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chinthee · 06-09-2008, 02:41 PM

^Speaking of the war hero bit, and the abuse McCain says he suffered at the hands of his VC captors, Aljazeera is airing an expose where they went to Hanoi and interviewed the former head of his prison camp. It was interesting, of course the guy denied any abuse, and said the reason McCain can't raise his arms is he broke them in the fall from ejecting from the plane. He also says he wishes McCain luck. Evidently, there is a shrine erected where he fell into the lake, and also at the Hanoi Hilton, because of the fame of McCain now.

Boon Mee · 06-09-2008, 08:35 PM

In keeping with the theme of why BO will lose, the subject of his vast experience keeps raising it's little head. Like WTF is a 'community organizer' anyhow?

"What deserves ridicule is the notion that Barack Obama’s brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan non-profits qualifies as executive experience you can believe in.

What deserves derision is “community organizing” that relies of a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people and shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon."

Michelle Malkin » Explaining the “community organizer” joke to the outraged Left

No shit...

Boon Mee · 07-09-2008, 10:02 PM

And playing the Race Card again? heh...

"I know that I’m not your typical presidential candidate," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told executives and employees of the Schott glass company Friday afternoon, "and I just want to be honest with you. I know that." "And I know that the temptation is to say, 'You know what? …The guy hasn’t been there that long in Washington.,' You know, 'he’s got funny name,' You know, 'we’re not sure about him,'"

Political Punch

thegent · 08-09-2008, 10:57 PM

Voting generally resolves to sentiment and this election is no different. Electing a geriatric because he fell out of an aeroplane always struck me as a long shot and I suspect when the moment comes most intelligent voters will plump for BO not least because he can still get an erection and his voice doesn't sound like a quavery old fart's.

Bugs · 09-09-2008, 01:23 AM

Slip-ups like this one sure ain't going to help his cause:

Obama said:

Quote:

My Muslim faith

Washington Times - Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics

Quote:

ST. LOUIS, Mo. Sen Barack Obama's foes seized Sunday upon a brief slip of the tongue, when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said, "my Muslim faith."

The three words -- immediately corrected -- were during an exchange with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," when he was trying to criticize the quiet smear campaign suggesting he is a Muslim.

But illustrating the difficulty of preventing false rumors about his faith from spreading, anti-Obama groups within one hour of the interview had sliced it out of context and were sending it around via email. They also were blogging about it.

Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service, said he finds it "deeply offensive" that there are efforts "coming out of the Republican camp to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith."

AntRobertson · 09-09-2008, 02:09 AM

Quote:

But illustrating the difficulty of preventing false rumors about his faith from spreading, anti-Obama groups within one hour of the interview had sliced it out of context and were sending it around via email. They also were blogging about it.

And I don't even have to look to know that Boon Mee et al were slavishly repeating (regurgitating) the same on here.

Actually, probably the very same posters that were crying about Palin's 'character assasination'.

Texpat · 09-09-2008, 02:51 AM

I don't care if he's a Muslim.

I do care if he's a liar.

Boon Mee · 09-09-2008, 03:02 AM

Let's do a little Compare & Contrast shall we?

Boon Mee · 09-09-2008, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugs

Slip-ups like this one sure ain't going to help his cause:

Obama said:

Quote:

My Muslim faith

Washington Times - Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics

Quote:

ST. LOUIS, Mo. Sen Barack Obama's foes seized Sunday upon a brief slip of the tongue, when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said, "my Muslim faith."

The three words -- immediately corrected -- were during an exchange with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," when he was trying to criticize the quiet smear campaign suggesting he is a Muslim.

But illustrating the difficulty of preventing false rumors about his faith from spreading, anti-Obama groups within one hour of the interview had sliced it out of context and were sending it around via email. They also were blogging about it.

Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service, said he finds it "deeply offensive" that there are efforts "coming out of the Republican camp to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith."

He's simply a Gaffe Machine...

In stunning slip on national TV, Obama refers to "my muslim faith" By Israel Insider staff September 7, 2008
"In one of the most astonishing gaffes in American political history, in a national televised interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulus, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Hussein Obama referred to "my muslim faith," confirming what researchers and political opponents have been claiming."

