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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Bullshit there Bud...

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Dylann Roof spat on and burned the American flag, but waved the Confederate.


He posed for pictures wearing a No. 88 T-shirt, had 88 Facebook friends and wrote that number — white supremacist code for “Heil Hitler”— in the South Carolina sand.


A website discovered Saturday appears to offer the first serious look at Mr. Roof’s thinking, including how the case of Trayvon Martin, the black Florida teenager shot to death in 2012 by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, triggered his racist rage. The site shows a stash of 60 photographs, many of them of Mr. Roof at Confederate heritage sites or slavery museums, and includes a nearly 2,500-word manifesto in which the author criticized blacks as being inferior while lamenting the cowardice of white flight.


“I have no choice,” it reads. “I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.”


The website was first registered on Feb. 9 in the name of Dylann Roof, the 21-year-old man charged with entering the historically black Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston on Wednesday night, attending a prayer meeting for an hour and then murdering nine parishioners. The day after the site was registered, the registration information was intentionally masked.


It is not clear whether the manifesto was written by Mr. Roof or if he had control of it. Nor is it clear whether he took the pictures with a timer, or if someone else took them. In a joint statement Saturday night, the Charleston Police Department and the F.B.I. said they were aware of the website and were “taking steps to verify the authenticity of these postings.”


If it is genuine, as his friends seem to think, the tourist sites he visited, the pictures that were posted and the hate-filled words on the site offered a chilling glimpse into the interests of an unemployed former landscaper said to have a fixation on race.


“This whole racist thing came into him within the past five years,” said Caleb Brown, a childhood friend of Mr. Roof’s who is half black. “He was never really popular; he accepted that. He wasn’t like: ‘When I grow up I am going to show all these kids.’ He accepted who he was, and who he was changed, obviously.”
Mr. Roof has been charged with nine counts of murder in the killings. Victims included the Rev. Clementa C. Pinckney, who was both the church pastor and a state senator.

Mr. Roof’s friends say that he only spoke of his murderous plans once — when he recently warned that he planned to do something crazy with the gun he had purchased with the money he got from his parents for his 21st birthday. But they say his sense of racial grievance began with the Trayvon Martin case.The website, the lastrhodesian.com, which was not working by Saturday afternoon, featured a photo of a bloodied dead white man on the floor. The picture appears to be an image from “Romper Stomper,” an Australian movie about neo-Nazis. The domain name is a reference to the white minority of what is now Zimbabwe, where whites fought blacks for 15 years and enlisted white supremacists as mercenaries.


The site was first discovered by a blogger who goes by the pen name Emma Quangel, who paid $49 for a reverse domain search that turned up the site.
According to web server logs, the manifesto was last modified at 4:44 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, the day of the Charleston shootings, and the essay notes, “at the time of writing I am in a great hurry.”


In the manifesto, Mr. Roof writes: “The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words ‘black on White crime’ into Google, and I have never been the same since that day.”
The manifesto also says he learned from the website of the far-right Council of Conservative Citizens. The council is an off-shoot of a 1950s era-organization that fought school desegregation. A message on its website says the group is “deeply saddened by the Charleston killing spree.”


A friend of Mr. Roof’s, Jacob Meek, 15, said the references to the Trayvon Martin case made it clear that Mr. Roof had written the essay. “That’s his website,” he said. “He wrote it, and I just can tell.”


Watchdog groups that track right-wing extremism say the manifesto reflects the language found in white supremacist forums online and dovetails with what has been said about Mr. Roof thus far — that he had self-radicalized, and that he did not belong to a particular hate group. “It’s clear that he was extremely receptive to those ideas,” said Mark Pitcavage, the director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism. “At the same time, he does not have a sophisticated knowledge of white supremacy.”


The icon for the browser tab on Mr. Roof’s website is an Othala rune, an ancient symbol appropriated by the Nazis that remains common among neo-Nazi groups.
Mr. Roof was the latest in what watchdog groups say is a growing group of lone-wolf extremists. According to a study released in February by the Southern Poverty Law Center, about 70 percent of the 60 recent domestic terrorism attacks reviewed were conducted by people acting alone.


The writings on Mr. Roof’s website show a fixation with black-on-white crime, which is common on white supremacy sites, said Heidi Beirich, the director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project.


“They demonize blacks to position themselves as victims, and offer that as proof of why they need their own state,” she said.


In one photograph posted on the website, Mr. Roof is shown posing with wax figures of slaves. In others, he posed with a handgun that appears to be a .45-caliber Glock. He had a .45-caliber Glock in his car when he was arrested Thursday, the police said.


