Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

**Dragonfly** · 30-11-2018, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Trump, your ideal, doesn't share your opinion. I wonder why?

he is not my ideal, he is a pig

I am sure he feels the heat, but I suspect "they" have his back as long as he goes with "their" plan

and Mossad loves him, they will have something on Mueller before he got to pull the trigger on Trump or his family

**uncle junior** · 30-11-2018, 11:29 AM

‘Individual 1’: Trump emerges as a central subject of Mueller probe

In two major developments this week, President Trump has been labeled in the parlance of criminal investigations as a major subject of interest, complete with an opaque legal code name: “Individual 1.”

New evidence from two separate fronts of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation casts fresh doubts on Trump’s version of key events involving Russia, signaling potential political and legal peril for the president. Investigators have now publicly cast Trump as a central figure of their probe into whether Trump’s campaign conspired with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign.

Together, the documents show investigators have evidence that Trump was in close contact with his lieutenants as they made outreach to both Russia and WikiLeaks — and that they tried to conceal the extent of their activities.

In two major developments this week, President Trump has been labeled in the parlance of criminal investigations as a major subject of interest, complete with an opaque legal code name: “Individual 1.”

New evidence from two separate fronts of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation casts fresh doubts on Trump’s version of key events involving Russia, signaling potential political and legal peril for the president. Investigators have now publicly cast Trump as a central figure of their probe into whether Trump’s campaign conspired with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign.

Together, the documents show investigators have evidence that Trump was in close contact with his lieutenants as they made outreach to both Russia and WikiLeaks — and that they tried to conceal the extent of their activities

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.d5fed5a3ea02

**bsnub** · 30-11-2018, 05:44 PM

Watch this...

**bsnub** · 30-11-2018, 06:23 PM

**Maanaam** · 30-11-2018, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by uncle junior

a major subject of interest, complete with an opaque legal code name: “Individual 1.”

I wish, and if Mueller's team had been smart, they'd labelled him "Individual 2" because that would have riled Trump's ego and he would have spoken up and said something dumb like, "I'm not two...I'm ONE, I'm the best...."

**Topper** · 30-11-2018, 06:41 PM

Do you think Argentina will grant trump asylum?

Don't cry for me Bob Mueller
The truth is I can't leave you
Secret Service won't let me
I'm keeping my promise
Vlad won't get laid
Please keep your distance

**bsnub** · 30-11-2018, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Do you think Argentina will grant trump asylum?

He will be at home there with all the dead nazis.

This is bad for Tump...

Game changing.

**bsnub** · 30-11-2018, 07:01 PM

**Maanaam** · 30-11-2018, 07:05 PM

I said it somewhere, this thread or the Trump thread, Mueller would wait for Trump's answers to the written questions before proceeding.
A gotcha moment will be announced very soon.

**Farangrakthai** · 30-11-2018, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Game changing.

in the big picture, it's not.

it makes for great tv, i have to admit.

though, at the end of the day, mueller will submit a report to the house and the house will decide whether to impeach trump.

then, the senate will decide whether to convict him (2/3 votes needed)

dems may recall how the public reacted to the rabid republicans wanting to impeach clinton. they threw them out of congress.

really doubt dems will impeach trump and it very unlikely the senate will convict.

a fun story to follow, no doubt though.

**bsnub** · 30-11-2018, 07:09 PM

So do you really think that Xi Jinping will not just whisper "Russia" into that morons ear? Just to get a rise? It is a no brainier.

Edit...

No FaRT I was not talking to you. That was for Manny.

**Topper** · 30-11-2018, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

in the big picture, it's not.

Yes, it is. It's a direct link to fact that trump was lying about his business dealings in Russia.

At the end of the day, public opinion will already be formed when Mueller submits his report due to the details released in the prosecution in everyone but trump.

If the report is kept from the public, seeing basically everyone around him being convicted will be enough evidence to ensure that trump won't last past the next election.

**Farangrakthai** · 30-11-2018, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

If the report is kept from the public

really doubt it will (after all of this).

it's likely that it will be presented to the white house who will then have a couple weeks to prepare their rebuttal and then both will be released to the public and to the house (for impeachment purposes).

**Maanaam** · 30-11-2018, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

So do you really think that Xi Jinping will not just whisper "Russia" into that morons ear? Just to get a rise? It is a no brainier.

Edit...

No FaRT I was not talking to you. That was for Manny.

I'm not getting the conflation, TBH, but I do think Xi will find a way to profit from all of this. The question is, does Xi benefit from Trump's domestic woes?

**Dragonfly** · 30-11-2018, 07:29 PM

nothing will happen as usual,

next

**uncle junior** · 01-12-2018, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

nothing will happen as usual,

If Mueller digs up enough on trump there'll be senate GOPers supporting an impeachment and subsequent Senate action , til then any talk of impeachment doesn't mean much.