"While Stephanopoulus several seconds later tried to correct him, saying "Christian faith," it was too late. The damage was done. Obama clearly did not mean his Christian faith, since he was admitting that "John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith." The term "Christian faith" would not make sense in that context."

israelinsider: politics: In stunning slip on national TV, Obama refers to "my muslim faith"

It might have been a 'slip-up' but it does add fuel to the fire. Is BO a Muslim? We don't really know do we..

Jet Gorgon · 09-09-2008, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Just bringing the groceries home to the million-dollar mansion from Target.

GooMaiRoo · 09-09-2008, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texpat

I've commented before that W is merely a convenient target.

There's nothing convenient about it, Dubbya is a complete fool. Unfortunately also a dangerous complete fool.

Someone with Bush's limitations couldn't even run a grocery store let alone a modern industrialized nation. Do you think he actually decides the fate of countries that he can't even locate on a map? Dubbya isn't very dangerous at all. Dick Cheney and others who aren't very public are calling all the shots.

Boon Mee · 09-09-2008, 08:55 PM

Women deserting BO!

More bad news for the Obamatons: since last month, there’s been a 20-point shift towards McCain among white women.

Accidental Ajarn · 09-09-2008, 10:38 PM

"I've commented before that W is merely a convenient target"

TP

This is obvious, however I think in some ways the anti-american hatred has more or less run its course, but the irrationality and intensitity of the hatred of GW has prevents a chance for it to die down. America is not quite the economic powerhouse it was when this Euro Hatred of America started nor is Europe quite so economically sick, therefore the need to hate someone outside may be lower and a new president may lessen SOME of the irrational anti-americanism coming from Europe. On the other hand, so many euros feel Obama is "their" man for some reason, if he loses the moonbats may take it as "proof" that all mericans are stupid since we didn't elect the favorite of the moonbats.

The future of those consumed with irrational hatred seems hard to predict. You might be right, but I wouldn't give more than 3 to 1 that you are.

Mr Earl · 10-09-2008, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texpat

I've commented before that W is merely a convenient target.

There's nothing convenient about it, Dubbya is a complete fool. Unfortunately also a dangerous complete fool.

Someone with Bush's limitations couldn't even run a grocery store let alone a modern industrialized nation. Do you think he actually decides the fate of countries that he can't even locate on a map? Dubbya isn't very dangerous at all. Dick Cheney and others who aren't very public are calling all the shots.

This is the main reason Barry's going to lose!
The Obama team think they're fighting against GWB!
They're stuck doing "the knee jerk shuffle" where Bush gets blamed for everything.

The Obama campaign doesn't know what's hit them yet. By the time they get a "glimmer" McCain and Palin will be at their inaugural ball discussing how to put Air Force One up for sale on E-Bay!

Boon Mee · 10-09-2008, 05:15 AM

The Five stages of Liberal Mourning over Palin

1. Denial - This was probably the most surreal stage, with Obama campaign eventually elevating unblinking denial into a campaign smear. The Atlantic ran an article entitled "the Eagleton Scenario" and the NYT published an op-ed gently and kingly suggesting that Palin "should withdraw" to avoid humiliation. InTrade shares on Palin being replaced spiked to almost 15. When that didn't work, the left seamlessly transitioned to a different wishful denial.

2. Anger - Jeffrey Bell has suggested that the left's hateful anger toward Palin has to do with the ideological grip that social issues have on the movement. That's not entirely false. But there's certainly a more sympathetic reading: they're just trying to cope. Still - DU threads like this one are insanely venomous even by the left's usual standards.

3. Bargaining - The Obama campaign is quickly learning that "our Presidential pick is slightly more experienced than your Vice Presidential pick" is an unhappy argumentative place to be. So - how about Palin/McCain? What about Palin vs. Clinton? Anything but a veteran Senator for President with an energetic and galvanizing - but still inexperienced - governor as his running mate.

