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    Quote Originally Posted by funcrew View Post
    I try to read mostly UK news about USA topics. Easier to take than the opposite fringe positions of Fox or CNN.
    As of late, the British Press is more un-biased towards USA news than say NYT or LA times etc. And especially, less biased than CNN

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    Poll Farce: Pew Oversamples Democrats to Boost Obama



    by John Nolte 2 Aug 2012


    On what alternate universe will Democrats enjoy a D +19 turnout advantage over Republicans on election day? Well, that would be Planet Pew:


    The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted July 16-26, 2012, among 2,508 adults, including 1,956 registered voters, finds that, in keeping with his favorability advantage, Obama continues to hold a sizable lead over Romney in the election contest. Currently, 51% say they support Obama or lean toward him, while 41% support or lean toward Romney.

    Except….
    Sample Size:
    459 Republicans
    813 Democrats
    599 Independents

    In the best election season Democrats have enjoyed since Nixon resigned, 2008, the Democrat advantage was only D+8, but Pew is now attempting to hustle us into believing the turnout this year is going to be D +19.

    The internals make even less sense. According to the same Pew poll that has Obama up by 10 nationally, he's only ahead by 4 in the swings states, but he's losing to Romney with independents 45-43%.

    As if that doesn’t make Pew look ridiculous enough, The Economist released a new national poll today with a slightly less absurd sample of D +10, but they show Romney in the lead, 46-44%.

    And this is the third intentionally skewed media-poll dropped on us in just a few days. Last week NBC dropped a D +11, and just a couple of days ago, Quinnipiac and The New York Times dropped three swing state polls with absurdly skewed partisan samples. Both showed Obama in the lead and both allowed the media to give our failed president more than a few positive news-cycles and Romney all kinds of phony concern-trolling.

    And yet, today, Rasmussen has Romney up by two nationally, and Gallup only has Romney behind by two. Rasmussen uses the tighter screen of likely voters and Gallup uses the less reliable screen of registered voters.

    I know who I believe.

    Moreover, Gallup just released a survey that shows Democrat voter enthusiasm is at its lowest point in years, and Republican enthusiasm is a full 12 points higher. But according to these whack jobs at Pew, Democrats will still almost triple their advantage in 2012.

    So what's going on here?

    Well, it's very simple.

    This is nothing more than an act of intentional juicing to keep The Narrative alive that says Obama is winning and that Romney can't get his act together. You see, it works like this…

    The only way our failed president can win is if Romney is disqualified; if voters don’t see him as an acceptable alternative. So if the media and their pollsters can bedevil him with nonsense -- fabricated gaffes, audacious lies, D +19 sample sizes -- it keeps Romney on his heels, on defense, and smothers his ability to get his message out. In other words, it makes Romney look incompetent, and if Romney looks incompetent, the American people won’t hire him, no matter how much they want to fire Obama -- and they are desperate to fire Obama, believe me.

    The timing of this juiced poll is also likely not an accident. Tomorrow the July job numbers come out, so what better way to distract from what will likely be bad news for Obama than with an absurdly skewed poll that allows the corrupt media to squirrel the job numbers and go right back to talking about Romney's inability to run a competent campaign? A perfect pivot…

    Gee, Andrea, with these lousy job numbers, Romney really should be ahead, but he just can’t get his act together.

    My friend Guy Benson of Townhall made a great point during a segment we just finished recording for his Sunday radio show -- that a heck of a lot more people are going to see and hear headlines that read "Obama Up By 10" than the analysis exposing the poll as a farce.

    So beyond The Narrative-plus Obama wins in the media over the next few days, Pew's cooking of the books also keeps Obama artificially ahead in the Real Clear Politics poll of polls, gives the media something to distract from tomorrow's jobs numbers, and demoralizes Republicans unaware of the juiced internals.
    Win-win-win-win, baby!

    There's nothing Obama can’t accomplish with the Media-Poll Propaganda Machine dialed up to 10.

    NOTE: I called and left a message to get a comment from Pew. As of this writing no one has called me back.



    Poll Farce: Pew Oversamples Democrats to Boost Obama






    Like Dick Morris said if you dig into the polls you can tell which ones are credible.
    Last edited by attaboy; 11-08-2012 at 09:31 AM.

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    As if we didn't need another example, eh? "For two straight days, now ABC, CBS, and NBC have not bothered to mention the roiling controversy over the lie-filled ad that Obama's Super PAC put out intimating that Mitt Romney killed a steel worker's wife. The ad is being called the nastiest, most misleading ad of this election cycle by newspapers, talk radio and even the cable news stations."

    Heads In The Sand Or What?
    A Deplorable Bitter Clinger

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    how low will they go?

    well, let's take a look at rasmussen to find out.