**Klondyke** · 01-12-2018, 09:36 AM

FBI raids home of whistleblower who had ‘dirt’ on Clinton Foundation, Mueller
Dec 1, 2018

More than a dozen FBI agents searched for six hours the house of a contractor who had given Congress and the DOJ documents about the Clinton Foundation and the Uranium One scandal, implicating then-FBI director Robert Mueller.
Sixteen agents showed up at the Maryland home of Dennis Nathan Cain on November 19, the Daily Caller reported this week, citing Cain’s attorney Michael Socarras. They demanded to see the documents Cain had already turned over to the Department of Justice inspector-general and the House and Senate intelligence committee.

“I cannot believe the Bureau informed the federal magistrate who approved the search warrant that they wanted to search the home of an FBI whistleblower to seize the information that he confidentially disclosed to the IG and Congress,” said Socarras. He also objected to the fact that the FBI at no point reached out to him, even though Cain provided the agents with his contact information, calling that “serious misconduct.”
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What were the agents looking for? According to the Daily Caller, they were after the document suggesting that Robert Mueller – now special counsel in charge of the “Russiagate” probe targeting President Donald Trump, but FBI director back in 2001-2013 – failed to investigate allegations of criminal misconduct in the case of Uranium One.

The Canadian-based mining company controls over 20 percent of the US uranium supply, and was sold to the Russian conglomerate Rosatom in 2010. The sale needed to be approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CIFUS), which was chaired by then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

https://www.rt.com/usa/445299-muelle...whistleblower/

**Humbert** · 01-12-2018, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

nothing will happen as usual,

The report will be devastating to Trump politically. A conspiracy between Trump and his dirty tricksters seeking to obtain stolen Clinton e-mails and a conspiracy to circumvent election laws. He will be dead meat and thoroughly disgraced even if he is not removed from office. Additionally two years of house investigations into his finances and attempts to profit from his presidency. He is despised and laughed at behind his back by nearly every world leader. His effectiveness will be zero if he can hang on to office.

**Maanaam** · 01-12-2018, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

What were the agents looking for? According to the Daily Caller, they were after the document suggesting that Robert Mueller – now special counsel in charge of the “Russiagate” probe targeting President Donald Trump, but FBI director back in 2001-2013 – failed to investigate allegations of criminal misconduct in the case of Uranium One.

Is this an attempt to bring Mueller to heel or to discredit him?

**Dragonfly** · 01-12-2018, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

The report will be devastating to Trump politically. A conspiracy between Trump and his dirty tricksters seeking to obtain stolen Clinton e-mails and a conspiracy to circumvent election laws. He will be dead meat and thoroughly disgraced even if he is not removed from office. Additionally two years of house investigations into his finances and attempts to profit from his presidency. He is despised and laughed at behind his back by nearly every world leader. His effectiveness will be zero if he can hang on to office.

again you are projecting, if he could get away with assaulting sexually women, grabbing them by the pussy, you really think a dirty deal, which he made no secret of, will take him down since Trump has built his reputation on dirty deals and everyone loved him for it

again you are building on false hope, there is no better alternative at the present, and the guy got everyone running in circles

Wait until something happen to Mueller and he is out of the case, because a small scandal, no matter small, that would hit Mueller, would be the end of him.

Jesus, you people are so naive

**Maanaam** · 01-12-2018, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

if he could get away with assaulting sexually women, grabbing them by the pussy, you really think a dirty deal, which he made no secret of, will take him down since Trump has built his reputation on dirty deals and everyone loved him for it

False comparison. One is his braggadacio, crude and crass, the other is criminal activity with hard evidence.

**Humbert** · 01-12-2018, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

again you are building on false hope

Jesus wept! The irony! The whole convoluted argument you just presented is based on false hope. You really have a superficial understanding of what is going on.

**Dragonfly** · 01-12-2018, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Jesus wept! The irony! The whole convoluted argument you just presented is based on false hope. You really have a superficial understanding of what is going on.

you were still hoping HRC would win after it was clear, superficially, that Trump would instead. Again, you are over-thinking this, you can call it "superficial" all you like, but this is exactly how it's going to happen. Mueller has nothing, can't do anything against Trump, and you guys are waiting like the Messia delivering his first speech to the crowd.

You don't understand politics, you see it through the eyes of CNN and BBC, but it doesn't work that way

Trump will walk, and nothing will come out of it. Superficial or not, that's the likely scenario. Deal with it.

**Cujo** · 01-12-2018, 12:03 PM

After Cohen's guilty plea, the threads of Trump Inc are fraying

Richard Wolffe
The spectacle of Mueller cornering Trump’s gang is fascinating to watch and essential to the rebuilding of the rule of law

The great unraveling has begun. Between the latest guilty plea by Donald Trump’s fixer and the breakdown of a guilty plea by his campaign chairman, the threads are fraying on the scheming enterprise that is Trump Inc.
The man pulling at the many loose ends of this loosey-goosey business is working methodically in ways that are only clear in hindsight. Robert Mueller, the special counsel, is a strategic mastermind cornering a gang of simpletons watched by a peanut gallery of gawkers and hecklers.

