Closing down

[RandomChances]

Well it's finaly came to it. I've got to close down, well I actualy closed about a month ago which is one of the reasons I've been a bit proccupied of late .

Some of you will know that I had an outbrake of TB in the herd about 6 months ago. This was a reall blow but not a killer one, unfortunaly when we came to check the blood again 3 months later it was still present in some of the herd. I was left with no real choice other then sell them all. I'm pretty loathed to buy in anymore stock at the moment as I have no fresh fodder for them anyway, so have decided to return to the UK for a while and reassess my situation.

RC

[stroller]

I am sorry to hear this, RC.

Don't give up!

[watterinja]

Ticklish Balls (TB) can surely be vaccinated against?

Best of success RC. Sorry to hear about your difficulties.

[Dougal]

I am really sorry to hear that RC. That's a hell of a blow.

[kingwilly]

Well it's finaly came to it. I've got to close down, well I actualy closed about a month ago which is one of the reasons I've been a bit proccupied of late .

Some of you will know that I had an outbrake of TB in the herd about 6 months ago. This was a reall blow but not a killer one, unfortunaly when we came to check the blood again 3 months later it was still present in some of the herd. I was left with no real choice other then sell them all. I'm pretty loathed to buy in anymore stock at the moment as I have no fresh fodder for them anyway, so have decided to return to the UK for a while and reassess my situation. My misses was turned down for her UK visa yesterday as well. There's a thread open on TV about it if you want the details

RC

mate, that's a real blow. sorry to hear it.

[Lily]

RC, I am so sorry that this has happened.

You still have the land though, don't you?

[Jarvis]

Bad one RC. I wish you and the family all the best and hope it all works out for you.

[ChiangMai noon]

I'm also very sorry to hear about this.
I hope everything goes well back in the UK and you won't have to be there too long, unless you want to be.

[RandomChances]

Thanks guy's and lily Yes we still have all the land ect. I could re-stock to a certian extent at the moment but it would always be an uphill struggle. Not really sure what the future holds, we were quite up-beat and both sort of looking forward to the whole thing before my misses got turned down for her visa.

[ChiangMai noon]

Not really sure what the future holds, we were quite up-beat and both sort of looking forward to the whole thing before my misses got turned down for her visa.

I hope you don't mind me asking on what grounds they turned her down.

[RandomChances]

I hope you don't mind me asking on what grounds they turned her down.

Hang on I'll do a cut'n'paste....it's rather long winded

[stroller]

we were quite up-beat and both sort of looking forward to the whole thing before my misses got turned down for her visa.

Fok and now this!
Brit embassy is the pits.

Happened to my previous gf as well, even after she got her full Schengen visa for Germany and most of the EU.

[peterpan]

We are all sorry to hear of your misfortune RC.
As you may know I had my business and a good living ripped off me by a thieving employee in concert with the scumbag filth for hire, disguised as cops.
I thought at the time it was the death knell for my time in Thailand. Somehow with support of friends, I have managed to keep going, now working on developing a business that won't require much capital, that will not provide a incentive to be ripped off again. From the lowest point in my life, where a trip to Pattaya to join the Pat balcony divers club was contemplated to the point now where I am happy working on raising my family and setting the foundations for a new business.
Shit happens and with support, (much of which I got from this board) you can overcome and move past hurdles.

[RandomChances]

Here you go:-

My wife has just been refused her settlement visa on grounds very similar to mikeybee's post here Settlement Refusal - Thailand Forum. Again no interview was offered

Here's the full text of the refusal

You have applied for an entry clearance to the United Kingdom as the spouse of XXXXXXXXX. However I am not satisfied on the balance of probabilities that your application meets the requirements of paragraph 281, and in particular

That there will be adequate accommodation for you and your spouse (and any dependants) without the recourse to public funds which you and your spouse own or occupy exclusively

That you and your spouse will be able to maintain yourselves and any dependants adequately without recourse to public funds.

Because

You have applied to travel with your husband XXXXXXXX to the United Kingdom. You were married in Thailand on XXXXXXXXX and have produced a marriage certificate from Thailand.

I note that you live in Thailand with your husband. You state there will be accommodation for you in the United Kingdom and have provided documentary evidence in support of this. I note that you have provided documentation from Mr and Mrs XXXXXX and XXXXXX in support of your application. You have explained that they are your husband’s parents and have guaranteed your accommodation in the United Kingdom. I am satisfied you have third party sponsorship in your application. You have not provided evidence to establish your sponsor’s ownership/rental of the property in which it is proposed you will live, or any indication that mortgage/rental commitments are being honoured. Without this, I am not satisfied that the accommodation is secure, or hence that you will be accommodated without the recourse to public funds.

You have not provided any documentary evidence of your sponsor’s employment. In absence of any further evidence I am satisfied on the balance of probability that your sponsor is not in employment and had provided no evidence that this would change in the reasonably foreseeable future. Similarly, you have no obvious employment prospects.

