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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    That should piss off our Turkish allies.
    Well if you can name a few, they don't really matter. (Syria? Qatar?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well if you can name a few, they don't really matter. (Syria? Qatar?).
    Yes, if you exclude NATO allies.

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    One should of course await the Syrian and Russian agreements prior and actual implementation, prior to utilising the abbreviated phrase "Q.E.D".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Syria: Assad has decisively won his brutal battle
    The former adversaries coming slowly back to Damascus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Yes, if you exclude countries bullied into spending their tax payers money on American weapons of war to be part of NATO which is run by mad men and all out trying for war with Russia and China.
    Fixed that for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Yes, if you exclude NATO allies.
    I do. They're only in NATO because they expand the seppo's geographical reach, which has nothing to do with NATO's objectives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    expand the seppo's geographical reach, which has nothing to do with NATO's objectives.
    You really believe that?




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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They're only in NATO because they expand the seppo's geographical reach
    The fact that the NATO countries are closer to Russia and can be held hostage in any retaliation is the overriding requirement. Fighting the war on vassal countries lands, ensuring the vassal countries and citizens are more damaged. Similar to WW1 and WW2, may not work this time, as some have already intimated.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The fact that the NATO countries are closer to Russia and can be held hostage in any retaliation is the overriding requirement. Fighting the war on vassal countries lands, ensuring the vassal countries and citizens are more damaged. Similar to WW1 and WW2, may not work this time, as some have already intimated.
    But would NATO go to war if Russia invaded Turkey?

    History suggests not.

    They might if Iran did, just to prove a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    History suggests not.
    Was Turkey in NATO at the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Was Turkey in NATO at the time?
    At what time?

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    c55-60 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    c55-60 years
    Then probably yes.

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    No Syria withdrawal without Turkish pledge not to attack Kurds, Bolton says

    "Since Trump abruptly announced on Dec. 19 that all U.S. forces in Syria would exit immediately, administration officials have shifted the timing to say it would happen more slowly. Officials are now setting a series of conditions for withdrawal that must first be met, which Bolton described as “policy decisions that we need to implement.”
    “This is a cause and effect mission,” Bolton said. “Timetables or the timing of the withdrawal occurs as a result of the fulfillment of the conditions and the establishment of the circumstances that we want to see. And once that’s done, then you talk about a timetable.”


    Bolton also indicated that the U.S. troop withdrawal will not be a complete drawdown, as Trump had promised. Instead, he discussed a withdrawal of American forces from northern Syria, where most of the estimated 2,000 U.S. troops are based, while leaving some of them in the southern part of the country."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast...n-says-n955181

    It appears goldilocks has been overruled/failed to deliver, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Bolton
    Another fine murkin who needs a bullet in the head and anyone he has ever nurtured, taught, mentored, or spawned should be blocked from any public office of any job above minimum wage

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    No Syria withdrawal without Turkish pledge not to attack Kurds, Bolton says
    I'm sure Erdogan is already on the phone to baldy orange cunto telling him that they won't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm sure Erdogan is already on the phone to baldy orange cunto telling him that they won't.

    But did he promise not to accidentally drop a few bombs on them?

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    In this Sept. 1, 2013, photo, the chair of the Republican Arab Syria, as written in Arabic, is empty during the Arab countries foreign ministers summit, at the Arab League headquarters in Cairo.


    Bashar al-Assad’s international rehabilitation has begun
    January 5

    For Syria’s embattled president, Bashar al-Assad, 2018 ended well. Alongside President Trump’s announced withdrawal of U.S. troops from eastern Syria, several Arab states indicated they were willing to reconcile.

    In December, Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir became the first Arab leader to visit Syria since the civil conflict broke out in 2011. Soon afterward the United Arab Emirates, previously opposed to Assad, announced it was restoring ties with Damascus, with Bahrain and Kuwait indicating they could soon do likewise. With Tunisia resuming direct flights to Syria and Jordan reopening trade ties, many observers suspect Assad’s days as a regional pariah are numbered.

    Saudi Arabia, a lead rebel sponsor during the war, seems increasingly willing to accept Assad remaining in Damascus, hoping to lessen his dependence on Riyadh’s regional rival, Iran. It is even expected that the Arab League, which expelled Assad following his brutal crackdown on protesters in 2011 that initiated the civil war, will welcome him back in 2019.

    How isolated was Assad really?

    Of course, Assad was never that internationally isolated — one of the main reasons he has survived. Vital assistance from allies Russia and Iran is well documented. Russia ensured that Damascus faced no United Nations-led sanctions, such as those suffered by Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, while alongside Iran, Moscow provided aid, loans and support to keep Assad’s state and military just about functioning.

