Thread: Tell us to kill, we will kill. Tell us to die we will die.

Tell us to kill, we will kill. Tell us to die we will die.
I guess that pretty much wraps it up. Would you trust people like this ?

In Ankara, celebrations for Erdogan mask a Turkish schism

Ankara (CNN)"Tell us to kill, we will kill. Tell us to die, we will die. Erdogan, Erdogan, Erdogan."

As chants in support of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan's declared victory echoed through the Turkish capital Sunday night, nearly half of the country's electorate mourned the loss of what they saw as an already crumbling democratic nation.
State-run Anadolu Agency reported a 51.4% victory for Erdogan's "Yes" campaign -- with 99.8% of the ballots counted -- although the Turkish Election Commission isn't expected to release the official results for up to another 10 days.
In Ankara, scores of AKP supporters filled the streets, beating drums and singing victory songs in Erdogan's name. Turkish flags created a sea of blurry red as convoys of cars moved through the city's streets, honking in support of the referendum result.
An ocean of supporters braved the pouring rain as Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım first delivered a message from the ruling Justice and Development Party's (AKP) headquarters in an effort to placate nearly half of the country who voted "No" to constitutional reforms that will give Erdogan unprecedented amounts of power.
"No one should have an offended or broken heart," Yıldırım said.
The atmosphere was one of contained chaos, as jubilant cries for Erdogan filled quieter breaks, respite from a loudspeaker that played the "Evet" or "Yes" campaign song on repeat for hours.
In Istanbul, Erdogan held a news conference that was broadcast to the soaked crowd.
"God willing, these results will be the beginning of a new era in our country," he said.
He further explained that the unofficial totals indicated that "Yes" votes had prevailed in the referendum he called "no ordinary vote."
Extraordinary it was.
As the polls began to close on Sunday afternoon, the Turkish Electoral Board announced that it would accept ballots that were missing official ballot commission stamps -- a move that Kemal Kilicdaroglu, leader of the main opposition party, the Republican People's Party (CHP), said "change(d) the rules in the middle of the game."
The opposition has called for a partial recount of about 37% of the votes, according to Erdal Aksunger of the CHP.
As the opposition raged against the electoral board, the atmosphere at the victory rally remained steadfast in their support for their leader, with tones echoing the rhetoric of Erdogan's nationalist, conservative case that's dealt an increasingly authoritative hand to dissenting voices since a failed coup attempt last July. Since then, 100,000 people have been detained; nearly 50,000 of them have been arrested.
But for Erdogan's supporters, he is invincible.
Guler Ozbicer crawled through crowds of thousands to speak with CNN. She wanted to reinforce the president's campaign message, which has called for national solidarity. "For one nation, one state, one flag, we are here," she said.
The idea of one nation, however, is far from the reality. The referendum vote as it stands -- split only by a slim amount -- speaks to the deepening fissure between a secular middle class, voters who once flourished under Erdogan's economic incentives, and a rapidly sweeping religious conservatism.
Opinion: Turkey's democracy died today
Still, those at the rally weren't shy to boast their support for Erdogan's fiercely conservative, nationalist rhetoric -- one that has strategically pivoted itself against both the main opposition and pro-Kurdish group HDP -- but also has butted heads with the European Union, a membership bid that has been put on hold indefinitely.
Aysel Can, an AKP women's branch member, was perched above the crowd, vigorously waving the red-crescent flag as the song of the "Yes" campaign blared in the background.
"For a strong Islamic state, for a strong Middle East, Turkey had to switch to this executive presidency system," she told CNN.
"This is a message to the world to shut up. Turkey is getting stronger. America has to know this, too. We are the voice, we are the ears, we are everything for the Middle East," she added.
Yasin Yalcin, 24, was celebrating the result at the AKP rally in Ankara with his friends. "This referendum is a new start and a new hope for us to get rid of foreign forces -- and to stand on our own two feet. Israel, America and Germany are creating pressure over our country to take our money away from us," he said.
Yusuf Basaran, a 20-year-old student, was celebrating on the street in front of the party headquarters with his friends. "Europe's spine has cracked. This referendum will be the most effective thing in the rebirth of the Ottoman Empire. Europe has to look at itself. We do not have to yield to torture."
For almost half of Turkey's 80 million citizens, the growing pains of the referendum outcome could be severe.
Dr. Ahmet Kasım Han, Associate Professor of International Relations at Istanbul's Kadir Has University, told CNN that regardless of the outcome of the referendum, it "reflects the profound polarization of Turkish society."
"Such changes should be opportunities that strengthen the social contract," Han says. "They had to be administered and structured as such. However, it seems equally true that the change which is voted in today doesn't seem to offer a remedy for such polarization, and there are fears that it in fact could deepen the political and social divide that Turkey has been suffering from."
As the votes trickled in earlier in the day, Feyza and Ender, both 33 and working in the financial sector, sat at a coffee shop in an upscale neighborhood near the rally that would take place later in the evening.
If the "Yes" vote won, they told CNN, they were planning to move abroad as they feared their civil liberties and secular lifestyle would disappear under Erdogan's new rule.
"I used to not be scared to give my opinions before, but now I am afraid to say anything. We can't imagine our future now. Let alone our children's," Feyza said.
Mehmet Suvari, 28, who considers himself a nationalist, was smoking hookah at an adjacent restaurant.
He predicted, "I don't think the supreme election board is fair, so even if the 'No' votes are higher than the 'Yes' votes, they have the power to manipulate the system to bring forward a 'Yes.'"
Dilay Yalcin contributed to this report.
In Ankara, celebrations for Erdogan mask a fractured Turkish society - CNN.com