In reaching my decision, I have also taken account of the Human Rights Act. Whilst I accept that this decision constitutes limited interference with Article 8, I remind myself that this is a qualified right, and I am satisfied that the decision is justified and proportionate in the interests of maintaining an effective Immigration Control. I am also aware of the fact that there is nothing in English law, which prohibits the sponsor from travelling to Thailand and enjoying family life with you here in this country.

For the first part we provided an old estate agents brochure for the house along with a letter saying it was the property of my parents (they subsequently decided not to sell), along with bank and building society statements showing it as their address. In both me parents and my own covering letter we stated that they owned their own property so there would be no mortgage or rental agreements and that they were currently in Thailand and would be available to attend an interview if the need arose.

As for part two I'm incredulous. We stated that I wasn’t employed and we supported ourselves from my wife’s business here in Thailand (my dairy herd has been decimated by TB, there's a post in the farming section if anyone’s interested). Any employment we had here would be a moot point if we were returning to the UK and apart from that my parents had already agreed to sponsor us.

I've already sent an e-mail off to the Embassy asking for a review of the case on the grounds that we have provided evidence on "balance of probability" that accommodation is available and referring to Diplomatic Service Procedures - Entry clearance , Volume 1 - General instructions chapter 9 in particular 9.3 and 9.7

9.3 - Maintenance: General requirements
The Rules require that there be adequate maintenance for applicants without recourse to public funds. This means that either the applicants have their own funds (or funds available to them) or a friend/relative will sponsor them. A combination of these is also acceptable

My Parents provided active bank current account statements showing an end of month balance of over 6,000 pounds and a savings account showing a balance of 27,000 pounds along with a copy of our Thai bank book and details of further assets to be sold before we return home.

9.7 - Assessing adequate means of maintenance for fiancé(e)s and spouses or civil partners
If the applicant and/or sponsor has skills or qualifications which offer a reasonable chance of obtaining employment or already has employment arranged, that should be viewed as sufficient to meet the maintenance requirement without having to make further enquiries

While my wife only has a high school diploma ( she hasn’t finished here degree yet) I have a Degree in Aeronautical Engineering along with a City and Guilds as an Aircraft Propulsion Technician, at only 42 I feel that that shows a reasonable chance of finding employment.

Anyway any advice on the best way to proceed with the appeal would be helpful

RC

[ChiangMai noon]

Somehow with support of friends, I have managed to keep going, now working on developing a business that won't require much capital, that will not provide a incentive to be ripped off again.

Glad to hear of that too PP.
Are you opening a bakery??

[kingwilly]

Not really sure what the future holds, we were quite up-beat and both sort of looking forward to the whole thing before my misses got turned down for her visa.

it really is quite a horrible position, and at the mercy of the beaucratic wankers.....

[Anonymous Coward]

RC -- Sorry to hear of your bad luck. I always admired you for taking on the dairy business in Thailand the way you did. Something I'd never even attempt.

I hope things get straightened out with the visa, but I think it would be a shame for you to leave.

Good luck.

[William]

RC - sorry to read of this mate, it really is the shits. Make sure you give us a call in Bkk before you go off anywhere

[peterpan]

RC, I am Fvcking astounded on the basis of what you supplied that they refused a Visa, thats just bloody stupid.
I would love to show them a copy of a application (2002) which was approved for a (intended) spouse visa. The applicant was a bar girl. no money, no education, Fiancee was in the UK at the time of application and approval. She bull shitted them right through. and they sucked it up. Just shows you how dimwitted these Fvcks in The UK embassy are.
( I was plonking her at the time and provided the "fake" employers references)

[Lily]

I can't believe that they refused your wife a visa. A man I worked with, went back to the UK with a wife who had never worked, even in Thailand and two children, to be a student at 33 years of age and they had no trouble at all.

They also had no money, but were sponsored by his parents.

[ChiangMai noon]

I can't believe that they refused your wife a visa.

I can.
No matter how difficult the Thai authorities make things and how much we whine and whinge, they can never be as fukking difficult as the British authorities.
I once had to have seperate interviews with my Turkish wife just to get her a 2 week tourist visa.

[Lily]

No matter how difficult the Thai authorities make things and how much we whine and whinge, they can never be as fukking difficult as the British authorities.

But it seems so inconsistent.

They let bargirls in and honest wives are refused.

[MeMock]

Wow - thats full on RC.

Please keep us posted and don't dissapear totally.

[slimboyfat]

bad luck RC.

hope things improve for you soon.

[slimboyfat]

No matter how difficult the Thai authorities make things and how much we whine and whinge, they can never be as fukking difficult as the British authorities.

But it seems so inconsistent.

They let bargirls in and honest wives are refused.

bargirls can be honest wives too can't they?

well ex-bargirls anyway