The website’s links contain several passages of long racist rants, in which he said Hispanics are enemies, and “Negroes” have lower I.Q.s and low impulse control. The manifesto praises segregation and says the author’s reading of “hundreds” of slave narratives indicates that almost all slaves gave positive accounts of their lives. The manifesto uses defamatory terms for blacks, whom he accused of being “stupid and violent” with “the capacity to be very slick.” It laments white flight, and suggested that the whites should instead stay behind in cities and fight.
Criticisms are also levied at Jews, but Asians are praised for being racists and potential allies. Mr. Brown said his friend’s transformation appeared to have occurred after he left Columbia, S.C., for nearby Lexington. Records show he switched schools in 2007. “He wasn’t putting on Facebook ‘I hate black people. I am going to shoot up a church,’ ” Mr. Brown said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us...-shooting.html

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

That's right, he wasn't. Just more lame spam from the usual suspects...

White supremacism is far right wing extremism. You think it's progressive?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

That's right, he wasn't. Just more lame spam from the usual suspects...

White supremacism is far right wing extremism. You think it's progressive?

Why was this nut-job burning the American Flag?

He's far from being a Patriot, Tea Party member, etc.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Why was this nut-job burning the American Flag?
He's far from being a Patriot, Tea Party member, etc.

He believes the US promotes integration ie. that it is too progressive. You need to go back to school. You cannot invent a truth booners. Racism/segregation is on the far right continuum.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Why was this nut-job burning the American Flag?
He's far from being a Patriot, Tea Party member, etc.

He believes the US promotes integration ie. that it is too progressive. You need to go back to school. You cannot invent a truth booners. Racism/segregation is on the far right continuum.

Well, it appears you're the one who requires a little schoolin' there Bert as the point here is this nut-job doesn't fit into one of your easily defined little progressive boxes. CNN and the rest of the lib media are desperately attempting to smear Conservatives with this broad brush of right-wing extremism.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Why was this nut-job burning the American Flag? He's far from being a Patriot, Tea Party member, etc.

Bull. He is the next evolution of a far right wing extremist. Do you think that a Confederate soldier wouldn't have burned the American flag? Get real.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

That's right, he wasn't. Just more lame spam from the usual suspects...

White supremacism is far right wing extremism. You think it's progressive?

Some white supremicists are left wing.

National Socialism is left wing, and that is what many (but not all) white supremacists support, politically.

Why should white supremacism in general be about "left" or "right?"

I consider "left" and "right" to be often about economic policy.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Black Heart

National Socialism is left wing

Completely incorrect. National Socialism is socially conservative and economically nationalist. It falls in line much better with old Klan and tea party doctrine than any left wing ideology.

Just because it has "Socialism" in its name does not make it left wing. The Nazis were right wing fascists.

You....are completely incorrect.

Using the labels "right-wing" and "left-wing" are once again over-generalized and applied incorrectly.

Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and social Darwinism. Germanic peoples (called the Nordic race) were depicted as the purest of the Aryan race, and were therefore the master race. Opposed to both capitalism and communism, it aimed to overcome social divisions, with all parts of a homogeneous society seeking national unity and traditionalism, and what it viewed as historically German territory as well as additional lands for expansion.

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. The Nazis sought to achieve this by a "people's community" (Volksgemeinschaft) with the aim of uniting all Germans as national comrades, whilst excluding those deemed either to be community aliens or of a foreign race (Fremdvölkische)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Originally Posted by Black Heart

You....are completely incorrect.

Umm Yay for wikipedia. The fact is that Nazis are fascists. Fascism supports nationalism, authoritarians, racism, and IS a right wing ideology.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.

This right here proves that they were not leftist. They attempted to create a hybrid form of governance but the fact is they were still fascists.

Hitler was inspired by Mussolini who was a far right fascist.

I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you over semantics that will just drive the thread off topic but I am far from wrong.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Black Heart

National Socialism is left wing

Completely incorrect. National Socialism is socially conservative and economically nationalist. It falls in line much better with old Klan and tea party doctrine than any left wing ideology.

Just because it has "Socialism" in its name does not make it left wing. The Nazis were right wing fascists.

You....are completely incorrect.

Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and social Darwinism. Germanic peoples (called the Nordic race) were depicted as the purest of the Aryan race, and were therefore the master race. Opposed to both capitalism and communism, it aimed to overcome social divisions, with all parts of a homogeneous society seeking national unity and traditionalism, and what it viewed as historically German territory as well as additional lands for expansion.

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. The Nazis sought to achieve this by a "people's community" (Volksgemeinschaft) with the aim of uniting all Germans as national comrades, whilst excluding those deemed either to be community aliens or of a foreign race (Fremdvölkische)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Isn't it the case that anyone can contribute to Wikipedia and "rewrite" history or any entry for that matter as might suit his/her view on that particular item?

The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach

https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/u...nglish/fascism

Originally Posted by grasshopper

Isn't it the case that anyone can contribute to Wikipedia and "rewrite" history or any entry for that matter as might suit his/her view on that particular item?

