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    Russian Internet Bots and Their Use

    An Internet Bot, also known as web robot, WWW robot or simply bot, is a software application that runs automated tasks (scripts) over the Internet. Typically, bots perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive, at a much higher rate than would be possible for a human alone.

    Internet bot - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Internet...

    Now a powerful weapon since many seem to believe everthing they read. People need to become smarter.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...8fe_story.html

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    In the Information Revolution, paranoia is the weapon of choice.

    Just paranoid? We break down the top three Internet of Things conspiracy theories

    You only have to suggest it to deploy it; bots are the best defence to do the grunt work of factchecking.

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    I got netflix the other day.

    To download the app on android you have to allow it permission to

    Access the mic and allow it to record sound when it wants.

    Access all your contacts.

    Access all your files.

    Netflix is American.

    After the Wiki disclosure about the US intelligence services you're still going on about the Russians?

    Face it. It's All as told in 1984.

    End of.

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    The usual cast that still don't realize who the true enemies are.

    Generation after generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    An Internet Bot, also known as web robot, WWW robot or simply bot, is a software application that runs automated tasks (scripts) over the Internet. Typically, bots perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive, at a much higher rate than would be possible for a human alone.
    Google uses them, Yahoo, Bing and many other companies use them.

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    Yes Nev, they are everywhere. It is just that Russia, China, the US along with a few other countries have taken things to another political level. Only when people understand that level will they realize something closer to the truth. What we all are seeing today is convoluted crap, but many are falling for it.

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    You might find this interesting Rick. And before you start getting all cunty about who wrote it, note that they provide ample links throughout the piece to substantiate their claims.

    https://warontherocks.com/2016/11/trolling-for-trump-how-russia-is-trying-to-destroy-our-democracy/

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    Yes, a very good article indeed Harry and the point I have tried to get across to you on another thread. The subject matter be hanged, it is the intent that I have been talking about. So much information has been put out there, possibly by the Russians, that it is now virtually impossible to pick out fact from misinformation. Go back and reread my posts and maybe this time you will understand what I am saying. There are no sources who quote only fact anymore and one can no longer believe what is written or said unless you were present during that conversation.

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    [tinfoilhat]Well that Bulgarian fortune teller and Nostradamus did say Obama would be the last president... I guess Russia and China will have the last laugh? [/tinfoilhat]

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Yes, a very good article indeed Harry and the point I have tried to get across to you on another thread. The subject matter be hanged, it is the intent that I have been talking about. So much information has been put out there, possibly by the Russians, that it is now virtually impossible to pick out fact from misinformation. Go back and reread my posts and maybe this time you will understand what I am saying. There are no sources who quote only fact anymore and one can no longer believe what is written or said unless you were present during that conversation.
    I don't think anyone is surprised that Russia would like to weaken the US. Nor would anyone be surprised at how good they are at infiltrating an open system.

    You don't have that free speech in Russia, such is Putin's grip on things, so there is no chance the US could do the same thing.

    What is relevant to the current state of affairs is how much the orange-faced wanker and/or his cohorts were aware of what was going on and possibly colluded.

    That is tantamount to treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    So much information has been put out there, possibly by the Russians, that it is now virtually impossible to pick out fact from misinformation.
    You have made no case for this argument. Your silly nonsense about internet bots has no bearing whatsoever on the credibility of news reporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    So much information has been put out there, possibly by the Russians, that it is now virtually impossible to pick out fact from misinformation.
    You have made no case for this argument. Your silly nonsense about internet bots has no bearing whatsoever on the credibility of news reporting.
    Precisely, the swamp of twattering and fake news was aimed at motivating one specific demographic: The low IQ US voter.

    Or, as the rest of us know them, trumpkins.

    No-one can argue that it failed. Let's face it, the dumb shits are only just now realising that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    So much information has been put out there, possibly by the Russians, that it is now virtually impossible to pick out fact from misinformation.
    You have made no case for this argument. Your silly nonsense about internet bots has no bearing whatsoever on the credibility of news reporting.
    Humbert, do you then think everything that comes across the news wire is factual and that there is no misinformation? C'mon Humbert, are you like Harry and believe everything you read? Misinformation has been used since the beginning of the cold war and is a well known fact. No case needed for today's fake news.

    Harry was closer than you are by stating it is the extent of collusion that is in question. Did Trump and his staff have more contact with Russia than has existed for decades? What deals, if any, were made with the Russians? My issue is trying to decipher whether what has been printed or said is fact. Humbert, you insinuate that internet bots has no bearing on news credibility. You are truly naive, aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Misinformation has been used since the beginning of the cold war and is a well known fact.
    Good to know that it was never used before the cold war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Did Trump and his staff have more contact with Russia than has existed for decades? What deals, if any, were made with the Russians?
    So, you are denying that the Russians meddled in the election and there are a lot of circumstantial connections with activities of members of the Trump team including lying and covering up those activities? If you are such a patriotic, conservative American you should have no problem with these matters being investigated. Why are you interested in this stuff being swept under the rug?

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Humbert, you insinuate that internet bots has no bearing on news credibility
    I'm insinuating nothing. I'm stating catagorically that you have made no convincing argument that they have anything to do with the credibility of reporting.
    This post has not been authorized by the TeakDoor censorship committee.

