Thread: North tests its first ever nuke

Let's see what the US is going to do about it.

When Gen. Sonthi took over Thaksin's gov't a few weeks ago, the American gov't was too quick to stop aid for Thailand. When Musharraf took over a democratic gov't in Pakistan, the American gov't accelerated its aid to the country.

Now that North has tested its first ever nuke, what would the American gov't do. IMHO nukes with Kim ain't a good sign. The guy's a nutcase and might risk the whole world.

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea said Monday it had performed its first-ever nuclear weapons test, setting off an underground blast in defiance of international warnings and intense diplomatic activity aimed at heading off such a move.
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The North Korean statement said there was no radioactive leakage from the test site.
An official at South Korea's seismic monitoring center confirmed a magnitude-3.6 tremor felt at the time North Korea said it conducted the test was not a natural occurrence. The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition his name not be used, because he was not authorized to talk about the sensitive information to the media.
Australia also said there was seismic confirmation that North Korea conducted a nuclear test.
However, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said that information still needs to be collected and analyzed to determine whether North Korea truly conducted its first nuclear test.
Japan's top government spokesman said if confirmed, the North Korean test would post a serious threat to the stability in the region and a provocation.
China, the North's closest ally, said Beijing "resolutely opposes" the North Korean nuclear test and hopes Pyongyang will return to disarmament talks.
U.S. and South Korean officials could not immediately confirm the report.
South Korea's Defense Ministry said the alert level of the military had been raised in response to the claimed nuclear test.
The U.N. Security Council is expected to discuss the reported North Korean test on Monday, and the United States and Japan are likely to press for a resolution imposing additional sanctions on Pyongyang.
A resolution adopted in July after a series of North Korean missile launches imposed limited sanctions on North Korea and demanded that the reclusive communist nation suspend its ballistic missile program — a demand the North immediately rejected.
The resolution bans all U.N. member states from selling material or technology for missiles or weapons of mass destruction to North Korea — and it bans all countries from receiving missiles, banned weapons or technology from Pyongyang.
The North said last week it would conduct a test, sparking regional concern and frantic diplomatic efforts aimed at dissuading Pyongyang from such a move. North Korea has long claimed to have nuclear weapons, but had never before performed a known test to prove its arsenal.
The North's official Korean Central News Agency said the underground test was performed successfully.
"It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the ... people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," the KCNA statement said.
"It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."
South Korean intelligence officials said the seismic wave had been detected in North Hamkyung province, according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency. It said the test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (9:36 p.m. EDT Sunday) in Hwaderi near Kilju city on the northeast coast, citing defense officials.

North Korean scientists "successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions," the KCNA report said, adding this was "a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation."
The U.S. Geological Survey said it had detected no seismic activity in North Korea, although it was not clear whether a blast would be strong enough for its sensors.
On Sunday night, U.S. government officials said a wide range of agencies were looking into the report of the nuclear test, which officials were taking seriously.
South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun has convened a meeting of security advisers over the issue, Yonhap reported, and intelligence over the test has been exchanged between concerned countries.
Kyodo News agency reported that the Japanese government has set up a taskforce in response to reports of the test.
The North has refused for a year to attend international talks aimed at persuading it to disarm. The country pulled out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 2003 after U.S. officials accused it of a secret nuclear program, allegedly violating an earlier nuclear pact between Washington and Pyongyang. Speculation over a possible North Korean test arose earlier this year after U.S. and Japanese reports cited suspicious activity at a suspected underground test site.

Well a good news for North Koreans and bad news for America (the country with the most nukes), south Korea, Japan and etc etc.

The point is lets see what America will do??

No country will do anything except complain about this test. Big deal, "We strongly condemn this act." Yeah, the UN is nothing more than a pompous condemnation society. It would smack of the worst kind of hypocrisy to take any action against this.

You are right, Surasak. Expecting the UN to do anything is a bit like waiting for Kerux to post an intelligent thread.

WHo could invade a country with a million plus soldiers waiting for them?

Nobody has the power to do it anymore.

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

WHo could invade a country with a million plus soldiers waiting for them?

Nobody has the power to do it anymore.

china has about 2 million odd soldiers.I spose they could also get some more on a few weeks notice.

Originally Posted by Macha

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The North Korean statement said there was no radioactive leakage from the test site.

I'm a bit concerned about the secret code after the stuff in blue. Do you think they are spying on us?