4. Depression - Last night's 54-44 Gallup poll has forced liberals to move into this next stage. Under the headline "shattered", TNR is declaring that "the Palin pick is disheartening on so many levels." Josh Marshall, having posted the Gallup poll, has become noticeably despondent. Again - it's sad, but it's all part of the natural coping process.

5. Acceptance -

Mere Rhetoric: The 5 Stages Of Liberal Mourning Over Palin

#2 is top on my hit parade. Ask yerself why ray and some 'usual suspects' are lashing out with such hateful venom, eh? It's a culture war folks...

sabang · 10-09-2008, 06:43 AM

The looming cloud of Troopergate must be of concern, but I think McCains surprise pick of Palin has been vindicated where it matters most- by the Electorate. It has reinvigorated his rather tired campaign. Thats the good news.

More sobering for the GOP is, will this Palin euphoria last, or will it peak? Similar to the Obama phenomenon- once the original hype is over, people sit back and look at things a bit more rationally- in OB's case, his being a first term Senator lead some to question his relevant experience.

In Sarahs case, expect such things as her weird Evangelical faith, her 'small town' political experience and Troopergate to be issues that will come more to the fore, and her attractive hockey mum persona less important. A sober assessment being- as potential VP for an octagenarian, am I comfortable with Mrs Palin as POTUS? The issue here is not her sex, rather the points above. Hillary is a woman too, but an experienced political battleaxe- she did not have the same credibility gap.

Bugs · 10-09-2008, 08:42 PM

Some comments on above posts - actually Obama on the peddle bike gets more points from me than Palin on a motorcycle. The peddle bike does not require gas.

On troopergate; unless something really big develops out of the investigation I see this as a big non-starter. Even if it is proven the Palin tried to use her office to get this guy canned, if only half of what has been reported about his is true folks will side with Palin on the issue. It will be seen as a mom doing everything at her disposal to keep her family safe. Most of the US will be willing to over look an abuse of power by a goverer to protect their family.

Why I posted:

In Florida, Clinton beset by Palin talk | HeraldTribune.com | Southwest Florida's Information Leader

Quote:

As one history-making woman campaigned in Florida on Monday, another cast a competing glow. Try as Hillary Clinton did to keep all of the focus on Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama -- and off the Republican's spirited new star and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin -- it was rough going.

This particular article is geared towards Clinton’s angst in dealing the popularity of Palin. However, I think that right now Obama is suffering from some “national press spotlight withdrawal”. For much of the last 18 months, Obama has been in the media spot light, but right now he has to put “lipstick on a pig” or poke other jabs at Palin to simply be able to share the spotlight with her.

Don’t worry soon enough the attention will shift back away from Palin.

All in, I think Clinton did a good job at trying to make Palin a non-issue. If Biden and Obama would follow her lead the blue team would be much better off in the long run. There is quite a lot that her and McCain could be feeding the masses about Biden - but they realize the race is with Obama not with Biden. Right now the blue team has lost their focus and are spending too much time on Palin and not enough time on the main guy they are running against - McCain.

Good move by Clinton - Biden and Obama should pay particular attention to:

Quote:

"I am going to stay focused on the issues and keep talking about the issues because that's what matters to the American people," Clinton finally said, with just a hint of edge in her voice.

good2bhappy · 10-09-2008, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Is BO a Muslim? We don't really know do we..

Once a muslim always a muslim.

Bugs · 10-09-2008, 09:20 PM

Even though the title of the article is “How Barack Obama Can Lose The Election”. The article actually outlines what the red team might do to win the election – and the authors are Obama supporters. I guess the train of thought being figure out what the other team will do, and then figure out how to counter it. Kind of the best offense is the best defense kind of thinking.

I think that might have been true before, but in the political world of today, those that don’t go on the offensive are doomed to stay on the sidelines after the elections are over.

Raleigh Telegram

Quote:

--A Republican Victory Plan--

· Compare McCain’s life to Obama’s. Obama's narrative wins at Barnes and Noble, but loses the general election. McCain’s story is "American," simple, and honorable. He has little to prove.