    TIME has described Rasmussen Reports as a "conservative-leaning polling group".[69] According to Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political scientist who co-developed Pollster.com,[70] “He [Rasmussen] polls less favorably for Democrats, and that’s why he’s become a lightning rod." Franklin also said: "It’s clear that his results are typically more Republican than the other person’s results.”[50]

    The Center For Public Integrity listed "Scott Rasmussen Inc" as a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign.[71] The Washington Post reported that the 2004 Bush reelection campaign had used a feature on the Rasmussen Reports website that allowed customers to program their own polls, and that Rasmussen asserted that he had not written any of the questions or assisted Republicans.[48]

    Rasmussen has received criticism over the wording in its polls.[72][73] Asking a polling question with different wording can affect the results of the poll;[74] the commentators in question allege that the questions Rasmussen ask in polls are skewed in order to favor a specific response. For instance, when Rasmussen polled whether Republican voters thought Rush Limbaugh was the leader of their party, the specific question they asked was: "Agree or Disagree: 'Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican Party -- he says jump and they say how high.'"[73]
    Rasmussen Reports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    ^More spin by Breitbart. A gross exageration of the language and content of the ad which hasn't even appeared on TV.

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    ^ That Esquire article is a good read. It came out last March, not recently.

    Paul Ryan's Budget Is a Cowardly Political Joke, by Charles P. Pierce - Esquire

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    Flashback: Left-Leaning PolitiFact Named Democrats Claim Paul Ryan Wants To End Medicare The 2011 “Lie Of The Year”…


    And they’ve already started repeating it.


    Lie of the Year 2011: ‘Republicans voted to end Medicare’ — PolitiFact

    Republicans muscled a budget through the House of Representatives in April that they said would take an important step toward reducing the federal deficit. Introduced by U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the plan kept Medicare intact for people 55 or older, but dramatically changed the program for everyone else by privatizing it and providing government subsidies.
    Democrats pounced. Just four days after the party-line vote, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee released a Web ad that said seniors will have to pay $12,500 more for health care “because Republicans voted to end Medicare.”


    Rep. Steve Israel of New York, head of the DCCC, appeared on cable news shows and declared that Republicans voted to “terminate Medicare.” from the Agenda Project, a liberal group, said the plan would leave the country “without Medicare” and showed a Ryan look-alike pushing an old woman in a wheelchair off a cliff. And just last month, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi sent a fundraising appeal that said: “House Republicans’ vote to end Medicare is a shameful act of betrayal.”

    After two years of being pounded by Republicans with often false charges about the 2010 health care law, the Democrats were turning the tables.
    PolitiFact debunked the Medicare charge in nine separate fact-checks rated False or Pants on Fire, most often in attacks leveled against Republican House members.

    Now, PolitiFact has chosen the Democrats’ claim as the 2011 Lie of the Year.


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    Wanna great laugh this Wednesday morning? Check out how Wolf Blitzer (not the sharpest tool) literally destroys Debbie (Sgt.) Shultz in her talking points:

    Brutal: CNN Torches DWS on Medicare Falsehoods

    Let me say this right up front: Congratulations to Wolf Blitzer for being a . If you value the truth, this interview is a pleasure to watch. If you have even an ounce of human compassion for the in-over-her-head target of Blitzer's inquisition, it's positively brutal:

    DNC Chair Gets Blitzed By Wolf On False Medicare Attacks - YouTube

    You gotta give Blitzer credit this time. He would not let her spin her lies and usual talking points. He made her admit that anyone over 55 was not affected by this now. It was sure painful getting there, but she did have to admit it. Almost feel sorry for the poor schmuck, eh?

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    ^Ryan's plan could be implemented at any time. The only reason the republicans want to phase this in slowly is because they know they would be murdered at the polls. Its a ploy to avoid getting slammed by the voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham
    Whaaa? You think the Reid-led Senate or Obama would pass Ryan's bill?
    I don't think the house would pass it at the moment, it seems to be getting more toxic by the day.

    Remember the kerfuffle over that other budget when Repubs expected it to fail and then freaked out when it looked like it was going to pass because the Dems were voting 'present' instead of 'no' so they had to go change their votes to be against it too?

    http://politics.gather.com/viewArtic...81474979229300

    A house vote on the Ryan fiasco would probably end up like that if Boehner was stupid enough to let it come to the floor this close to the general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
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    Whaaa? You think the Reid-led Senate or Obama would pass Ryan's bill?
    What an idiotic comment. If Romney gets elected you don't think the plan has a good chance of being implemented?
    during the primaries romney said he would sign it if it crossed his desk. there were no 'ifs' 'ands' or 'buts'......he said he'd sign it.

    and this is partly why i'm beginning to think this election is essentially over before it really even gets started.

    romney is now tied to the ryan budget by word (what he said during the primaries) and by deed (selecting ryan as VP).....undoubtedly he'll try to flip-flip, but the oldsters aren't going to take a chance on having these two hucksters destroy medicare and social security.

    romney has run one of the most confounding campaigns i've ever witnessed....and once it's over and we can see the wreckage, it may be judged as the most inept.

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    Denver Post Removes Biden's 'Chains' Comment from AP Story

    Colorado residents who get their news from the print edition of The Denver Post must be scratching their heads this morning. Why is everyone talking about Vice President Joe Biden's comments about "chains?"

