Bareback or Raincoat , Poll

**obsidian** · 25-08-2007, 07:31 PM

can anteaters wear regular condoms or do they need special ones that unroll into a point?

**ChiangMai noon** · 25-08-2007, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Rigger

HIV is making a come back

how is that possible?
are you saying it went away.

I appreciate and sympathise with the people you know that have been lost, but I've been here a long time now and know a fair few people and don't know anyone who has it, nor do i know anyone who knows anyone who has it.
maybe it's not prevalant in Chiangmai.

that's my empirical research.

**Rigger** · 25-08-2007, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

how is that possible?

cases are on the rise again in Thailand

**Wayne Kerr** · 25-08-2007, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

I appreciate and sympathise with the shit people you know that have been lost

My experience ... BIL now really sick from hepatitis C. Another mate I've worked with for years in Phnom Penh now spending at least 1 week a month in hospital (in Hanoi and Bangkok at massive personal expense) for treatment of HIV and hep C. The former got sick from his minor wife, the latter whilst he was finishing his PhD in Denmark (I didn't ask how).

In our soi, Mrs. Kerr tells me that 2 people are in late stages of AIDs (both under the age of 35), a friend of the bloke opposite died just recently from it and we went to his funeral. Mrs. Kerr says she has had some connection (friend of a friend, cousin etc.) with at least 10 people with HIV or have died of related illnesses since we've been back here for the past 5 years. Her impression is that there seems to lots of new cases in Bangkok recently ... maybe she is just trying to put the wind up with me but normally she don't make fun with this stuff.

**ChiangMai noon** · 25-08-2007, 09:41 PM

Ok.
but if i met a single person in my life that had HIV or even knew someone that did, i'd be more inclined to believe that than the stats that are churned out.

**ChiangMai noon** · 25-08-2007, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr

I guess you aint referring to "shit people" there mate?

just to mention that was a half post thing that i edited before your post.

**ChiangMai noon** · 25-08-2007, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr

Her impression is that there seems to lots of new cases in Bangkok

Chingmai is obviously immune.

**Wayne Kerr** · 25-08-2007, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

just to mention that was a half post thing that i edited before your post.

Sorry mate, was drinking and picking Mrs. Kerr's brains whilst posting.

**slimboyfat** · 25-08-2007, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Chingmai is obviously immune.

i usually get the a and i in the spelling of chiang in chiang mai mixed up.

nice to see your solution to that problem

**mad_dog** · 25-08-2007, 10:36 PM

I've lived in Thailand 5 years and thrice slept with hoes. Never used a jonny. Skanks only usually appeal ot me in the depths of a binge and then who the fuck thinks about protection? Haven't been near a hoe in two years but the old AIDS questions does cross my mind from time to time.

**DrB0b** · 25-08-2007, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by Rigger

HIV is making a come back

how is that possible?
are you saying it went away.

I appreciate and sympathise with the people you know that have been lost, but I've been here a long time now and know a fair few people and don't know anyone who has it, nor do i know anyone who knows anyone who has it.
maybe it's not prevalant in Chiangmai.

that's my empirical research.

There is some in Chiang Mai but these days mostly among IV drug users. The Thai government has actually done a pretty good job educating the general public about HIV (that's why they call condoms Mechais, after the minister of health who spearheaded the campaign) and the incidence has dropped dramatically in the last few years. I do know people in CM who have HIV, mostly drug users but also a few ex barworkers, both male and female. People I know who work in the sex trade here wouldn't dream of going with a customer unless they used a rubber, that's the bar trade - I've been told it's a different story with the streetwalkers. This is an interesting quote from the article linked below;

"Over 3.5% of military recruits aged 21 were reported to be HIV-infected in many parts of the country following a 1992 round of surveys, with a prevalence rate to 20% in Chiang Mai, northern Thailand"

The same article, which is recent, also talks about the problem Rigger mentioned,

"Along with countries such as Brazil and Haiti, Thailand has shown the world that it is possible for a developing country to form an effective response to HIV and AIDS. For all its successes, though, Thailand’s epidemic has never eased off in certain regions and among certain groups. With a serious shortage of HIV prevention programs being carried out, there is a widespread fear that Thailand will witness a resurgence of HIV and AIDS in coming years"

That article is here
HIV and AIDS in Thailand
and seems like a pretty good analysis to me that compares well with some of the more hysterical NGO reports I've seen. While it does say that the incidence of new HIV cases has dropped since the 90's it's still good to keep it in its proper context, the UK and Thailand have similar population sizes, the estimated number of HIV infected people in the UK is 32,000 while the estimated number of infected people in Thailand is over half a million. That's a lot of infected people and would make me think twice about going bareback.

**terry57** · 26-08-2007, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by mad_dog

I've lived in Thailand 5 years and thrice slept with hoes. Never used a jonny. Skanks only usually appeal ot me in the depths of a binge and then who the fuck thinks about protection? Haven't been near a hoe in two years but the old AIDS questions does cross my mind from time to time.

might be a top idea to get your old fella checked out mad dog, as you could possibly go into a panic if you woke one morning and the trouser snake had turned a bright purple colour.

off you go to bumungrad hospital and do the righty.

dont worry mate, as we wont tell any bugger.

**Marmite the Dog** · 26-08-2007, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

The Op that inspired the poll makes some good points.
I don't believe that HIV is a fraction as prevalant as the Government would like people and in particular foreign aid givers to believe.

Does that mean that you don't use a johnnie when you take ho~s back to your gaff?

