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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    DNA tsting is not going to prove them to be "Thai" and thus they are doomed not to get Thai citizenship
    Rubbish. The DNA test is done to the children of stateless people who have obtained Thai nationality. The children gain their Thai nationality by their parents DNA confirmation. Exactly the same way as children of Brits, Aus, NZ etc do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    That isnt true .
    I said that my Boy will quite likely get Thai Citizenship in the future and that if I got him a UK passport now, this will make him ineligible to receive Thai citizenship
    I thought you had me on ignore? Your boy can/will get British nationality before he gets Thai because his mother is 'stateless' and you can get him Brit registered but you are a complete numpty and a bollix of a father. Now put me back on ignore you twat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Rubbish. The DNA test is done to the children of stateless people who have obtained Thai nationality. The children gain their Thai nationality by their parents DNA confirmation. Exactly the same way as children of Brits, Aus, NZ etc do.
    Don't say "rubbish", I'm only exploring this whole concept. Refute, inform, or correct by all means .
    OK, I see what you're saying. But what of people who have lived here for generations upon generation and the parents don't have Thai citizenship because they never were DNA tested or their parents in turn never registered the births? From what I gather, a hilltribe woman who doesn't have Thai citizenship (but was born in Thailand as were her parents and their parents before them) can give birth in a Thai hospital but her child is still not automatically "Thai" because the mother is not a citizen, and so on ad infinitum. Each new baby born, by dint that his/her parents were not Thai citizens is not granted citizenship. And because they're a minority, there is no DNA proof of their Thai parentage but that their parents were also not legally Thai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    I thought you had me on ignore? Your boy can/will get British nationality before he gets Thai because his mother is 'stateless' and you can get him Brit registered but you are a complete numpty and a bollix of a father. Now put me back on ignore you twat.
    You are not making any sense and you have no idea what you are talking about and you seem to have difficulty in understanding my posts .
    "DNA to test for Thai ethnicity" LOL , absolutely clueless .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Don't say "rubbish", I'm only exploring this whole concept. Refute, inform, or correct by all means .
    OK, I see what you're saying. But what of people who have lived here for generations upon generation and the parents don't have Thai citizenship because they never were DNA tested or their parents in turn never registered the births? From what I gather, a hilltribe woman who doesn't have Thai citizenship (but was born in Thailand as were her parents and their parents before them) can give birth in a Thai hospital but her child is still not automatically "Thai" because the mother is not a citizen, and so on ad infinitum. Each new baby born, by dint that his/her parents were not Thai citizens is not granted citizenship. And because they're a minority, there is no DNA proof of their Thai parentage but that their parents were also not legally Thai.
    The Thai Gov are addressing this issue , the Thai Gov plans to end statelessness by 2022 .
    Every Child born in Thailand and who has never left Thailand and went to school in Thailand and who has no affiliation with any other Country (I.D. , passport) will be given Thai I.D , that was the plan announced last year and I haven't heard how its progressing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    The Thai Gov are addressing this issue , the Thai Gov plans to end statelessness by 2022 .
    Every Child born in Thailand and who has never left Thailand and went to school in Thailand and who has no affiliation with any other Country (I.D. , passport) will be given Thai I.D , that was the plan announced last year and I haven't heard how its progressing
    That sounds good and very much way past time. 5 years to do it though? Thai xenophobia.
    So that's good for the natural minorities (hill tribes etc) at whom the idea is aimed, but from what you say this may have implications for luk kreung from Farang-Thai relationships too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    The Thai Gov are addressing this issue , the Thai Gov plans to end statelessness by 2022 .
    Every Child born in Thailand and who has never left Thailand and went to school in Thailand and who has no affiliation with any other Country (I.D. , passport) will be given Thai I.D , that was the plan announced last year and I haven't heard how its progressing
    Link please.

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    Maanaam do not get involved with 'Fluke'. If you decide to ignore my warning I suggest you read his threads beginning with http://teakdoor.com/the-dog-house/16...abduction.html Happy reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Link please.
    No AO don't do it. Fluke has got attention and will now work on it.

