "unusual" management structure.

Glasgow Central Mosque is governed by two sets of trustees - the executive committee who operate the charity and the property trustees who manage the mosque building.

OSCR's interim report into the mosque in January found the trustees, who are made up of more conservative figures at the mosque, had acted beyond their powers.



There is said to be a long-running contest at the mosque between more traditionalist figures and those, including the seven who resigned, who would like it to be more inclusive of women and non-Pakistani Muslims.

In January, The Herald reported that Glasgow Central Mosque had donated money to the orthodox group Tablighi Jamaat, which some argue promotes an extreme brand of Islam.

The group says that it rejects violence.

Mr Anwar said: "There needs to be diversity, there needs to be equality and they need to open it up.

"We're not living in Pakistan, we're living in Scotland, and we need to see the values and ideas of the people of Scotland [at the mosque]."
In a statement, the imam said: "Mumtaz Qadri's execution is condemned as it is not in accordance with due process nor is it in accordance with Islamic teachings and principles.

"The selective messages disclosed to you by an unauthorised third party have been misconstrued and taken out of context.

"Capital punishment on this particular occasion was inappropriate and any expressions of sympathy or compassion are extended in my capacity as a private individual and not in any professional or public capacity."
Glasgow Central Mosque did not respond to requests for comment.

Glasgow mosque leader praises extremist killer - BBC News

Employed as a bodyguard charged with protecting the safety of a man whom he determined to 'silence forever' by shooting him 28 times (28!). Yes, another true believer.

28 shots...did his trigger finger get stuck ? Couldn't he just slice the arterial and veinous vessels of the neck like a 'true believer' ?

Sounds as though the Glasgow Central Mosque has a major problem with the semantics of teaching the Islamic religion based on tolerance, righteous living and peace.
Surely Sharia law is being preached to the congregants. Good luck in your future, 'Glaswelians'.

It's Glasgow. Shit happens in Glasgow.

Originally Posted by Neverna

It's Glasgow. Shit happens in Glasgow.

Especially around Muslims.

Shit happens in Glasgow week-in, week-out. Drink and fitba.

Nicola Sturgen attended the silent vigil, the wrong one got stabbed, it should be her,nasty vile Scotty

In a statement, the imam said: "Mumtaz Qadri's execution is condemned as it is not in accordance with due process nor is it in accordance with Islamic teachings and principles.

There lies the problem, they should have cut off his head with a sword or stoned him to death then it would have been OK.

That seems to be their angle.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Shit happens in Glasgow week-in, week-out. Drink and fitba.

The thing I noticed right away whilst visiting Glasgow, It isn't a tourist spot.
Ya get your business done and get outa town, pronto!

Kinda like the wild west america....yeehaa!

Originally Posted by wasabi

Nicola Sturgen attended the silent vigil, the wrong one got stabbed, it should be her,nasty vile Scotty

Sometimes this place is just stupid...beyond...belief.

lovely religion
wonder is any of Britain's Muslim sportsmen are re-sending his message in support

‘Good Friday and a very happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation’. In his final post, he wrote:
‘Let’s follow the real footstep of beloved holy Jesus Christ (PBUH) and get the real success in both worlds xxxx.’

thought not

Originally Posted by Looper

Doubly tragic, since it is these muslims who are willing to make these public gestures of friendship who will ultimately destroy islamic radicalism.

RIP Asad

There is the problem, most Germans were not Nazis, most Japaneses were not fanatics, most blacks in the west are not drug dealers.
A few can control many, speak up about drugs, terror and died, so when a terrorist bangs on your door, tells you to keeps weapons, bombs, you do it.

This guy is dead, will the next Muslim shop keeper stand up, would you if you lived in an area where the rule of law is governed by the criminals.

Most people just want a good life, happy kids, free from fear, but it's not easy if the guys down the road will kill you, if you speak out.

If enough Muslims stand up and report the terrorist, there gone, same goes for drug dealers etc.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

If enough Muslims stand up and report the terrorist,

has even one come forward with info. the most wanted was living in Molanbeek and not one mussie came forward to grass on him.
its always the same. their lips are sealed.

For me the guy in Glasgow was kissing Christian arse.

Don't buy the sincerity with the guy.

Apparently he was an Ahmadi muslim, a member of an offshoot branch of Islam called the Ahmadiyya movement, that the Sunnis hate

Sounds like they got persecuted in Pakistan moved their headquarters to UK ,,,

^ oh great now we've got them.

