Barack Obama opts for ‘bare-knuckle fighter’ Joe Biden

**jandajoy** · 24-08-2008, 09:37 AM

From The Sunday Times

August 24, 2008

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4597173.ece

**pai nai ma** · 24-08-2008, 10:00 AM

Ah, let it be. Want to see how our cousins view this.

**britmaveric** · 24-08-2008, 10:32 AM

**Jet Gorgon** · 24-08-2008, 10:49 AM

Biden will probably help organise BO's death so he can be prez. Heck, Biden couldn't even get BO's name right in his first speech -- Barack Amera. Oops.

**Begbie** · 24-08-2008, 11:44 AM

^Glad you finally realise that Obama will be the next President.

Perhaps you can advise your fellow moonbats to cease the disrespectful comments about the next president of the USA or do we have to ask why they hate America.

**sabang** · 24-08-2008, 11:56 AM

JJ- your OP provides a Link to a news article, with no excerpts or further comment from yourself. We want to hear your opinions- good, bad, indifferent, whatever.

I think Biden was the clear pick- his strengths compliment Obamas weaknesses. Tim Kaine, for all of his personal attributes would just have turned the Democratic ticket into a 'Pretty boy' podium- they would have been ridiculed for this by the Republicans. Ditto the 'PC' ticket of Hillary & Obama- plus the Clinton baggage thrown in, and the fact they don't like each other. The other contenders were also-rans.

**jandajoy** · 24-08-2008, 12:18 PM

"What brings a man to the top is not superior ability but - much more often - an intense desire for success, that extra little ounce of ambition that is not quite sane."

C. Hollis. MP 1902-1977.

**Jet Gorgon** · 24-08-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Begbie

^Glad you finally realise that Obama will be the next President.

Perhaps you can advise your fellow moonbats to cease the disrespectful comments about the next president of the USA or do we have to ask why they hate America.

BO will never be prez, Beggers. And you are jilted. The moonbats are the lefties, like you.

**Begbie** · 24-08-2008, 03:04 PM

Oops sorry I meant raving moonbats

**sabang** · 24-08-2008, 03:18 PM

Strange, strange world- after 8 years of the abysmal Bush administration, supporting a Democrat Presidency will get you called a moonbat by the predictable few.

What Chutzpah.

**Accidental Ajarn** · 24-08-2008, 03:59 PM

I am not sure this was a smart move by Obama. It kind of deflates his whole "change" thing by going with an establishment figure for VP. But, we will see. Naturally Obama took a fairly left position in the primaries and is now moving towards the center for the general election.

Of course, like with Clinton, the “left” of the Democratic Party seems to stay in line and are appeased by rhetoric and don’t really require a candidate to carry through. So maybe it will turn out to be a good choice if it helps him win over some independents.

Oh well, it should be an interesting few months, I haven’t seen any recent polls but I assume it is still fairly tight with Obama with a lead?

**good2bhappy** · 24-08-2008, 04:31 PM

Osama 46%
Oven chips 43%

**Accidental Ajarn** · 24-08-2008, 04:36 PM

^

Oh, pretty close. Should get pretty nasty and entertaining after the conventions

**britmaveric** · 24-08-2008, 08:01 PM

Obama intro Biden as the next president - what a muppet!!!

**Accidental Ajarn** · 25-08-2008, 10:12 AM

"A new Gallup tracking poll released Sunday found Obama and McCain tied, each with the support of 45 percent of registered voters. Gallup said the immediate reaction to Obama's choice of Biden was "rather unenthusiastic" and that Obama "received no immediate benefit" in interviews conducted nationwide on Saturday."

As Democrats gather in Denver, Obama reassures Clinton backers - Yahoo! News

**britmaveric** · 25-08-2008, 10:22 AM

Poor Obama, well suppose he always has the senate where he can fade into obscurity as a do nothing blowhard.

**ChiangMai noon** · 25-08-2008, 10:48 AM

^
curious about you Brit.

you claim to be some sort of Welsh person, though I suspect you are a canadian.

why are you such a right wing seppo supporter?

what have they ever done for you?

**britmaveric** · 25-08-2008, 10:51 AM

all the way mate!!!

Yanks do pay me, so spose that might have smth to do with it.

**ChiangMai noon** · 25-08-2008, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Yanks do pay me

only the rabid republicans??

**britmaveric** · 25-08-2008, 10:57 AM

Nah most yank corps, hedge their wagers and support both sides.

**jandajoy** · 25-08-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by britmaveric

all the way mate!!!

Where abouts in Wales?

**britmaveric** · 25-08-2008, 10:59 AM

Cardigan

**El Gibbon** · 25-08-2008, 12:28 PM

Interestingly I think this choice will cause Obama more problems than the supposed International Affairs experience will be worth.

Lots of stuff on Joe's CV that ain't exactly pretty. You bet your ass the right wingers are digging very far into some of his missteps: such as plagiarism and some unseemly associations in the financial world. Its odd that a Senator from Delaware with minimal electoral college votes will be seen as a plus because he has "Penn. connections". He was born in Scranton same place as Hillary actually. What good does that do????

You can also bet that they are going back through all of his considerable Televised speeches, one liners, sound bites and interviews. He is and has always been a media hog and it will be his downfall. This is the second or third time he has lost big time in primary contests, there is a reason for that.

I do believe and wish that Obama could have chosen someone more inclined to a 'change' ideology than an 'old hand' political operative who brings a limited advantage to the campaign.

His supposed "job" is to be the hatchet man against Mcain, that, could easily backfire in my opinion.

But, Its just that.

Lest one forgets, the election is NOT by popular vote, although it often reflects that. The electoral college ( the ones who actually vote ) is determined by the number of House of Representative and Senate seats for each state, the minimum for each is 2, (I believe Delaware has a total of 4 votes). This system was written into the constitution as a compromise between electing the president by popular vote or a vote of the Senate, the senior of the two houses of the Congress. The campaigns will closely focus on those states that are deemed up for grabs. The rest of the states are basic fodder for Photo Ops and TV sound bites.

McCain can easily trump this selection if indeed it is based on delivering Penn. by selecting the ex-governor of the state Tom Ridge. Ridge is an accomplished and well liked moderate Republican who carries weight in local and national circles. Has real US gov. experience.

Sadly I see this as a first in missteps of an inexperienced Obama in the national political arena. This coming campaign is NOT to the leftist or even center left focus, it is all about those in the middle. Obama needs to refine his target thusly to run an effective campaign. Hope he is a fast learner, but his first decision wasn't in that vein.

E. G.

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