    The remaining BRICS (Brazil, India, China and South Africa), like many non-western states, did not demand Assad stand down. China was most supportive, vetoing anti-Assad U.N. Security Council resolutions six times since 2011, but India, too, retained ties to Damascus, fearing the rise of Islamists and possibly rewarding Syria for its past pro-Delhi stance on Kashmir. Brazil withdrew its ambassador to Syria, but for safety reasons rather than an explicitly anti-Assad action. Even before the recent election of right wing “pro-torture” President Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil stated its wish to restore full ties and take part in reconstruction.

    Rebuilding Syria will be costly

    The BRICS and Assad’s allies are unlikely to provide much of the estimated $400 billion needed to rebuild postwar Syria. The wealthiest, China, seems lukewarm, while Russia and Iran lack the funds. Assad and his allies have long recognized that only Persian Gulf or Western aid could provide the reconstruction billions needed, and this is the true value of any warming of Arab ties.

    While rejoining the Arab League brings economic reward and marks a symbolic end to attempts by Assad’s Arab enemies to topple him — and will be used by the Syrian dictator domestically to underline his victory — even in the Arab world Damascus’s isolation was never complete. Lebanon and Iraq refused to join any gulf states-led sanctions and maintained close ties, while Jordan retained a diplomatic presence in Syria even while forced by the war and external political pressure to halt trade and grant rebel fighters safe haven. Further afield, Algeria, a fellow dictatorship that also fought an insurgency in the 1990s, opposed the Arab League’s expulsion of Syria and acted as backchannel thereafter, while the Sisi regime in Egypt also developed covert ties.

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    Erdogan snubs US national security adviser

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan did not have John Bolton on his list of meetings, but by not meeting the US national security adviser, Erdogan sent a strong message to Washington.

    US National Security Advisor John Bolton was in Turkey on Tuesday but could not meet President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    Erdogan said Bolton's counterpart is Presidential Spokesman Ibrahim Kalin, with whom Bolton had a meeting along with other Turkish officials, media reports said.

    Speaking in Ankara, Erdogan slammed Bolton's recent comments that Turkey “targets Kurds” in Syria.

    "It is impossible to accept the message given by Mr. Bolton in Israel," Erdogan told governing Justice and Development [AK] Party's parliamentary group.

    "Claims that Turkey targets Kurds in Syria is dishonourable, ugly, vulgar and defaming," Erdogan said.

    https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/erdo...-adviser-23172

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    Don't blame him. I'd rather have a chat with Fred West - at least the world acknowledges he was a psychopathic murdered with zero empathy for human kind. Bolton though... well he's just a good old boy or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    well he's just a good old boy or something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Bolton though... well he's just a good old boy or something like that.
    But at home, isn't he more than a president? So, a president of any other state should be happy to talk to him, shouldn't be?

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    Trump threatens to ‘devastate Turkey economically’ if it attacks Kurds amid US withdrawal from Syria

    "Donald Trump has warned its NATO ally to beware of the devastative wrath of US economic pressure if Turkey dares to attack the Kurdish allies America is leaving behind in its “long overdue” pull-out of troops from Syria.
    The US military, Trump promised, will still use an “existing nearby base,” apparently in Iraq, to attack the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) militants if the terrorist organization re-emerges in Syria. Using his typical mode of communication to reaffirm the withdrawal of American troops from the ground, the US president warned Ankara against seeing this as an opportunity to stage any military campaign against Syrian Kurds.

    “Will devastate Turkey economically if they hit Kurds,” Trump tweeted, urging Ankara to create a “20-mile safe zone.”"

    https://www.rt.com/news/448730-trump...y-kurds-syria/



    ameristan reminds the world of the folly of adopting financial and commercial contracts utilising US$ and ameristani products and services.

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    And we know how good he is at keeping his promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Trump threatens to ‘devastate Turkey economically’ if it attacks Kurds amid US withdrawal from Syria

    "Donald Trump has warned its NATO ally to beware of the devastative wrath of US economic pressure if Turkey dares to attack the Kurdish allies America is leaving behind in its “long overdue” pull-out of troops from Syria.
    The US military, Trump promised, will still use an “existing nearby base,” apparently in Iraq, to attack the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) militants if the terrorist organization re-emerges in Syria. Using his typical mode of communication to reaffirm the withdrawal of American troops from the ground, the US president warned Ankara against seeing this as an opportunity to stage any military campaign against Syrian Kurds.

    “Will devastate Turkey economically if they hit Kurds,” Trump tweeted, urging Ankara to create a “20-mile safe zone.”"

    https://www.rt.com/news/448730-trump...y-kurds-syria/



    ameristan reminds the world of the folly of adopting financial and commercial contracts utilising US$ and ameristani products and services.
    More huff and puff, without considering the consequences.

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