Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

Originally Posted by birding

If the US were to arrange the murder of Assad as they arranged the murder of Saddam and Gaddafi Syria would disintegrate into a state worse than Libya with all the various rebel factions fighting for control, the Kurds would also be in for their chop. The US would (democratically of course) install a puppet Govt that would have little control over anything and would be a target for all the other factions.

The result more destruction, refugees and more weapons needed for the (US) recognised Govt.

Syria is Putin's problem now.

Although the US have a vested interest in keeping the lid on Islamic State.

Seems like they're not waiting for your meeting OhOh...

Turkish war planes bombed Syrian Kurdish militia YPG and PYD targets in Kurdish-controlled Afrin, a senior Turkish official told Reuters on Saturday.
Direct military action against territory held by Kurdish militia opens a new front in Syria’s civil war and sees Ankara confronting Kurds allied to the United States at a time when Turkey’s relations with Washington are reaching breaking point.
Turkey’s army said earlier it had hit shelters and hideouts used by militants from three groups – the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), PYD and YPG, after militants fired on Turkish positions inside Turkey.
The Free Syrian Army has also started to support the Turkish military in Afrin, the official said.


Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said earlier on Saturday that a military operation in the Afrin region had begun after cross-border shelling by the Turkish army.
The US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces accused Turkey on Saturday of using cross-border shelling as a false pretext to launch an offensive in Syria.
The SDF, an alliance of Kurdish and Arab militias fighting Daesh, said it would have no choice but to defend itself if attacked. The Kurdish-led SDF controls swathes of north and east Syria.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...-turkeys-side/

^ arry

You may have missed the Turks visiting Moscow recently.

Whatever, one NATO country attacking another NATO country's throat slitters, who will call for the fellow NATO countries for "assistance" first.

A win/win for somebody.

Originally Posted by OhOh

^ arry

You may have missed the Turks visiting Moscow recently.

Whatever, one NATO country attacking another NATO country's throat slitters, who will call for the fellow NATO countries for "assistance" first.

A win/win for somebody.

Turkey is paranoid about the concept of an independent Kurdish state, as Thailand is of an independent Muslim one.

However, I don't see Thailand bombing Malaysia.

Well your Sochi do has turned into a right fucking shambles. No surprise there really.



Shaky start to Syria peace talks in Russia as opposition delegates refuse to leave Sochi airport

I would suggest that all Isis members are given resident Visas in the Unites States. They should all be dead from gunshot wounds in the first week or two.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

I would suggest that all Isis members are given resident Visas in the Unites States. They should all be dead from gunshot wounds in the first week or two.

They'd probably run home shouting "Don't go there! It's not safe!".

Most of the opposition hate Russia. I'm surprised that many turned up.

Tehran says military advisors to leave Syria after victory over terror

http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/4209...r-victory-over



"Hossein Jaberi Ansari, the assistant foreign minister for political affairs, made the remarks in talks to reporters on the sidelines of the Syrian peace conference in the Russian resort city of Sochi.
“Iranian forces entered Syria at the request of the Syrian government in order to help the Syrian government in the battle against terrorism,” said Jaberi Ansari, who was leading the Iranian delegation to Sochi.


“It is obvious that once their job is finished, they will withdraw from the Syrian territory,” he added.


Sochi hosted talks between the Syrian government and the opposition in the hope of paving the way for a peaceful settlement of the seven-year conflict gripping Syria."

Originally Posted by OhOh

http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/4209...r-victory-over

......

^Are you suggesting that the word of an Iranian official is less believable that any other governments official spokesman. Or is it the publishers pushing imaginary news?

...the Iranian "press" is tightly controlled by mullahs, ayatollahs and sundry imams...nothing is printed that doesn't suit an agenda...not surprised this is news to you as you think RT is a reliable news source as well......

Originally Posted by tomcat

you think RT is a reliable news source as well...

Similar to you with WaPo and NYT, right?

Operation Mockingbird...

"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." - CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)

"The Agency's relationship with [The New York] Times was by far its most valuable among newspapers, according to CIA officials. [It was] general Times policy ... to provide assistance to the CIA whenever possible." -- The CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein

Originally Posted by OhOh

“It is obvious that once their job is finished, they will withdraw from the Syrian territory,” he added.

Hasn't the same been pledged by another power (please no name here)? Pity that they haven't been invited...

^
When those they kneel to, inform them of their new task. The unexceptional, crusader coalition will anounce victory and scuttle off, as previously seen.

Leaving their "partners" to be devoured by the hungry mob.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Operation Mockingbird...
"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." - CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)

"The Agency's relationship with [The New York] Times was by far its most valuable among newspapers, according to CIA officials. [It was] general Times policy ... to provide assistance to the CIA whenever possible." -- The CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein

Wondering whether MsKit has read this?

MK has recently started to expand her sources of "news". When it gets to 50/50 she may even become more useful to all here.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Similar to you with WaPo and NYT, right?

...false equivalence...

Originally Posted by tomcat

...false equivalence...

Is it really?

Our American Pravda, by Ron Unz - The Unz Review

But no one involved in the debacle ultimately suffered any serious consequences, and most of the same prominent politicians and highly paid media figures who were responsible remain just as prominent and highly paid today. For most Americans, reality is whatever our media organs tell us, and since these have largely ignored the facts and adverse consequences of our wars in recent years, the American people have similarly forgotten. Recent polls show that only half the public today believes that the Iraq War was a mistake.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Is it really?

...yes...it is...

A case of 'If you can't beat them...join them'?

UK Fascists Model Themselves On Jihadis

Hope Not Hate says groups such as National Action have become nihilists obsessed with terror



A hard core of fascist extremists in Britain are prepared to murder and commit acts of terror, and have strong links to groups overseas, observers of the domestic far-right have told the Guardian.


As the government’s joint terrorism analysis centre reportedly begins a review of the threat posed by British rightwing extremists, spurred by the conviction of Darren Osborne, between 50 and 60 people remain prepared to carry out acts of violence, one expert says.


Matthew Collins, the head of research at Hope Not Hate, said groups such as National Action had evolved beyond neo-Nazi ideology to espouse a violent extremism influenced by the Islamist terrorism they purport to oppose.


“They model themselves on jihad, that’s quite clear,” Collins said. “We no longer believe that they are neo-Nazis, although they are certainly still racists. We believe that they are nihilists, partly because they are so obsessed by terror and the secrecy of terror.”


According to Hope Not Hate’s research, National Action has also drawn from the methods and ideas of the leftwing Baader-Meinhof gang, and studied IRA cell structures. “They started off like naughty boy scouts, but they had a massive schism in 2016,” Collins said.


“A group broke away who said they were acting like terrorists, talking like terrorists and being painted like terrorists, so why don’t [they] become terrorists.”
Collins said he believed the police and security services had little understanding of the nature of National Action and related groups. But Gerry Gable, the editor of Searchlight magazine, which tracks the far-right, said he believed that MI5 and MI6 knew more than they had let on.


“MI6 know what’s going on, and for their own reasons they don’t act on a lot of stuff,” he said. In the past, the security services had operated some groups, such as Combat 18, as honeypots to draw out hardliners. Groups operating in recent years whose leaders appeared to have excellent luck in the courts and with the police could be operating in the same way, he added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ay-campaigners

Originally Posted by SKkin

Is it really?

Our American Pravda, by Ron Unz - The Unz Review

Perhaps if they watched something other than Hannity or whatever shit it is they believe, they might be more informed.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Perhaps if they watched something other than Hannity or whatever shit it is they believe, they might be more informed.

What do you watch, harry, that makes you so "informed"?