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    the problem is medicine... the education and "science" behind it... and apparently nobody that asks any questions of that utterly dumb people...

    a major problem in distraction is psychiatry...
    they contributed an awful lot to all the worldwide confusion and obstruction...
    and are the MOST ACTIVE in covering up (their own bull shit and wrong treatments...)

    psychiatry has only become quite recently a "real" part of medicine...
    before it was just a spooky thing, run by crazy nutjobs... so the general opinion and views on it...

    their break through came with "lithium", some time in the 50s...
    and developed dramatically with valium, ritalin etc...

    time to bring that to an end now...
    and reveal the harm they have done - and are doing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    for aids, cancer, many parasites there ARE more natural treatments one can imagine... at least same effective as chemotherapy...

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    no, its not

    but as a patient you dont have another chance, than to trust on "classic" medical treatment...
    as "experiments" with herbs for these illnesses can turn out very bad and mostly not possible at all in combination with the usual pharma drugs...

    its mostly the combination of herbs, that is even MORE effective than chemotherapy...
    but once you are sick, it can make things worse, when applied not correctly...

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    You're talking nonsense, Ali, as per usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benbaaa View Post
    Health science and the profit motive are very uneasy bedfellows. If you wanna do good, do good. If you wanna get rich, sell shampoo or computers. If you wanna do both, I don't think you can.

    well, the drug companies do good, in many cases

    their drugs make a lot of peoples' lives better, and save many people too

    the problems come when people who can't afford the cost of those drugs need them

    the drug companies need to protect their profits, the sick people need those drugs

    then other companies break the patent laws and start making those drugs cheaply, then lawsuits start

    Another problem is that many diseases need a lot more research to find cures but the drug companies will not fund research that will turn out to be too difficult and therefore non-profitable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Wilson View Post
    You're talking nonsense, Ali, as per usual.
    This part, anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post

    its mostly the combination of herbs, that is even MORE effective than chemotherapy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    the drug companies need to protect their profits, the sick people need those drugs
    you surely a plunger doctor?

    many pharma companies give out medication for people that cant afford it...


    and besides pharma companies, that are profit-orientied companies (and there is nothing wrong with it), do universities with the attached hospitals a lot of research (on government budgets) as well...

    besides the military...

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    Why not save the world and just let people die? Get rid of doctor's and drug companies. Lawyers and Bankers to follow.

    Do you think its wise to combat disease and illness in a world that is procreating itself into poverty? Slow it down, help humanity, stop using doctors and pharmacology to prevent death.

    Save the planet, die today.

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    hehehehe...itnt... you havent understood too much...sorry...

    in this case, the parasites would quickly create a new species to their most suitable design...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    many pharma companies give out medication for people that cant afford it...
    it would be intersting to have a few links for that

    the only times I have remembered that happening was the companies needed some positive publicity after being shown to be mean-hearted scrooges

    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    and besides pharma companies, that are profit-orientied companies (and there is nothing wrong with it), do universities with the attached hospitals a lot of research (on government budgets) as well... besides the military...
    yes, we know that, and they are not under discussion

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    There was no money to be made on Malaria medication. With global warming things have changed.
    Things are looking a lot better ...for the pharma industry

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    In other words, there is no CURE.
    very good Socal, have a gold star

    there was no cure for thousands of diseases but they were eventually found, often not by drug companies but by concerned individuals, charities and other national-funded bodies

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    There was no money to be made on Malaria medication. With global warming things have changed.
    Things are looking a lot better ...for the pharma industry

    Dengue fever is another good example of how the drug companies bailed out because the problems seemed to difficult to surmount and make a profit

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    but they were eventually found, often not by drug companies but by concerned individuals, charities and other national-funded bodies
    Fuk'en do gooder's. Why can't they just let the diseases take their natural path?

    Death, life's wake up call.

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    treatments/vaccinations for malaria, toxoplasmosis are on their way now...

    will of course cure a lot of "psychiatrist" patients (psychosis, schizo, autism, adhd...)..."as well"...

    almost on their way... found a lot of things, that effectively inhibit/fight off, that are NOT too toxic for humans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Why can't they just let the diseases take their natural path?
    right

    you, I and many others probably would be dead, so TD would miss our contributions (waits for soi dogs yapping...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    many pharma companies give out medication for people that cant afford it...
    it would be intersting to have a few links for that

    the only times I have remembered that happening was the companies needed some positive publicity after being shown to be mean-hearted scrooges
    To be honest quite a few pharms have been caught donating out of date drugs to charity. it has the advantage to turning material that needs to be disposed of at about $1000 dollars per tonne into a tax deductible write off at full retail value. In other words a nice little earner for the morally challenged.

    however you have other companies like merck in the US which has a long track record in making drugs for sick people in the third world and manufacturing drugs specifically for donation. river blindess is a good example, though the drug is so unpleasant and kills so many people.... im not sure anyone would really want to profit from it
    http://www.merck.com/cr/docs/River%2...ct%20Sheet.pdf
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    New pill brings hope for sleeping sickness treatment - Times LIVE

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    the problem is medicine... the education and "science" behind it... and apparently nobody that asks any questions of that utterly dumb people...

    a major problem in distraction is psychiatry...
    they contributed an awful lot to all the worldwide confusion and obstruction...
    and are the MOST ACTIVE in covering up (their own bull shit and wrong treatments...)

    psychiatry has only become quite recently a "real" part of medicine...
    before it was just a spooky thing, run by crazy nutjobs... so the general opinion and views on it...

    their break through came with "lithium", some time in the 50s...
    and developed dramatically with valium, ritalin etc...

    time to bring that to an end now...
    and reveal the harm they have done - and are doing...
    The real problem, as you quote, is the general allopathic-Western approach to health care and well-being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    but they were eventually found, often not by drug companies but by concerned individuals, charities and other national-funded bodies
    Fuk'en do gooder's. Why can't they just let the diseases take their natural path?

    Death, life's wake up call.
    We certainly could use a little bit of that....thinning out the herd naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    We certainly could use a little bit of that....thinning out the herd naturally.
    I don't want to appear callus, but we could use "a lot more," of that thinning. Welcome to a world of perpetual ignorance, 3 billion Indians and 4 billion Chinese...is that what advanced medicine wants>idiots!

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    Thought you were a nice guy lint. May have been premature in my judgement.

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    That's the trouble with folks, make up mental images of imperfect models.

    Natural Selection, heard of it?

    folks like yer-self, BenBaa are at the top of the Gene pool. As most of the worlds masses are at the very bottom or largely close to ignorant dumb-asses. Since there's more of them than say the average I.Q. of 120 somethings I figure that within the next 50 or so years you will become extinct or those like you.

    You cannot procreate at the phenomenal rates that these Primates can and do. Sad innit?

    Never fear BenBaa, my impression of you has not diminished one i-ota. A true man among men and gentlemen of the first order I dare say. Often to be found with sage advice and great humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    folks like yer-self, BenBaa are at the top of the Gene pool.
    based on what data?

    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    As most of the worlds masses are at the very bottom or largely close to ignorant dumb-asses
    yes, they are ignorant because education has not been available, but that does not make them stupid, and their genes are good for integrating into the formerly closed Western society

    e.g. the Chinese run most of the economies of SE Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Never fear BenBaa, my impression of you has not diminished one i-ota. A true man among men and gentlemen of the first order I dare say. Often to be found with sage advice and great humor.
    oh dear, is that a compliment coming from Itnt?

    never mind BB, we know the truth

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