Thread: Malaysian Airliner shot down over Ukraine

Originally Posted by zygote1

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by zygote1

And dear old Obama who will soon go off into the sunset to collect his speaking fees, will have left the legacy of not showing decisive leadership when it was most needed.

And what exactly do you think he should do? Start a war with Russia?

Here was how it's done, courtesy of Ronald Reagan, President of the USA.
It was to the point and succinct. I suggest you give it a watch. Obama could have added his usual restrained sober thoughts, but he didn't say much.



I not a Republican, nor am I a US national and it pains me to praise someone from a party I usually loathe. There was enough evidence for President Obama to do similar.

Are you serious? You think Russia gave a monkey's flying fuck about some senile B-actor reading lines off an autocue?

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Your are correct, but Russians know this, and no doubt the Russians who actually pulled the trigger, will be whisked away to a Gulag camp.
They will disappear from the Radar.

Originally Posted by koman

I never posted the fucking Regan video in the first place.

My apology, since you jumped into the conversation straight after I assumed it was in response to that post. I now accept that you in fact did not post the irrelevant Ronnie video, and shall cover myself in sackcloth and ashes and wail and gnash my teeth.

I still want to know how a pensioner bleating on TV brought down the iron curtain.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

shall cover myself in sackcloth and ashes and wail and gnash my teeth.

We will need a video of that; if you please.........

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I still want to know how a pensioner bleating on TV brought down the iron curtain.

I can't believe that this is a serious question. Nobody that I can see has suggested that Regan alone brought down the iron curtain, but he did, along with a number of other notable leaders of the day, oversee it's demise and final death throes. He, being the president of Gods appointed super power... played a prominent leadership role...that's all. Were you incommunicado back in those days or what?...

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

shall cover myself in sackcloth and ashes and wail and gnash my teeth.

We will need a video of that; if you please.........

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I still want to know how a pensioner bleating on TV brought down the iron curtain.

I can't believe that this is a serious question. Nobody that I can see has suggested that Regan alone brought down the iron curtain, but he did, along with a number of other notable leaders of the day, oversee it's demise and final death throes. He, being the president of Gods appointed super power... played a prominent leadership role...that's all. Were you incommunicado back in those days or what?...

Rubbish, he was a talking head, even Nancy had to whisper his lines in his ear.

Now going back to my original question which still has not been answered: What would you rather Obama (and/or his military and advisors) actually do?

Send troops into Ukraine to kick out the Russians? Bomb the separatists?

Or stick to speeches where he calls them naughty boys and threatens to take away their toys?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Send troops into Ukraine to kick out the Russians? Bomb the separatists?

Already there and already bombing. Unfortunately not an ounce of Russian flesh has been found rotting on the ground since the start of yet another illegal war.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Send troops into Ukraine to kick out the Russians? Bomb the separatists?

Already there and already bombing. Unfortunately not an ounce of Russian flesh has been found rotting on the ground since the start of yet another illegal war.

That's complete rubbish.

They might be arming the Ukranians but that's no more than Putin is doing to the separatists, and there is no doubt Russian troops have been there as well.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Send troops into Ukraine to kick out the Russians? Bomb the separatists?

Already there and already bombing. Unfortunately not an ounce of Russian flesh has been found rotting on the ground since the start of yet another illegal war.

That's complete rubbish.

They might be arming the Ukranians but that's no more than Putin is doing to the separatists, and there is no doubt Russian troops have been there as well.

I wouldn't bother responding to this lemming. He is an official Russian/ISIS propagandist.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Send troops into Ukraine to kick out the Russians? Bomb the separatists?

Already there and already bombing. Unfortunately not an ounce of Russian flesh has been found rotting on the ground since the start of yet another illegal war.

That's complete rubbish.

They might be arming the Ukranians but that's no more than Putin is doing to the separatists, and there is no doubt Russian troops have been there as well.

I wouldn't bother responding to this lemming. He is an official Russian/ISIS propagandist.

I know, but people with confirmation bias have to read it so they can get indignant.

^,^^^

Thanks Harry.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That's complete rubbish. They might be arming the Ukranians but that's no more than Putin is doing to the separatists, and there is no doubt Russian troops have been there as well.

You have "evidence" of the Russian arms supply?
You have "evidence" that Russian troops are actively involved within Ukraine?

Originally Posted by OhOh

^,^^^

Thanks Harry.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That's complete rubbish. They might be arming the Ukranians but that's no more than Putin is doing to the separatists, and there is no doubt Russian troops have been there as well.

You have "evidence" of the Russian arms supply?
You have "evidence" that Russian troops are actively involved within Ukraine?

Of course.

BBC News - Captured Russian troops 'in Ukraine by accident'

But you probably believe Russia's story that they were there "accidentally".

And these Russian APC's "accidentally" drove into Ukraine.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But you probably believe Russia's story that they were there "accidentally".

Not at all mate, you think I'm an idiot?

As I have already posted. They were on holiday, traveling to their new time share beach front villa in Mariupol. They bought it on the internet from Mariupol Time Share. A recently formed Crimean company specalising in up and coming adventure holidays. Their wives were allowed to continue and are appearing in a revue bar as comedians.

According to Mariupol Time Share, there is a property boom this year

A review by Germany's foreign intelligence agency has found that MH17 was brought down by a missile fired by separatists. Russia and Ukraine have blamed each other for the plane's downing.