**Itchy** · 26-08-2007, 01:21 AM

Ok.
but if i met a single person in my life that had HIV or even knew someone that did, i'd be more inclined to believe that than the stats that are churned out.

You and I need to meet up some time and I'll tell you about a very good friend of mine who died of HIV Aids he picked up in Thailand.

I have one other friend who is HIV possitive (also picked up in Thailand) His HIV status was detected when he went for a medical in preperation for applying for a visa to Saudi Arabia.

And I have another friend living in the UK who's Thai wife is HIV Possitive.

As a volunteer hospital visitor in Thailand for a number of years I met very many foreigners who where HIV Possitive (Most older guys who perhaps didn't want to accept the message about HIV risks.

I'd urge anyone who's past activities has left them worrying about HIV to go get tested for three very good reasons.

If you are possitive you don't want to be placing your loved ones at risk.
If you are possitive you need to get treatment as early as possible (the earlier your infection is detected the sooner medication can start and your life/health be protected)

And finally: My sister is a doctor in NY, she tells me she sees a significant number of patients with non HIV related illnesses that have been allowed to progress to seriosu conditions because and only because the patient has been too scared of discovering they have HIV (which they seldom have) hence not going to seek help with symptoms/illness that is not HIV related.

**GooMaiRoo** · 26-08-2007, 04:53 AM

Hep B, Hep C, venereal warts and herpes are common in the sex trade and are permanent, so I'd suit up even if HIV didn't exist. Besides there's more to sex than the amount of friction on your willy, isn't there? Too many of my friends who go bareback seem to be going to the drugstore and clinic for nasty diseases that I don't want to catch. Barebacking just isn't worth it in Thailand, unless you're monogamous and you've both been fully tested. It's not good for your karma either, since you could be responsible putting others at risk for lots of future suffering.

**mrsquirrel** · 26-08-2007, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr

Sorry mate, was drinking and picking Mrs. Kerr's brains whilst posting.

Strange isn't we pick their brains, yet they pick spots on our backs?

All of my olds students were aware of the dangers of HIV. They were born just after the epidemic of the 1990 or so. They were all aware. Problem is that once the epidemic was controlled and people started using jonnies and taking care (nots sure what happened to the drug users) people start to get lax. Give it ten years less advertising and marketing and the kids are starting to forget the good advice they were given.

Somewhere on the internet is a very good report of the extent of HIV in the world. It included a section on Africa and explained why most of the people who are postive there are men in their 30,sbabies or girls under 16. Girls under 16 are getting fucked by older men contracting HIV getting pregnant as well.

**Ivor Biggun** · 27-08-2007, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

It is incredible that I am ok, not so much as a high pus cell count in my wees - clean as a whistle, probably because I'm not circumcised.

Seriously though, the real reason is that the few times I did go bareback with a 'high risk' girl, neither of us had an open wound on our genitalia.

According to what I've read on circumcision, cutting off the polo neck collar reduces the chance of catching HIV, or any STD come to that.Correct me if I'm wrong ?

**ChiangMai noon** · 27-08-2007, 08:43 AM

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cobblers

**kingwilly** · 27-08-2007, 09:04 AM

pre or post hiv ??

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

Pre.

I've been lucky, then again I have had certain standars when taking somebody home.

It annoys me these people who preach about condoms then drive home drunk.

FFS, you are only in your mid 30's.....

the condom message and HIV/AIDS scare hit in the mid 80's....

so u were out shagging ur guts out at age 12/13

**The Gentleman Scamp** · 27-08-2007, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

did you not realise that having sex actually does create small open wounds (that is if you do it properly)?

Well I remember a similar comment from a guy saying with an air of boastfulness that condoms usually broke when he was shagging whores.

I pointed out to him - as I shall point out to you - that "Doing it properly" usually means that the woman is sufficiently lubricated (by her own physical means) not to recieve any friction damage to her vagina or to the condom.

In fact, when a woman is very very horny she can be so wet that it is often a job being able to feel oneself inside her - not that I can claim to achieve this on a regular basis.

**Ivor Biggun** · 27-08-2007, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^
cobblers

I was only stating what I read on 'Yahoo answers'. I wanted to know the for and against circumcision and that was a for. Whether it's been medically proven, I do not know. All I know is that Oral Sex is a matter of taste.

**The Basket Weaver** · 27-08-2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by oldboy

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^
cobblers

I was only stating what I read on 'Yahoo answers'. I wanted to know the for and against circumcision and that was a for. Whether it's been medically proven, I do not know. All I know is that Oral Sex is a matter of taste.

There was a show on 60minutes about this last night. Yes, it has been "medically proven" (stats) that circumcision helps prevent AIDS, cirvical cancer etc.

**peterpan** · 27-08-2007, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by The Basket Weaver

Originally Posted by oldboy

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^
cobblers

I was only stating what I read on 'Yahoo answers'. I wanted to know the for and against circumcision and that was a for. Whether it's been medically proven, I do not know. All I know is that Oral Sex is a matter of taste.

There was a show on 60minutes about this last night. Yes, it has been "medically proven" (stats) that circumcision helps prevent AIDS, cirvical cancer etc.

Of course it does.
I knew a girl who worked in Lolitas dick sucking academy, she has had more knobs in her gob than an Irishman has has pints of Guinness, she didn't like anteaters because they smelled bad and she don't like Cheese.

**ChiangMai noon** · 27-08-2007, 10:38 AM

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cobblers

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