I have to tell you guys that I saw the North Korean military training (sp?) on a CD that my North Korean friend gave me. Man if America invades it's gonna be 100 thousand times worse than Iraq.

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by Milky

How is it good news for Kim Jong Il?

How is it bad new for the US?

I think you all know what the conservetive Japs did in Korea, China and many other countries in WWII. All my Chinese and North and South Korean friends hate the Japs. They cant forget what happened back then.

This anger and dislike of Japan is rhetoric and expressed by protests over the Shrine and "comfort women," history books, and past war crimes.

This angst (which I believe is justified) will not result in military, political, nor economic action.

It is a good news because I want to see America invade North Korea that has threatened U.S.A so many times?

There won't be an invasion for many reasons: not enough U.S. troops available, not enough funds, and too many South Korean civilians in Seoul and elsewhere will die when the tens of thousands of rockets pointed towards these population centers land.

The South Korean currency Won will take a hit and 10th largest economy in the world will be hit badly.

Won't be an invasion because it's 1. logistically not possible, and 2. economically not feasable.

If America doesn't invade then it means America killed millons in Iraq just for OIL.

I agree that Oil was one of the biggest reason for the U.S. attacking Iraq. Also, the U.S. thought it would be easy, and three, the top U.S. officials have stated on record that the invasion could be financed by the oil revenue.

They do hate the Japs althought it has got nothing to do with the topic just felt like telling you all.

Why Milky didn't North Korea threatened America??

Originally Posted by Mhz

They do hate them Japs althought it has got nothing to do with the topic just felt like telling you all.

I work will Koreans everyday. Not all of them hate the Japanese.

Saying they "hate the Japs" is oversimplifying the issue.

It's not a political or military issue.

Shinso Abe is different than Koizumi and it's Japan WITH South Korea, and to a small degree China in being opposed to North Korea.

Period.

This issue it about NOW.

Not the past.

Why Milky didn't North Korea threatened America??

What do you mean. Can you restate this? Thanks.

By saying that I mean that I remeber North Joreans saying that a pre emptive strike is not only America's policy, we will not hesitate to attack and blah blah blah.

Saddam never said he wanted to attack America... but still they are being bombed. Funny??

^ Equating North Korea with Iraq is mixing Apples and Oranges.

I agree with you on the hypocrisy and lies by the U.S.

But North Korea is a very complicated matter, and a very different one, altogether.

Originally Posted by milky

I work will Koreans everyday. Not all of them hate the Japanese.

Saying they "hate the Japs" is oversimplifying the issue.

It's not a political or military issue.

I study with Koreans and Chinese, eat with koreans and Chinese, drink with koreans and Chinese and we always hang around together.

I know it is not a political issue but the funny part is that the biggest war criminal during WWII i.e. Japan's emporer never got punished. Thats one of the factors that fuel the anger.

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Originally Posted by milky

I work will Koreans everyday. Not all of them hate the Japanese.

Saying they "hate the Japs" is oversimplifying the issue.

It's not a political or military issue.

Mhz:

I study with Koreans and Chinese, eat with koreans and Chinese, drink with koreans and Chinese and we always hang around together.

These are students. Most of these students are very naiive. They've also supported Kim Dae Jung and now, Roh.

I know it is not a political issue but the funny part is that the biggest war criminal during WWII i.e. Japan's emporer never got punished. Thats one of the factors that fuel the anger.

Not punishing Hirohito was done in large part by McArthur.

Originally Posted by Mhz

I know it is not a political issue but the funny part is that the biggest war criminal during WWII i.e. Japan's emporer never got punished. Thats one of the factors that fuel the anger.

If the Japs dug him up and gave him a good beating, do you think the Koreans and Chinese would feel better about it?

Korean border

4.30pm Tuesday October 10, 2006
By Ben Blanchard


DANDONG, CHINA - China has cancelled leave for troops along at least part of the border with North Korea, a mainland-controlled Hong Kong newspaper reported today, a day after the North announced a nuclear test.

The Wen Wei Po said Chinese People’s Liberation Army troops ranged along the border in northeast China’s Jilin province “have had leave totally cancelled” and some forces were conducting “anti-chemical” training exercises.

But trains between the two countries appeared to be running as normal.

Officials and businessmen in Dandong, a bustling Chinese border city that looks across the Yalu River to North Korea, told Reuters that traffic across a bridge between the two countries would halt today except for special official cars.

