McCain Lost

**ChiangMai noon** · 07-10-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Polls are meaningless.

not at this stage and not when Obama is ahead in every kerry state by double figures.

he only needs 3 more and he's winning about 5 others with double figures.

it's game over brit.

i'll stake a fair chunk of money on it.

**Norton** · 07-10-2008, 08:10 PM

If Fox is predicting it's over, then it's over. I don't trust Fox to tell the truth so maybe Brit is right. Or, it's all a clever trick to make Obama over confident and slack off.

**ChiangMai noon** · 07-10-2008, 08:12 PM

Even Carl Rove says Obama has 273 senate seats locked in.

**pai nai ma** · 07-10-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

locked in.

He didnt say this.

**britmaveric** · 07-10-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Even Carl Rove says Obama has 273 senate seats locked in.

Odd since there are only 100 senate seats.

**Norton** · 07-10-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Odd since there are only 100 senate seats.

Think CMN meant electoral votes.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Even Carl Rove says Obama has 273 senate seats locked in.

Link CMN?

**ChiangMai noon** · 07-10-2008, 08:31 PM

He meant electoral votes I expect.

i'm new to the jargon.

unlike Brit, i'm not a wannabe american, just a very interested observer.

**barbaro** · 07-10-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

locked in.

He didnt say this.

What - DID - Rove say?

I don't see Rove saying anything toooo negative. I'll post a youtube now if I can find it, and edit in this post.

**ChiangMai noon** · 07-10-2008, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

What - DID - Rove say?

he has projected 273 electoral votes for Obama.

he might have said 'locked in' if the election was held today or some such.

either way, Mcain is fnuckled.

**Norton** · 07-10-2008, 09:35 PM

This from Rove's internet site.

"39 new state polls released in the first three days of October have given Barack Obama his first lead over the magic number of 270 since mid-July. Minnesota (10 EV) and New Hampshire (4 EV) both moved from toss-up to Obama, giving him 273 electoral votes to McCain’s 163, with 102 votes remaining as a toss-up. If the election were held today, Obama would win every state John Kerry won in 2004, while adding New Mexico (5 EV), Iowa (7 EV), and Colorado (9 EV) to his coalition."

Election 2008 :: Karl Rove

**pickel** · 07-10-2008, 09:59 PM

Never rule out electronic voting machines that leave no paper trail.

**Bung** · 07-10-2008, 11:42 PM

Where did I read

"Who will the American people vote for?"

"An old white war veteran or a black man?"

**HungryHeart** · 08-10-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Bung

Where did I read

"Who will the American people vote for?"

"An old white war veteran or a black man?"

Seems like the well educated half black man gets the nod.

**panama hat** · 08-10-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bung

Where did I read

"Who will the American people vote for?"

"An old white war veteran or a black man?"

Yup . . .

**Fstop** · 08-10-2008, 03:11 PM

It's the economy that hammered that final nail in the coffin. That bailout plan that couldn't have waited a month until after the election, so essentially GW helped Obama seize victory. The problem is that GW wants to leave somewhat of a legacy. I don't think he's worrying so much about the "R" word as he is about the "D" word. If he leaves office with America in a Depression, then he will have failed as President. In his eyes, the bailout plan was a quick fix. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it worked.

People remember how strong it was when Clinton was President, so in their minds, they are thinking "we need a democrat".

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