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    Will rural surin, thaimeme huanglo have to leave Oregon or can he send his blood sample by EMS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Will rural surin, thaimeme huanglo have to leave Oregon or can he send his blood sample by EMS?
    He just needs to send a pair of his underpants. Should be enough DNA samples in them to keep some laboratory in work for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    That sounds good and very much way past time. 5 years to do it though? Thai xenophobia.
    So that's good for the natural minorities (hill tribes etc) at whom the idea is aimed, but from what you say this may have implications for luk kreung from Farang-Thai relationships too.
    Actually, it may be by 2024 .
    I dont think that it makes any difference as to where the Parents come from, just as long as the Children fill the criteria

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    From the UNHCR November 2016

    Overcoming statelessness in Thailand one case at a time

    More than 23,000 stateless people have been granted Thai nationality in the last four years as the Southeast Asian nation seeks to end statelessness by 2024.


    In Thailand alone, there are currently 438,821 people registered as stateless. Many stateless people and those at risk of statelessness in Thailand come from areas where national borders have changed, leaving their nationality in question. Some belong to “hill tribes” living in remote areas with limited access to information about nationality procedures and who, in the past, lived without registration or identity documentation.

    The Thai government has pledged to attain zero statelessness by 2024. Earlier this year, it requested all districts in the country to identify and issue legal status – which could range from Thai nationality to permanent or temporary residence – to eligible stateless students in its database. This move could benefit up to 65,000 students like Sawitree, who might otherwise struggle to pursue higher education.

    To help address the challenge, UNHCR has been working with the Thai authorities and, most recently with ADRA, to open “service points” in different schools in Chiang Rai’s Mae Fah Luang and Mae Chan districts.

    Stateless students and their families living there have been able to obtain nationality-related information and eventually lodge applications for birth registration, nationality, permanent residency and related civil status and identity documentation.

    The project has engaged government officials at the district level, school principals, community leaders as well as local civil society, who have also been working on the issue of statelessness. The target – to prepare 10,000 applications by the end of 2016.


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    From January 2017

    Thailand Opens Citizenship Path for 80,000 Stateless People

    Thailand’s cabinet has passed a resolution that could allow as many as 80,000 stateless people living in the country to apply for Thai citizenship, according to a government official and the U.N.’s refugee agency.

    Thailand has a total registered population of 438,821 stateless people – those who are not considered citizens of any nation due to different circumstances, the agency says. According to the International Observatory on Statelessness, the exact number of stateless people in Thailand is unknown, but likely ranges between 2 to 3.5 million.

    Under the resolution adopted Dec. 7 by Thailand’s military government, 80,000 people – mostly children of migrants and displaced people – would be eligible to apply for naturalization.

    “Some 80,000 children and youths will benefit from the cabinet resolution that was passed recently. This will reduce the statelessness in Thailand,” Grisada Boonrach, permanent secretary of the Ministry of Interior, told BenarNews on Friday.

    Thailand’s stateless population includes Rohingya Muslims from Myanmar and members of the Karen, Mon, Hmong and other hill tribes, who cannot vote, buy land, get legal jobs or travel freely, according to the website of the International Observatory.

    To obtain citizenship, Grisada said, eligible applicants will need to meet one of the following criteria: they were born in Thailand to parents from ethnic minority groups, registered by the Ministry of Interior, and have lived in Thailand for no less than 15 years; or they were born in Thailand to members of foreign groups and have graduated from university.

    If they have not graduated yet, the ministry shall consider each case on an individual basis, Grisada explained.

    Abandoned children whose parents are unknown can apply too if they are certified as such by a relevant agency under the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security, and have lived in Thailand for no less than 10 years, he said.