A customs official said the main customs posts on North Korea’s border with China would shut to most traffic, restricting one of the isolated North’s key portals to the outside world.

It was unclear whether the moves were prompted by Pyongyang’s reported nuclear test and the strikingly sharp condemnation it drew from China, its longtime partner and aid-provider.

Beijing condemned the test as “brazen” and Chinese President Hu Jintao warned the North and other powers against escalating the crisis.

In a phone call with US President George W Bush, Hu warned North Korea “not to take any more actions that may worsen the situation”, according to the official Xinhua news agency.

But Hu, who was feted as a friend of North Korea when he visited late last year, said there was still room for negotiations to end North Korea’s nuclear weapons ambitions.

“China has consistently advocated denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula and opposed nuclear proliferation, arguing for peaceful settlement of the Korean nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiation,” Hu said.

China’s 1400-km border with impoverished North Korea is guarded by troops on both sides.

The two communist neighbours are long-time allies, and in past years one of the Chinese troops’ main tasks has been stopping North Korean refugees crossing into China, where they seek work or asylum in other countries.

Chinese commentators left no mistake that North Korea’s nuclear announcement had badly bruised relations.

“North Korea’s holding of a nuclear test has offended China and put China in a very awkward diplomatic spot,” Xu Guangyu of the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association told Ta Kung Pao, a Beijing-backed Hong Kong paper.

North Korea “humiliated China” by carrying out a nuclear test in defiance of Beijing’s requests to curb its nuclear weapons ambitions, Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said.

Downer summoned North Korea’s ambassador in Australia, Chon Jae Hong, to his parliament house office for a protest meeting today, telling him “North Korea had humiliated the Chinese government”.

“It was one thing to be offensive to the United States, Britain and Australia and their allies. But it is another thing to treat the Chinese, who have been such stalwart supporters of North Korea for such a long time, in this way,” Downer said.

“The Chinese government had been working intensely to try and stop this testing from taking place.”

Chon said the test was conducted “to defend the supreme national interest and security of our nation”.

“We are under extreme threat from the US of a nuclear war,” he told reporters ahead of his meeting with Downer.

World powers condemned North Korea on Monday after it said it had conducted its first underground nuclear test, and Washington sought harsh UN sanctions that could further isolate the communist state.

US President George W Bush called it a “provocative act” that threatened international peace and security and said it required an immediate response from the UN Security Council.

Downer said Australia would back UN sanctions and would ban North Korean officials visiting Australia, which is one of the few countries to have diplomatic ties with Pyongyang. But Australia would not expel Chon or cut off diplomatic ties.

He said Australia had confirmed the test, but he stopped short of confirming whether nuclear material was involved, saying details were still being analysed.

“There is some question about the size of the test and, if you like, the nature of the test,” he said. “We can conclude at this stage safely that this was a very small device by the standards of nuclear devices.”

The test was a sharp blow to Chinese President Hu Jintao’s doctrine of using economic incentives and diplomatic coaxing to avert North Korea’s drive to become a nuclear weapons state.

“China had always supported North Korea. Eighty per cent of North Korea’s aid comes from China, 50 per cent of North Korea’s trade is with China,” said Downer.

“The North Koreans have treated China extremely shabbily in this particularly situation.”

Well the same here Skulldigger. the first time I heard of Mcarthur was by my Korean friend while travelling. He hated him as well.

What the fuck is going on in here??

I posted at 5:59 pm whereas Skulldigger posted at 4:50 AM but still my post went above him.

^ Why did that South Korean hate McArthur?

The guy is lucky he isn't sitting in the dark, hungry for food.

You know, a strange situation here:

China supplies most of NK's fuel and food. The last thing China wants is a million refugees crossing into China. Mark China as doing nothing more than talk.

South Korea: SK is right in the path of the North's army and artillery. The last thing SK wants is any kind of military option to be used.

US: tied down militarily by a few thousand fighters ni Iraq and Afghanistan. U.S. left with no response other than talk. Not much of a superpower is it?

Japan: has no military but has more to lose than SK due to proximity and being an enemy of the Korean people (that's right, Korean: if NK attacks anyone first it'll be Japan). Look for Japan to change their tune and want a strategic nuclear rocket force.

Iran: It's a great day to be Iran. If the world does nothing to an isolated NK what chance does the world have of stopping the world's #3 oil exported from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Biggest winner of NK's test: Iran.