· Obama has much to prove and we mustn't let him. Closely examine his life narrative-–he becomes more and more exotic. Reinforce in the voters' minds his ethnic and racial background, his former church and minister, and his demonstrable inexperience.

· Biden is a gift. He supported our entry into Iraq. He's verbose, self-important, and a dependable gaffer. He's never attracted enough national votes to carry Wilmington.

· Stick with key McCain phrases—"keep America safe," "drill here, drill now," "win in Iraq," "tax relief"— with the added bonus that Obama will reject all of this as simplistic.

· Ask questions that recast Obama’s strengths as weaknesses. Obama speaks beautifully, but what has he done? Obama went to Harvard, but how is he qualified to be Commander-in-Chief? Obama proclaims: "Yes, we can," but has he explained how we will? His campaign has raised twice as much money as ours and isn’t ahead in the polls. What's that about? Just like the Democrats to get all the money and not know what to do with it.

· Attack, attack, attack. Almost any attack on Obama and Biden is effective, as long as it is not ludicrous or provably false. Both guys make many Americans uneasy. They are too cerebral, too enamored with their own voices. Emphasize their DIFFERENTNESS. Our mission: KEEP DOUBTS ALIVE!

· Obama and his campaign don't appreciate how exotic he is. They are more naïve, inexperienced, and vulnerable than they realize. What made Obama "so exciting" in the Democratic primaries will cost him the general election.

· The campaign doesn't get that Obama is heading down the path of Gore and Kerry. Both should have won easily but they talked too much, too long. Voters didn't connect with them on a personal level.

· Body language matters: Both Biden and Obama have noticeable swaggers. Obama's says "I'm a rock star presidential candidate;" Biden’s says "I'm a big shot U.S. Senator." McCain, who has much more to swagger about, doesn't.

· The majority of voters in swing states will be turned off by Obama's youthful, hip manner; complicated answers; and sarcastic, ironic attacks on McCain. Remember how poorly Obama did in Pennsylvania and Ohio against Hillary.

· Obama's cult will inevitably alienate independent voters and conservative Democrats who are not so easily enamored. Everyone loves a cult, except those who are not in it.

· Above all: turn Obama into a caricature—a Messiah slavishly followed by trendy, liberal, heads-in-the-clouds devotees—whose antithesis is McCain.

Mr Earl · 10-09-2008, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Is BO a Muslim? We don't really know do we..

Once a muslim always a muslim.

Quite right the only way to quit Islam is to die.
Perhaps this is why they're so anxious to die.

06-09-2008, 08:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 05:48 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,906	In keeping with the theme of why BO will lose, the subject of his vast experience keeps raising it's little head. Like WTF is a 'community organizer' anyhow? "What deserves ridicule is the notion that Barack Obama’s brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan non-profits qualifies as executive experience you can believe in. What deserves derision is “community organizing” that relies of a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people and shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon." Michelle Malkin » Explaining the “community organizer” joke to the outraged Left No shit... __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

10-09-2008, 06:43 AM	#36 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 05:05 AM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,553	The looming cloud of Troopergate must be of concern, but I think McCains surprise pick of Palin has been vindicated where it matters most- by the Electorate. It has reinvigorated his rather tired campaign. Thats the good news. More sobering for the GOP is, will this Palin euphoria last, or will it peak? Similar to the Obama phenomenon- once the original hype is over, people sit back and look at things a bit more rationally- in OB's case, his being a first term Senator lead some to question his relevant experience. In Sarahs case, expect such things as her weird Evangelical faith, her 'small town' political experience and Troopergate to be issues that will come more to the fore, and her attractive hockey mum persona less important. A sober assessment being- as potential VP for an octagenarian, am I comfortable with Mrs Palin as POTUS? The issue here is not her sex, rather the points above. Hillary is a woman too, but an experienced political battleaxe- she did not have the same credibility gap. __________________ Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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06-09-2008, 02:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 10-08-2009 09:13 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,028	^Speaking of the war hero bit, and the abuse McCain says he suffered at the hands of his VC captors, Aljazeera is airing an expose where they went to Hanoi and interviewed the former head of his prison camp. It was interesting, of course the guy denied any abuse, and said the reason McCain can't raise his arms is he broke them in the fall from ejecting from the plane. He also says he wishes McCain luck. Evidently, there is a shrine erected where he fell into the lake, and also at the Hanoi Hilton, because of the fame of McCain now.