Yes it is generally an unreliable source.

Our disagreement is about using terms "left" and "right" incorrectly.

Here is a research paper entitled (with link below):

Neither left nor right: The White Supremacist Movement as New Social Movement.


Source: http://home.comcast.net/~vysotsky.s/wp_as_nsm.pdf

^ You specificaly mentioned National Socialism which is a Nazi ideology. Nazism and National Socialism are the same thing.

I will stick to the definition provided by the Oxford dictionary rather then some broad unknown research paper.

My point is: you are the equivalent of Boon Mee (but a little more restrained).

You put labels on things. I'm saying, these "left" and "right" labels are limiting and often incorrect.

Here is another over-generalized misnomer. This time on the "left"

Ukraine and 21st Century Neo-Fascism: Left-Wing Support for Imperialism and White Supremacy

A chasm has been created separating the Western left from its counterparts in much of the global South

The U.S.-European “Left’s” tepid – and even supportive – response to NATO’s destabilization of Ukraine reveals the deep workings of white supremacy on the “western” mind. We face the specter of a “left-right convergence” to save the global imperial project. How else to explain widespread “leftist” acceptance of racist doctrines like “humanitarian intervention” and “responsibility to protect?”

Ukraine and 21st Century Neo-Fascism: Left-Wing Support for Imperialism and White Supremacy | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

I think the Germans probably have a bit of form when it comes to racism, so let's see what they think:

What is right-wing extremism?

In terms of ideology, right-wing extremism in Germany is not a homogeneous movement but displays different elements of nationalist, racist and anti-Semitic ideology, resulting in different objectives. It is governed by the idea that belonging to an ethnic group, a nation, or a race determines the value of a human being.

Yep, that's the WASPs/Fox news Viewers in a nutshell.

And it's also the Charleston right wing terrorist neatly summed up, as confirmed by his "manifesto".

Originally Posted by Black Heart

My point is: you are the equivalent of Boon Mee (but a little more restrained).

No comparison. Boon is lapdog of the Oligarchs. He swallows their propaganda without question. I am merely taking the side of the lesser of two evils with the hope that something better (a new system) will come along.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

National Socialism is left wing

Did you are did you not say this? Cant you just admit when you are wrong?

You are the light version of Boon.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And it's also the Charleston right wing terrorist neatly summed up, as confirmed by his "manifesto".

Because he believed in the 2nd Ammendment?

Oh,oh, I fear the left tards are out in full jack boots these days showering the earth with hate and racist rants against white men who happen to believe in the 2nd amendment.

Evidently anyone who commits a mass murder is a right wing gun merchant filled with hate. Don't you just love it when you find out the world is filled with crazies? They are neither right nor left, simply put just insane.

Get off your high horse bsnub and face the reality that these people are nut jobs and never fit into society at any level. FFS, give it a rest why don't ya.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

National Socialism is left wing, and that is what many (but not all) white supremacists support, politically.
Why should white supremacism in general be about "left" or "right?"

You have painted yourself into a box. We are talking about America right? American segregationists were part of the far right wing in American politics. The fight against segregation in the south pitted a liberal, progressive philosophy against a conservative, anachronistic philosophy borne out of slavery and oppression. Such stupidity trying to redefine conservativism as if it's progressive on issues of human rights.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Black Heart

National Socialism is left wing, and that is what many (but not all) white supremacists support, politically.
Why should white supremacism in general be about "left" or "right?"

You have painted yourself into a box. We are talking about America right? American segregationists were part of the far right wing in American politics. The fight against segregation in the south pitted a liberal, progressive philosophy against a conservative, anachronistic philosophy borne out of slavery and oppression. Such stupidity trying to redefine conservativism as if it's progressive on issues of human rights.

Re-read my post.

I was not referring to the Segregationists, but the white supremacists (and yes many / most support segregation, etc.

To say it again (the third time)? I was referring to the labels bsnub was using: "right" and "left."

Using the terms is often (but not always) painting yourself in a box.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Black Heart

National Socialism is left wing, and that is what many (but not all) white supremacists support, politically.
Why should white supremacism in general be about "left" or "right?"

You have painted yourself into a box. We are talking about America right? American segregationists were part of the far right wing in American politics. The fight against segregation in the south pitted a liberal, progressive philosophy against a conservative, anachronistic philosophy borne out of slavery and oppression. Such stupidity trying to redefine conservativism as if it's progressive on issues of human rights.

Re read your history. It were them pesky Democrats who didn't want to give up slavery.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Re read your history. It were them pesky Democrats who didn't want to give up slavery.

Democrat and Republican labels didn't have the same meaning in the middle of the 19th century as they do today and I think you are aware of that.