The spectacle is both fascinating to watch and essential to the rebuilding of the rule of law. The United States urgently needs to resume its role as a global example of good government. Especially when its own government is rotten to the core.
Republicans in Congress may refuse to investigate the Trump administration, but Mueller and the courts are reaffirming that it matters when people break election laws, tax laws, lobbying laws, or lie under oath. It matters when foreign agents conspire to attack the United States by hacking into the computers of one of its main political parties.
Meanwhile our simpleton-in-chief can only sputter on the sidelines of Twitter about the many ways Mueller is plainly driving him nuts.

“Did you ever see an investigation more in search of a crime,” Trump tweetedwhile he should have been prepping for another world summit. As a matter of fact, investigations are supposed to search for crimes, but that’s beside the point for the man who can fire and hire an attorney general.

He would much prefer an investigation into anyone else right now: the Grinch who stole Christmas, Hillary Clinton, the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo. Anyone will do.
“After wasting more than $40,000,000 (is that possible?), it has proven only one thing – there was NO Collusion with Russia,” he tweeted barely an hour later, still stewing in his own resentment. “So Ridiculous!”
To answer the president’s questions: yes, it’s possible to spend a lot of federal dollars (see: corporate tax cuts, Trump administration). No, Mueller hasn’t cost the taxpayer a dime after all the property he seized from Trump’s campaign chairman. The only Ridiculous Thing about this is pretending that the Question of Collusion has been Answered.
But since you mentioned Collusion, Mr President, let’s yank a little more on this thread, shall we?

Michael Cohen’s bombshell of a plea deal on Thursday establishes that Trump’s personal and business lawyer was colluding with the Russian government during the presidential election of 2016 to profit from a possible real estate deal.

Cohen’s guilty plea touches on at least three criminal undertakings. He lied to Congress to cover up the fact that the wheeling and dealing continued through the campaign. He literally coordinated his efforts on Trump’s behalf with the Russian government, which was at the time engaged in a criminal conspiracy to manipulate the election through hacking. And he was securing foreign financial support for a presidential candidate. The only way this proves NO Collusion is if colluding does not qualify as collusion any more.

Normally you might describe a political figure profiting from his public office – even his potential for public office – as corrupt. But the leader of the free world prefers to describe it another way: good business.

“I was running my business while I was campaigning,” Trump told reporters on Thursday. “There was a good chance that I wouldn’t have won, in which case I would have gone back into the business and why should I lose lots of opportunities.”
Why indeed? Why surrender private profit when you want to enter public service? What a quaint idea, enshrined into US law by something called the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
Trump has found himself surrounded by the most dismal collection of indicted, colluding, lying aides and employees.

We used to live in a world where America’s worst president ever was defined by his insistence that he wasn’t a crook. We now live in a world where America’s truly worst president ever insists that cash is king.
To be fair, Trump has good reason to feel victimized. Some way, somehow, he has found himself surrounded by the most dismal collection of indicted, colluding, lying aides and employees.

Imagine Trump’s surprise when he discovered that Cohen was, as he put it on Thursday, “a weak person” who is “lying very simply in order to get a reduced sentence”. Don’t you hate those weak selfish liars who pretend to be strong and helpful? It’s like saying you’re helping the depressed rust belt while slapping down tariffs that shutter its remaining factories.
Imagine Trump’s horror when he found that Paul Manafort, his campaign chairman, was guilty of financial fraud and lying to prosecutors. All the poor man was trying to do was change the Republican party platform on Russia’s annexation of Ukraine, and, well, collude with the president’s lawyers.
Yes, he may have also secretly met with WikiLeaks during the election. But that’s no reason to think there was actual, you know, collusion.

We can be sure that Trump is as surprised as we are that federal agents on Thursday raided the offices of a Chicago alderman who also worked on property taxes for one Donald Trump.

Truly, has there ever been a wealthy businessman so mistreated by so many people who worked so closely for him? Even his national security adviser turned out to be a liar who had close contacts with the Russians after the 2016 elections. Imagine how Trump will feel when he sees Michael Flynn sentenced in a few days’ time.
Betrayed, no doubt, in more ways than one.
Trump is right. This investigation needs to come to an end. We need to know what Mueller knows. We need to know how Trump’s honest motive to make money was honestly at the heart of everything he has done. We need to forget the pee tapes and follow the money.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/29/michael-cohen-guilty-plea-trump-richard-wolffe

**Humbert** · 01-12-2018, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

you were still hoping HRC would win after it was clear, superficially, that Trump would instead. Again, you are over-thinking this, you can call it "superficial" all you like, but this is exactly how it's going to happen. Mueller has nothing, can't do anything against Trump, and you guys are waiting like the Messia delivering his first speech to the crowd.
You don't understand politics, you see it through the eyes of CNN and BBC, but it doesn't work that way
Trump will walk, and nothing will come out of it. Superficial or not, that's the likely scenario. Deal with it.

No butters, I know exactly what is going on. It is you that is mesmerized by him. He will be disgraced and live out his life with the humiliating knowledge that he was a huge failure as president. And Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with it despite your feeble attempts to bring her into every argument concerning him.

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