A detailed analysis conducted by Germany's federal intelligence service (BND) concluded that separatists near Donetsk were responsible for bringing down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, the news magazine Spiegel reported on Sunday.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17 while on route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. All 298 passengers on board were killed, most of them Dutch nationals.

BND President Gerhard Schindler presented the agency's findings, including satellite images and diverse photo evidence, to members of the parliamentary control committee responsible for monitoring the work of German intelligence on October 8.

According to Spiegel, the BND has intelligence suggesting that pro-Russian separatists captured a BUK air-defense missile system at a Ukrainian military base, and fired a missile on July 17 that exploded in the vicinity of the Malaysian aircraft.

International leaders and Ukraine's government have accused the separatists of firing at the commercial airliner with weapons supplied by Russia. Moscow has blamed Ukraine's military.

"It was pro-Russian separatists," Spiegel quoted Schindler as saying. According to the magazine, he also told the panel that the BND's review had come up with unambiguous findings - for example, that claims from Russia that the missile had been fired by Ukrainian soldiers and that a fighter jet had been flying close to the Malaysian airliner were false.

A spokesman for the German Federal Prosecutor's Office in Karlsruhe told Spiegel that an investigation has been opened into unknown perpetrators because of the possibility that the downing constituted a war crime.

In September, a preliminary report by a Dutch investigative commission analyzed satellite and radar information, as well as the flight's black boxes. It concluded that the aircraft had likely been hit "by a large number of high-energy objects," but did not assign blame. A full report is expected in mid-2015.

nm/mkg (AFP, Reuters, dpa)

Oh my. Looks like out the former East Germany's doyenne of the elites may have a bit of a problem on her hands. Perhaps a quick call to her friends in the former stasi will help her muddle through.

Originally Posted by koman

According to Spiegel, the BND has intelligence suggesting that pro-Russian separatists

Well, if Gulf War II can start with "positive proof of weapons of mass destruction", suggestions that the BND has Intelligence is enough for me.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by koman

According to Spiegel, the BND has intelligence suggesting that pro-Russian separatists

Well, if Gulf War II can start with "positive proof of weapons of mass destruction", suggestions that the BND has Intelligence is enough for me.

It's OK OhOh....we all understand that you really can only believe RT and Pravda....both being so well known for truth and unfailing accuracy.........well other that that English broadcast station in Teheran of course.....

^Have you seen the evidence produced by the German Spy Agency? Are you convinced by the said evidence that the separatists are to blame? Did you believe Colin Powells evidence, shown to the world and used as a reason to start a war, at the UN many years ago?

Originally Posted by OhOh

^Have you seen the evidence produced by the German Spy Agency? Are you convinced by the said evidence that the separatists are to blame? Did you believe Colin Powells evidence, shown to the world and used as a reason to start a war, at the UN many years ago?

No, the BND does not send me copies of their files as a rule.

I was just posting a news report that they claimed to have evidence? Do you get files from the Russian intelligence people, or any of your other favorite sources?..

No doubt, if the very same BND said they had solid evidence that the plane was shot down by a CIA sponsored Ukrainian fighter while the lily white Russians were busy distributing powdered milk and Tampax...you would be posting it in brightly coloured oversized fonts, and the story would be irrefutable.... That's the kind of thing you WANT to believe so it would have to be true........

In the meantime, I'm happy to wait for the full report sometime next year...which you won't believe either; unless it fits in with your own pre-judged version of events.

Originally Posted by OhOh

So you report a "news story" but do not accept the printed evidence from them, why bother. If you have accepted that any new "evidence" will not be produced for at least a year, if ever, why post?

I have, from page five, suggested we await the evidence. So far I have seen no credible evidence from the crusader coalition except blurred images from google earth/digiglobe. The crusader coaliton from hours after the crash have told anyone who would listen that they new who did it - the Russians. Either directly or through their proxies, separatists. They have yet to prove anything.

Weren't you the one denying that there were every Russians in Ukraine?

You are pitifully gullible.

Originally Posted by OhOh

So you report a "news story" but do not accept the printed evidence from them, why bother. If you have accepted that any new "evidence" will not be produced for at least a year, if ever, why post?

This thread is in World News...?? What do you expect people to post in a news thread???

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Weren't you the one denying that there were every Russians in Ukraine? You are pitifully gullible.

You have credible evidence of Russian military involvement in Ukrainian sovereign territory other than 4 or 5 bewildered soldiers on there way to their new holiday home in Russia?

Originally Posted by koman

This thread is in World News...?? What do you expect people to post in a news thread???

When one posts onto a thread one usually puts some opinion of the "news" one posts. You obviously just post without realising the inadequacy of your posts or the infantile sheeps guaranteed reactions to them.

But carry on, point the way to the cliff edge, jump off and the lemmings will follow you.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Weren't you the one denying that there were every Russians in Ukraine? You are pitifully gullible.

You have credible evidence of Russian military involvement in Ukrainian sovereign territory other than 4 or 5 bewildered soldiers on there way to their new holiday home in Russia?

"Their new holiday home"?

In a fucking APC?

You moron.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In a fucking APC?

Plenty of room for the holiday clothes and shoes for the "ladies".