Originally Posted by wasabi

Nicola Sturgen attended the silent vigil, the wrong one got stabbed, it should be her,nasty vile Scotty

The murderer in the story is using religion to hide his mental problems.

Wtf is your excuse?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

There is the problem, most Germans were not Nazis, most Japaneses were not fanatics, most blacks in the west are not drug dealers. A few can control many, speak up about drugs, terror and died, so when a terrorist bangs on your door, tells you to keeps weapons, bombs, you do it. This guy is dead, will the next Muslim shop keeper stand up, would you if you lived in an area where the rule of law is governed by the criminals. Most people just want a good life, happy kids, free from fear, but it's not easy if the guys down the road will kill you, if you speak out. If enough Muslims stand up and report the terrorist, there gone, same goes for drug dealers etc.

Very good post, James... agree 100%

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Employed as a bodyguard charged with protecting the safety of a man whom he determined to 'silence forever' by shooting him 28 times (28!). Yes, another true believer.

28 shots...did his trigger finger get stuck ? Couldn't he just slice the arterial and veinous vessels of the neck like a 'true believer' ?

Connected to today's suicide bombing OP.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Shit happens in Glasgow week-in, week-out. Drink and fitba.

Yep. he could have been walking down the street when someone asked:

"Hey, Asad do you support Ranger or Celtic?"

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This killing is even sadder considering that:

Ahmadiyya adherents believe that Ahmad appeared in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice, and peace. They believe that upon divine guidance he divested Islam of fanatical and innovative beliefs and practices by championing what is, in their view, Islam’s true and essential teachings as practised by Muhammad and the early Islamic community.[12] Thus, Ahmadis view themselves as leading the revival and peaceful propagation of Islam

Obviously not the mainstream view.

Fury over Facebook tributes praising taxi driver who knifed 'Happy Easter' shopkeeper

A DISTURBING Facebook page has been set up to heap praise on the taxi driver who confessed to stabbing a Glasgow shopkeeper to death in what police called a religiously motivated attack.

The tribute page, which gives Tanveer Ahmed "public figure" status, hails him a "warrior" and has gained more than 700 likes.

Mr Ahmed, who claims he knifed family man Asad Shah to death outside his shop in Shawlands, said he meted out the brutal assault because his victim pretended to be "a prophet".

One message on the "propaganda" page read: "When a person’s tounge (sic) becomes quiet and friendly then his heart becomes pious and clean."

Photos showing Mr Shah covered with a red cross received dozens of "likes".

Sickening images of alleged killer Mr Ahmed were accompanied by love heart emojis.

On the Facebook page, which has since been removed, the taxi driver is dubbed a "Ghazi" - a title given to Muslim warriors or champions.

The page was created a week after Mr Shah died on arrival at hospital on March 24.

Hours before his death he had wished Christians a happy Easter on a Facebook.

Asad Shah was an Amhadiyya Muslim - a group known for its non-violence and interfaith concerns.

Ahmadiyya Muslims are considered heretics by some followers of Islam, and are banned from calling themselves Muslims in Pakistan.

It had been feared he was murdered because he practiced that particular strand of Islam.

Ahmad Karim, owner of the Ahmadiyya muslim site ahmedi.org, said while the Facebook page was still live: "This page should be removed. Believe me, he (Tanveer Ahmed) will become a celebrity.

"People are saying he has done good work, he had done a good deed and he has saved the integrity of the Prophet Muhammad.

"They treat him with respect. They do this propaganda and they want to encourage other people."

Abdul Abid, president of the Ahmadiyya community in Scotland, also blasted the Facebook page and said: "That should be treated as a violation of law and order rules and if they preach hate and they enlarge the circle of hate then there should be some step taken."

Ahmed did not enter a plea when he appeared in court charged with murder on Wednesday.

But in a statement read out by his lawyer he said: "Asad Shah disrespected the messenger of Islam the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Mr Shah claimed to be a prophet."

It continues: "It is mentioned in the Quran that there is no doubt in this book no one has the right to disrespect the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and no one has the right to disrespect the Prophet of Islam Muhammad Peace be upon him.

"If I had not done this others would and there would have been more killing and violence in the world.

The Muslim Council of Scotland said it is "deeply concerned" by Ahmed’s statement.

The council has asked imams across Scotland to use their sermons today as a reminder of holding respect for all, regardless of belief.

Fury over Facebook tributes praising taxi driver who knifed 'Happy Easter' shopkeeper