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Old 09-05-2013, 06:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Indonesia : Homosexuals in Aceh face 100 lashes

Homosexuals in Aceh face 100 lashes
9 May 2013

Gay and lesbian people in the conservative Indonesian province of Aceh could be subjected to 100 public lashes with a rattan cane, under a bylaw proposed by the provincial capital’s deputy governor.


A man convicted of gambling stands on stage to be whipped by the sharia police executioner in Aceh, Indonesia. Aceh is the only province in Indonesia that follows sharia law and uses lashing as punishment for sharia violations. A draft bylaw in the province is now proposing 100 lashes as a punishment for gay people.

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The Aceh Legislative Council (DPRA) is currently discussing proposed changes to the province’s bylaws.

The discussions have prompted Banda Aceh Deputy Mayor Illiza Sa’aduddin Djamal to brand homosexuality “a social disease that should be eradicated”, arguing that new bylaws are necessary to punish sexual behaviour deemed unacceptable under Islamic sharia law.

She said that authorities are unable to punish same-sex couples under current regulations, according to the Jakarta Globe, warning that police struggle to crack-down on couples who meet in secret.

“There is no law that could be used to charge them,” Illiza said. “The existing [regulations] only stipulate about khalwat [being in close proximity] for intimate relations between unmarried males and females.”

The deputy mayor said she was prompted to propose the new bylaws after a 2012 survey on at-risk communities and HIV/Aids transmission in Aceh showed some respondents told researchers that they were gay.

“If we ignore it, it will be like an iceberg,” Illiza said. “Even if one case of homosexuality is found, it’s already a problem… we are really concerned about the behaviour and activities of the gay community, because their behaviour is deviating from the Islamic sharia.”

A gay rights activist condemned the proposals as “a move backward for civilisation”.

“We’re living in 2013, not in the Middle Ages,” said Hartoyo, secretary-general of Our Voice, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) advocacy group.

“It’s sad to have a deputy mayor who could think that way… other countries have started to allow homosexual marriage, why coming up with such an idea to punish the LGBT [community]?”

Hartoyo questioned whether sharia police could find sufficient evidence to convict same-sex couples under the proposed bylaw.

“[Even] the definition of adultery under Islam is hard to prove,” Hartoyo said.

“To punish the adulterer there should be four witnesses who saw with their own eyes the penetration. How could we find four witnesses who clearly saw that?”

“Caning as a sentence is a punishment from the old ages. People are born as transgenders and homosexuals. What’s the reason to punish them? Punishing them means she could not appreciate God’s creations.”

Hartoyo said he plans to send the deputy mayor a letter criticising her view.

“I will probably send her a warning letter [saying] that what she did only publicly showed how stupid she is,” he said. “She’s intellectual and has access to the internet and other resources. To come up with that way of thinking is embarrassing.”

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Spray painting Mercs in Singapore and getting lashed OK.

Being lashed because you're a queer is OTT, IMHO.
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As if their buttocks arent sore enough already.
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so, any homophobes agree with the proposal?
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Dunno. Some S&M enthusiasts may well be booking flights out there right now.....
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“We’re living in 2013, not in the Middle Ages,” said Hartoyo, secretary-general of Our Voice, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) advocacy group.

“It’s sad to have a deputy mayor who could think that way… other countries have started to allow homosexual marriage, why coming up with such an idea to punish the LGBT [community]?”

Hartoyo questioned whether sharia police could find sufficient evidence to convict same-sex couples under the proposed bylaw.

“[Even] the definition of adultery under Islam is hard to prove,” Hartoyo said.

“To punish the adulterer there should be four witnesses who saw with their own eyes the penetration. How could we find four witnesses who clearly saw that?”
Mr. Hartoyo better pick the 5 people at his next gay orgy very carefully!
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The topic is more suitable for islamophobic responses than homophobic ones.

I doubt even the most extreme homo haters would want to have them publicly flogged like that.
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Don't speak too soon.
Medicine rarely tastes nice , if the 100 lashes helps them get better , then all well and good, and even if they don't quiet get cured it will put thier disease generating arses out of action for a while ...

if 100 don't cure them , why not up the dose ?
200 , 300 , ?

Tough love from the caring canning government !!
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Will Shariah law slowly creep across to Jakarta? Doesn't SWilly live there? Must be worrying for him.
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The topic is more suitable for islamophobic responses than homophobic ones.

I doubt even the most extreme homo haters would want to have them publicly flogged like that.
Yes, but you can expect that kind of over-defensive response from Andy.
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100 is quite much, 50 would likely have more popular support
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100 could easily kill a man.
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^is that so wrong? So can poo down the japs eye, and AIDS
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if the 100 lashes helps them get better ,
Seriously? You think gay people are ill, and that beating them will make them "better"?
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Punishing someone just for having a disorder is totally counter- productive.