    More at the link.
    https://www.benarnews.org/english/ne...016172431.html

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    My gal may test positive. No not HIV you silly cnuts. Can't rub that off. Can you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    who cannot vote, buy land, get legal jobs or travel freely,

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    eligible applicants will need to meet one of the following criteria: they were born in Thailand to parents from ethnic minority groups, registered by the Ministry of Interior, and have lived in Thailand for no less than 15 years; or they were born in Thailand to members of foreign groups and have graduated from university.
    So children under 15 don't qualify and those over 15 need to have been registered with the ministry, or to have graduated from uni.
    Call me sceptical, but I think those criteria will rule out quite a few of them. What's with the university criterion? A cynic might say that the authorities are simply ensuring that statelessness continues. We can't have people we look down upon rubbing shoulders with real Thai, can we.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    So children under 15 don't qualify and those over 15 need to have been registered with the ministry, or to have graduated from uni.
    Call me sceptical, but I think those criteria will rule out quite a few of them. What's with the university criterion? A cynic might say that the authorities are simply ensuring that statelessness continues. We can't have people we look down upon rubbing shoulders with real Thai, can we.
    Children do not get Thai ID until they are 15 anyway and current under 15s can apply when they get to 15 .
    I have a 12 year old family member who is stateless and half felang and she is going through the process of getting Thai ID and another family member has already received it .
    Many non ethnic Thais have been given Thai ID and its not too difficult to get , as long as you can prove that you were born in Thailand and went to school here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Children do not get Thai ID until they are 15
    Loads of bollix, like all of Flukes post. It is compulsory for ID cards to be issued at the age of 7. They're issued at the local Amphur and free. Only restriction is they are not valid outside of the Amphur locality. Reason why stateless people are restricted on where they can travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Loads of bollix, like all of Flukes post. It is compulsory for ID cards to be issued at the age of 7. They're issued at the local Amphur and free. Only restriction is they are not valid outside of the Amphur locality. Reason why stateless people are restricted on where they can travel.
    Load of bollix from you , I.D cards are routinely issued at 15 years of age , although they can be applied from the age of 7 , if the kids need them .
    Yes, there was a law bought in a few years ago stating that kids will be given ID cards at 7 years old , but they got swamped by applications and ran out of ID cards and decided NOT to make them compulsory , just make them available to kids who apply

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Load of bollix from you , I.D cards are routinely issued at 15 years of age , although they can be applied from the age of 7 , if the kids need them .
    Yes, there was a law bought in a few years ago stating that kids will be given ID cards at 7 years old , but they got swamped by applications and ran out of ID cards and decided NOT to make them compulsory , just make them available to kids who apply
    Complete bollix again from Fluke as one would expect from a tosser. ID CARDS ARE COMPULSORY FROM THE AGE OF 7 YEARS OLD.

    One of the more smaller news stories of recent weeks was the new Identification Card Act. A main aspect of the act was to issue ID cards to children as young as seven, where previously the mandatory age to carry identification was 15.
    In some areas of Thailand initially they were overwhelmed with applicants and had to bring in mobile units to cope with demand. But that was for Thai nationals whereas we're talking stateless people. So go fcuk youself you shit wanker of a father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Complete bollix again from Fluke as one would expect from a tosser. ID CARDS ARE COMPULSORY FROM THE AGE OF 7 YEARS OLD.

    In some areas of Thailand initially they were overwhelmed with applicants and had to bring in mobile units to cope with demand. But that was for Thai nationals whereas we're talking stateless people. So go fcuk youself you shit wanker of a father.
    fuck off wanker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    fuck off wanker
    Perhaps its you that should fuck off. Do us all a favor eh?

    From 2011.
    ID cards for children issued from July 10
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    Authorities are preparing to visit schools from next week to issue national identification cards for children aged between seven and 14 years old there.
    "Such preparations are included in our implementation plans," Department of Provincial Administration (DPA) deputy director-general Niran Kanlayanamit said yesterday.
    Starting from July 10, district offices will also issue national identification cards for children. The move is in response to the 2011 National Identification Card Act, which requires that Thais aged between seven and 70 years carry the cards.
    Of the Thai population, about 8 million are between seven and 14 years old. Before this act takes effect, only Thais above 15 years old age were required to carry national ID cards.
    "It will be easier for children to access government services. They can just produce their national identification cards alone. No need to carry birth certificates and household registrations," Niran said, "It will also lower the risk of Thai children's identity being stolen by alien children".

    -- The Nation 2011-07-07










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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Perhaps its you that should fuck off. Do us all a favor eh?

    You can fuck off as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    You can fuck off as well
    Happily.

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    Punk Flake hates to be proved wrong.... But he is an expert in that respect. Vacant just like an empty motel room.

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