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    Where do you get that I am denying that Humbert? I have no problem with anything being investigated as long as factual evidence is used. You seem to be stuck on making a case of something that has already been proven. Redundant, don't you think? Why don't you prove no internet bots have been used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Where do you get that I am denying that Humbert?
    Maybe because of your constant whining about the investigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Why don't you prove no internet bots have been used?
    The burden of proof is on you pal. It's your OP and you have done a shit job of convincing anybody that internet bots affect the credibility of news reporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Where do you get that I am denying that Humbert?
    Maybe because of your constant whining about the investigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Why don't you prove no internet bots have been used?
    The burden of proof is on you pal. It's your OP and you have done a shit job of convincing anybody that internet bots affect the credibility of news reporting.
    Not whining about the investigation at all, so you are incorrect on that point.

    My responsibility is posting the thread up for dicussion. My topic of Russian use of internet bots has already been proven. The remaining question is to what extent were these bots used to interfere with the 2016 election. If you have any credible evidence they were or weren't used, I am all ears. This is not just a one way street Humbert. If you have nothing to contribute, nobody is forcing you to read more on this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert
    So, you are denying that the Russians meddled in the election
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    You seem to be stuck on making a case of something that has already been proven
    Possibly in the court of fake news purveyors, nowhere else.

    Allegations, innuendo but no proven facts. Opinions of politicians, acceptance of possibles as facts.

    "When the DNC went public with the Crowdstrike claims the FBI never requested access to the servers to determine if a crime had been committed and to detect the culprit. Access to the servers had been informally denied by the DNC. The FBI simply followed (pdf), without any own forensic investigation of its own, the conclusions Crowdstrike had made."

    "

    “The DNC had several meetings with representatives of the FBI’s Cyber Division and its Washington (DC) Field Office, the Department of Justice’s National Security Division, and U.S. Attorney’s Offices, and it responded to a variety of requests for cooperation, but the FBI never requested access to the DNC’s computer servers,” Eric Walker, the DNC’s deputy communications director,"

    https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...-2016-1229.pdf

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins...wLA#.afmKzVg6z

    "Yesterday, Professor Thomas Rid (Kings College London) published his narrative of the DNC breach and strongly condemned the lack of action by the U.S. government against Russia
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    Susan Hennessey, a Harvard-educated lawyer who used to work at the Office of the General Counsel at NSA called the evidence “about as close to a smoking gun as can be expected where a sophisticated nation state is involved.”
    Then late Monday evening, the New York Times reported that “American intelligence agencies have “high confidence” that the Russian government was behind the DNC breach.

    It’s hard to beat a good narrative “when explanations take such a dreadful time” as Lewis Carroll pointed out. And the odds are that nothing that I write will change the momentum that’s rapidly building against the Russian government.
    Still, my goal for this article is to address some of the factual errors in Thomas Rid’s Vice piece, provide some new information about the capabilities of independent Russian hackers, and explain why the chaos at GRU makes it such an unlikely home for an APT group.
    Fact-Checking The Evidence

    Thomas Rid wrote:
    One of the strongest pieces of evidence linking GRU to the DNC hack is the equivalent of identical fingerprints found in two burglarized buildings: a reused command-and-control address — 176.31.112[.]10 — that was hard coded in a piece of malware found both in the German parliament as well as on the DNC’s servers. Russian military intelligence was identified by the German domestic security agency BfV as the actor responsible for the Bundestag breach. The infrastructure behind the fake MIS Department domain was also linked to the Berlin intrusion through at least one other element, a shared SSL certificate.
    This paragraph sounds quite damning if you take it at face value, but if you invest a little time into checking the source material, its carefully constructed narrative falls apart."

    The evidence is analysed here: https://medium.com/@jeffreycarr/can-...a55#.e31nkss0j
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    The remaining question is to what extent were these bots used to interfere with the 2016 election
    and the question how they were used

    maybe by retweeting stuff or upvoting , liking stuff , but bots are not as intelligent as you think

    the russians do use armies of astro turfers - paid to post on facebook , blogs , forums etc and manipulate conversations

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    There are no sources who quote only fact anymore and one can no longer believe what is written or said unless you were present during that conversation.
    So, you are in effect saying that nothing can be believed and the inference is that the reason is internet bots. Sorry, the logic in your argument is non-existent.

    You're discussion of the existence of these bots does nothing to support the conclusion that you present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    the russians do use armies of astro turfers - paid to post on facebook , blogs , forums etc and manipulate conversations
    I think we have quite a few here.

    Oh sorry Oh-Oh, don't take that personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    the russians do use armies of astro turfers - paid to post on facebook , blogs , forums etc and manipulate conversations
    So does the USA. It wouldn't surprise me if other governments do too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    There are no sources who quote only fact anymore and one can no longer believe what is written or said unless you were present during that conversation.
    So, you are in effect saying that nothing can be believed and the inference is that the reason is internet bots. Sorry, the logic in your argument is non-existent.

    You're discussion of the existence of these bots does nothing to support the conclusion that you present.
    No, not saying that at all. I will say anything written should be suspect not just from bots, but actual misinformation that may have traversed several sources. You just aren't getting it are you Humbert? Bots are already present and has already been proven. Did they interfere with the 2016 election? Yet to be proven. Did Russian hackers interfere with the election? More than likely, but the public does not know everything the intelligence community knows. You need to think bigger picture Humbert.

    Russian hacking and the 2016 election, explained - CNNPolitics.com

    US gives detailed look at Russia's alleged election hacking | Fox News

    One article by the anti-Trump CNN and another by the pro-Trump Fox News. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, but doubt we will ever know the full truth or, we may never be able to recognize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    the russians do use armies of astro turfers - paid to post on facebook , blogs , forums etc and manipulate conversations
    So does the USA. It wouldn't surprise me if other governments do too.
    Correct.

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