    You'll have to forgive them.
    Denver's paper of record did more than bury an Associated Press story recalling how Biden said the GOP was "going to put y'all back in chains" to a crowd full of black Virginia residents on page 20A in its Nation & World section. The paper routinely highlights negative stories about Mitt Romney while ignoring or burying news that does President Barack Obama no favors.
    The newspaper also edited out the most important line in the Vice President's address.


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    It's getting worse. Thank God for the 'alternative' media, eh?

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    Look Who the Press Is Blaming for the Ugly Campaign.

    “What a surprise. Mitt Romney finally throws a counterpunch to a series of outrageous Obama campaign lies, and the press accuses Romney of going negative. The media’s pro-Obama bias is a wonder to behold.”

    Pretty amazing, eh? In other words, the Left is deep into that flop/sweat mode!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by funcrew View Post
    I try to read mostly UK news about USA topics. Easier to take than the opposite fringe positions of Fox or CNN.
    As of late, the British Press is more un-biased towards USA news than say NYT or LA times etc. And especially, less biased than CNN
    They're all subjective with their respective agendas, Booners.
    Universally leaning support of the establishment and general accepted convention.

    It would be more interesting to ask: What makes this news source liberal or conservative?

    Corporate media will always be homogenous as brethren.
    No one here, as of yet, has even touched upon true "alternative" info - be it right or left....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    No one here, as of yet, has even touched upon true "alternative" info - be it right or left....
    The true 'alternative' media if you want to call it that is the interweb where one can pull up 'both sides' in short order and form decisions rather than, for example, be fed a constant progressive line from the Lamestream Media.

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    It's really cool when someone like John Sununu bitchslaps one of the Libtards in the Lamestream Media.

    Sununu Pimp Slaps Liberal Muppet on CNN - YouTube

    Liberal mouthpiece gets called out on her bullshit on CNN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    No one here, as of yet, has even touched upon true "alternative" info - be it right or left....
    The true 'alternative' media if you want to call it that is the interweb where one can pull up 'both sides' in short order and form decisions rather than, for example, be fed a constant progressive line from the Lamestream Media.
    I wouldn't call that [what you refer to] as progressive - corporate media.
    Mainstream works for the same boss.
    They're far too clever for the populous, creating divisiveness where there isn't any, manufacturing opposing political philosophies that really don't exist.

    They're very good at what they do.
    Dumbing down.
    Fabricating pre-disposed "political" identities.
    Playing one against the other......when there truly isn't an "other"

    Most of the [already] catatonic population eats it up with gusto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Look Who the Press Is Blaming for the Ugly Campaign.

    “What a surprise. Mitt Romney finally throws a counterpunch to a series of outrageous Obama campaign lies, and the press accuses Romney of going negative. The media’s pro-Obama bias is a wonder to behold.”

    Pretty amazing, eh? In other words, the Left is deep into that flop/sweat mode!
    It's amazing, Boon. Our president's conduct has been outrageous. It demonstrates he has no respect for the office he holds and it demonstrates he has no respect for our country's institutions.

    And the media when skimming the president's conduct they must throw Romney in as if the two are equaling appalling in their behavior. The media cannot let the president stand alone in their condemnation.

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    MSNBC’s Touré, a supposed racial expert who can spot racism in most inanimate objects, most Yiddish phrases, and all English words, has now declared that Mitt Romney is engaged in the “niggerization” of Barack Obama. What exactly did Romney do to earn this reprehensible slur? He said that Obama, whose campaign has already called Romney a racist, a sexist, a felon, and a murderer, should “take [his] campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago.”

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    What a guy, eh?

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    I force myself to watch some msm "news" every day to see what kinda Kool-aid they're feeding the masses.


    It seems that a lot of people have the same opinion, but than referring to "Fox News".

    Is there some alternative to get some unbiased news ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambik View Post
    Is there some alternative to get some unbiased news ?
    Good question. Back in the day watching Uncle Walter we were subjected to the liberal line 100% of the time. As well as all big city newspaper editorial policies. Today there's just Fox News with a differing editorial policy and the Left can't stand it. In terms of a totally un-biased news source? Some say the Christian Science Monitor is one but it's also a real boring read.

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    ^
    Thanks, however on base of the name of this news organization it doesn't seem to be totally unbiased.

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    Keep in mind that MSNBC was started to be a counterpoint to fox news. The toilet that fox news is needed a counterpoint and there never was one before. The reality is that American politics have veered so heavily to the right that any retarded rightwing sicko can post up a blog and have a voice and dumb and dumber will jump on board. There are people on this forum who cut and paste those pure pieces of shit as if they were holy nuggets. Sad indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambik
    Thanks, however on base of the name of this news organization it doesn't seem to be totally unbiased.
    Oddly the name isn't a good indication of the way they report, it's the Christian Science Monitor not the Vatican Newsletter or the Southern Baptist Listen-To-Us-Or-You're-Going-To-Hell email circular.

    As BM noted it's usually rather boring and dry reporting, but it's hard to discern bias in the news articles, I haven't read the editorials on the site so maybe there is some bias in those.

    The Economist is my favourite news source. If you read the comments on there they seem to get bitched at from both sides about equally so they are probably doing something right!

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