Rather, I think the government should try to understand the physiological or psychological causes of homosexuality and effect therapeutic treatment.

Homosexuals, like anyone else, should only be punished if they are caught deliberately breaking a law.

So if you are in a country that gives you 10 lashes for chewing gum, then I suggest you don't chew gum!

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They don't claim it's a medical condition, but a social disease. Who knows, might have a point. Gays are suddenly all over the place, and this doesn't suggest natural causes.
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For the unenlightened, go to any current journal or publication on the subject of homosexuality and read.
There you'll be surprised to discover that after 60 years of research into the subject, clinicians, bio-chemists and psychologists have come to the conclusion that homsexuality is not a choice but a condition developed by the foetus during gestation.

The usual flow of testosterone into the developing foetus is inhibited by a surge of adrenalin in the mother during times of stress as gestation proceeds.

A lowering of testosterone during gestation causes the foetus to become less robust, and more gracile, so that the developed neo-nate will tend to display more gracile features than normal.
This condition has increased over the last two generations as stress has increased in global society, with the highest incidence of homosexuality overt or covert displayed in societies that suffer a higher incidence of social trauma, such as war.

Female as well as male infants show these more gracile traits, which have no apparent deliterious effects on the females but male infants quickly develope feminine tendencies as they mature although still having male physiology, they develope into homosexuals.

The condition is hormomally driven, not genetically.

The developed male in this instance has no choice in the matter, his feelings and behaviour will be more effeminate and gay. Whether he expresses the fact or suppresses it depends on his ongoing social conditioning.

To say that it's perfectly natural is to ignore the obvious, that the condition is caused by a hormonal imbalance during gestation as a result of a stressed environment.

Similarly, foetal alcohol syndrome is triggered by stress developed in the mother during gestation causing a growth hormone imbalance. In this situation, removing the cause (alcohol) results in fewr such defects in the developing foetus.

Removing anxiety producing stress from the environment of gestating females also results in a reduction of homosexual tendencies in males.

So, until society developes in more peaceful ways, or the hormonal imbalance during gestation is countered by increasing testosterone, the condition known as male homosexuality will follow its current trend.
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Ent - exactly. However, the bigots won't read all of that. Wonder how many of them are repressed gays? most of them I assume.
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A high proportion will be.
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More Muslim barbarity.

(Blue must be really confused about now)
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They don't claim it's a medical condition, but a social disease. Who knows, might have a point. Gays are suddenly all over the place, and this doesn't suggest natural causes.
What do you mean 'suddenly all over the place'?
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Oh, dear, an anti gay post by malicious was just deleted.
Have the fags infiltrated the mods room?
Will there be coup and this place will become a pedo/gay forum like TV?
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Very likely.
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For the unenlightened, go to any current journal or publication on the subject of homosexuality and read.
There you'll be surprised to discover that after 60 years of research into the subject, clinicians, bio-chemists and psychologists have come to the conclusion that homsexuality is not a choice but a condition developed by the foetus during gestation.

The usual flow of testosterone into the developing foetus is inhibited by a surge of adrenalin in the mother during times of stress as gestation proceeds.

A lowering of testosterone during gestation causes the foetus to become less robust, and more gracile, so that the developed neo-nate will tend to display more gracile features than normal.
This condition has increased over the last two generations as stress has increased in global society, with the highest incidence of homosexuality overt or covert displayed in societies that suffer a higher incidence of social trauma, such as war.

Female as well as male infants show these more gracile traits, which have no apparent deliterious effects on the females but male infants quickly develope feminine tendencies as they mature although still having male physiology, they develope into homosexuals.

The condition is hormomally driven, not genetically.

The developed male in this instance has no choice in the matter, his feelings and behaviour will be more effeminate and gay. Whether he expresses the fact or suppresses it depends on his ongoing social conditioning.

To say that it's perfectly natural is to ignore the obvious, that the condition is caused by a hormonal imbalance during gestation as a result of a stressed environment.

Similarly, foetal alcohol syndrome is triggered by stress developed in the mother during gestation causing a growth hormone imbalance. In this situation, removing the cause (alcohol) results in fewr such defects in the developing foetus.

Removing anxiety producing stress from the environment of gestating females also results in a reduction of homosexual tendencies in males.

So, until society developes in more peaceful ways, or the hormonal imbalance during gestation is countered by increasing testosterone, the condition known as male homosexuality will follow its current trend.
Where did you cut and paste that from?
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