Do we really need an explanation ?


Heard this today on Germany's street: "Tell us to kill, we will kill. Tell us to die, we will die. Erdogan, Erdogan, Erdogan."


European Union summons Turkey envoy over Erdogan safety remarks



BRUSSELS: The EU today summoned the Turkish envoy to explain President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's warning that Europeans risk being unsafe on the world's streets. "We have asked actually the Turkish permanent delegate to the EU to come... as we would like to receive an explanation with regard to the comments by President Erdogan concerning the safety of Europeans on the streets of the world," EU foreign affairs spokeswoman Maja Kocijancic said.
His remarks were made just hours before an attack outside the British parliament yesterday in which a car deliberately ran down pedestrians then the driver leapt out and stabbed a police officer, killing three people before being shot dead. In a speech in Ankara earlier in the day, Erdogan appeared to imply that Europeans risked receiving the same treatment he claims is endured by Turks and Muslims in Europe, though he did not elaborate.
"If you continue to behave like this, tomorrow in no part of the world, no European, no Westerner will be able to take steps on the street safely and peacefully," Erdogan said. Asked whether, in the wake of the London attack, the EU would ask Erdogan to stop making such comments, a European Commission spokesman declined to comment.
"Hours after the tragic events (in London), we are all very cautious on expressing value judgements, comments and generalisations at this very sensitive juncture," spokesman Margaritis Schinas said. Relations between Turkey and Europe have been severely strained since Turkish ministers were thwarted from campaigning on the continent for a 'yes' vote in next month's referendum on expanding Erdogan's powers.
Ankara has said such behaviour was reminiscent of Nazi Germany and also raised alarm over what it sees as rising racism and Islamophobia. Erdogan warned Europe that Turkey was "not a country to push, to prod, to play with its honour, to shove its ministers out of the door, drag its citizens on the floor."


European Union summons Turkey envoy over Erdogan safety remarks- The New Indian Express

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Do we really need an explanation ?


Heard this today on Germany's street: "Tell us to kill, we will kill. Tell us to die, we will die. Erdogan, Erdogan, Erdogan."

Erdogan warned Europe that Turkey was ,
"not a country to push, to prod,
to play with its honour,
to shove its ministers out of the door,
drag its citizens on the floor"

I can't believe it ! - These are lyrics from Eminem and Dr Dre's latest production (waiting to be released as early as Summer).

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

His remarks were made just hours before an attack outside the British parliament yesterday

How old is this "news"?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

a 51.4% victory for Erdogan's "Yes" campaign

Looks like he's more popular than Trump.
I have little doubt his supporters are of the Trumpette calibre, too.

Tell us to kill, we will kill. Tell us to die we will die.

Is this a thread about soldiers?

Maybe Erdogan is an Ottoman and he wants his empire back?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Tell us to kill, we will kill. Tell us to die we will die.
I guess that pretty much wraps it up. Would you trust people like this ?

Absolutely. Seem a pretty dedicated bunch to me. Are you trying to make some point that would make sense to any normal human?

Originally Posted by Passing Through

Tell us to kill, we will kill. Tell us to die we will die.

Is this a thread about soldiers?

Some call it islamofascism.

Trump congratulates Erdogan on vote

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/trump-erdogan-turkey-referendum.html

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Did you know that the word ‘idiot’ is actually derived from the origins of democracy in ancient Greece?
Thousands of years ago, a Greek citizen who demonstrated disinterest in politics was labeled ‘idiotes’; it literally meant ‘private person,’ which curiously enough was a term of derision at the time.
Fast forward to the pitiful excuse we have for a democratic process in the world today, and the opposite is now true: you have to be a complete idiot to invest yourself in these politics.

a statement so true today

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Maybe Erdogan is an Ottoman and he wants his empire back?

It's how he sees himself, as the next world caliph.