07-09-2008, 10:02 PM	#23 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 05:48 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,906	And playing the Race Card again? heh... "I know that I’m not your typical presidential candidate," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told executives and employees of the Schott glass company Friday afternoon, "and I just want to be honest with you. I know that." "And I know that the temptation is to say, 'You know what? …The guy hasn’t been there that long in Washington.,' You know, 'he’s got funny name,' You know, 'we’re not sure about him,'" Political Punch

08-09-2008, 10:57 PM	#24 (permalink)
thegent Ban Phe Last Online: Yesterday 11:57 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 616	Voting generally resolves to sentiment and this election is no different. Electing a geriatric because he fell out of an aeroplane always struck me as a long shot and I suspect when the moment comes most intelligent voters will plump for BO not least because he can still get an erection and his voice doesn't sound like a quavery old fart's.

09-09-2008, 02:51 AM	#27 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	I don't care if he's a Muslim. I do care if he's a liar.

09-09-2008, 03:02 AM	#28 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 05:48 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,906	Let's do a little Compare & Contrast shall we?

09-09-2008, 08:55 PM	#32 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 05:48 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,906	Women deserting BO! More bad news for the Obamatons: since last month, there’s been a 20-point shift towards McCain among white women.

09-09-2008, 10:38 PM	#33 (permalink)
Accidental Ajarn Ban Phe Last Online: 12-09-2009 05:32 PM Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 615	"I've commented before that W is merely a convenient target" TP This is obvious, however I think in some ways the anti-american hatred has more or less run its course, but the irrationality and intensitity of the hatred of GW has prevents a chance for it to die down. America is not quite the economic powerhouse it was when this Euro Hatred of America started nor is Europe quite so economically sick, therefore the need to hate someone outside may be lower and a new president may lessen SOME of the irrational anti-americanism coming from Europe. On the other hand, so many euros feel Obama is "their" man for some reason, if he loses the moonbats may take it as "proof" that all mericans are stupid since we didn't elect the favorite of the moonbats. The future of those consumed with irrational hatred seems hard to predict. You might be right, but I wouldn't give more than 3 to 1 that you are.

10-09-2008, 05:15 AM	#35 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 05:48 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,906	The Five stages of Liberal Mourning over Palin 1. Denial - This was probably the most surreal stage, with Obama campaign eventually elevating unblinking denial into a campaign smear. The Atlantic ran an article entitled "the Eagleton Scenario" and the NYT published an op-ed gently and kingly suggesting that Palin "should withdraw" to avoid humiliation. InTrade shares on Palin being replaced spiked to almost 15. When that didn't work, the left seamlessly transitioned to a different wishful denial. 2. Anger - Jeffrey Bell has suggested that the left's hateful anger toward Palin has to do with the ideological grip that social issues have on the movement. That's not entirely false. But there's certainly a more sympathetic reading: they're just trying to cope. Still - DU threads like this one are insanely venomous even by the left's usual standards. 3. Bargaining - The Obama campaign is quickly learning that "our Presidential pick is slightly more experienced than your Vice Presidential pick" is an unhappy argumentative place to be. So - how about Palin/McCain? What about Palin vs. Clinton? Anything but a veteran Senator for President with an energetic and galvanizing - but still inexperienced - governor as his running mate. 4. Depression - Last night's 54-44 Gallup poll has forced liberals to move into this next stage. Under the headline "shattered", TNR is declaring that "the Palin pick is disheartening on so many levels." Josh Marshall, having posted the Gallup poll, has become noticeably despondent. Again - it's sad, but it's all part of the natural coping process. 5. Acceptance - Mere Rhetoric: The 5 Stages Of Liberal Mourning Over Palin #2 is top on my hit parade. Ask yerself why ray and some 'usual suspects' are lashing out with such hateful venom, eh? It's a culture war folks...

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