Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

not going to address our usual delusional American suspects, they live in a bubble and still believe in Jesus Christ and other American Fairy Tales

Putin is a necessary force, and he needs to start showing alternatives to the "US System"

Something like an alternative International Banking System, Monetary System, and a new front in International politics.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Americas biggest mistake was invading Iraq in the first place. It was the greatest foreign policy blunder in US history.

you forgot Vietnam,

the world be a safer place with 2 opposing superpower,

for the last 20 years, the dominance of the US on the global stage has been ruinous and the source of many conflicts

America went from being the "good" guys to the real "bad" guys,

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by bsnub

Americas biggest mistake was invading Iraq in the first place. It was the greatest foreign policy blunder in US history.

you forgot Vietnam,

No I didn't. The repercussions for taking down Saddam and creating a power vacuum in the middle east will be felt for decades. It will prove a far worse mistake than Vietnam.

Originally Posted by bsnub

The repercussions for taking down Saddam and creating a power vacuum in the middle east will be felt for decades.

what about Egypt, Afghanistan, and Libya ? and soon Syria ? they will make Iraq look like an insignificant theater of war.

Originally Posted by bsnub

They have been conditioned to think that "socialism" is the worst evil on the planet and will destroy America.

Ah but they are even cleverer than you are suggesting here, Snubbles. They gave the US what was supposed to be a liberal president, getting you all very excited, branded him to the max, and yet continued with the neocon agenda. This is perhaps why the obamabots are so abjectly blind to the fact that obomba is anything but a liberal and cut from the same cloth as bush, killer clinton, bush....

Clever buggers - no wonder they are so rich.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by bsnub

The repercussions for taking down Saddam and creating a power vacuum in the middle east will be felt for decades.

what about Egypt, Afghanistan, and Libya ? and soon Syria ? they will make Iraq look like an insignificant theater of war.

The downfall of Saddam was the catalyst to all those nations instability (with the exception of Afganistan) especially Syria.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

They gave the US what was supposed to be a liberal president, getting you all very excited

Not me I recognised along time ago that the system is gamed. Obama took office with high expectations but soon adopted Bush's policies. The plutocrats also used it to their advantage even though Obama turned out to be their minion just like the previous presidents, but they whipped up the red fever branding Obama as a "socialist" and further dividing the nation.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by pseudolus

They gave the US what was supposed to be a liberal president, getting you all very excited

Not me I recognised along time ago that the system is gamed. Obama took office with high expectations but soon adopted Bush's policies. The plutocrats also used it to their advantage even though Obama turned out to be their minion just like the previous presidents, but they whipped up the red fever branding Obama as a "socialist" and further dividing the nation.

It's ok, matey, I was not referring as "you" meaning You, Mr SnubMod. It was "You" as in "You Americans".

You're clearly enlightened about many things

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Mr SnubMod

Not sure why you think this. lol

Ukraine's largest private gas producer announced on Tuesday that it added R. Hunter Biden—the son of U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden—to its board of directors.

Biden's son joins Ukraine gas company's board of directors


Purely coincidental of course.

Originally Posted by pickel

Ukraine's largest private gas producer announced on Tuesday that it added R. Hunter Biden—the son of U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden—to its board of directors.

Biden's son joins Ukraine gas company's board of directors


Purely coincidental of course.

Yeah... Not much going on that part of the world.

Originally Posted by pickel

Biden's son joins Ukraine gas company's board of directors Purely coincidental of course.

Yet another brazen in your face piss-take.

Wankers.

they don't even bother to hide it, and yet the sheep still buy the same old bullshit.

On the face of it I am becoming impressed with Putin, for no other reason than he has showed some balls and on several occasions now stood up to the yanks.

Good on him for that, a few more world leaders ought to give it a go and assess the outcome.

Forbes magazine sees another Obama hiccup in foreign policy (sic) I guess all of the cautions pre-election about his lack of foreign policy experience are sadly rising finally rising to the top. It seems he's more the reason for the bad impression Euro's have of the US then is even the previous POTUS.

Why Putin worries about Poland, but not Obama - Forbes

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

It seems he's more the reason for the bad impression Euro's have of the US then is even the previous POTUS.

Don't kid yourself pal - Euro's have had bad impression of the US for centuries.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

yet you seem to incline, like the NeoCons do, that the arab revolution was a positive byproduct of Iraq

How is destabilizing the middle east positive? I in no way think so. Deposing Saddam was a direct contributor to all the unrest we are seeing now. Iran is emboldened like never before as it has no threat on its western flank any longer. It has allowed them to foster discontent in Saudi Arabia, Syria and the rest of the regional states on their boarders. Yes deposing Saddam was a major game changer and not in a positive way.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Tunisia and Egypt revolution was brewing for decades

Tunisia is not in the middle east first and foremost.

Originally Posted by bsnub

How is destabilizing the middle east positive?

hello ??? regime change of dictatorships, rings a bell

Originally Posted by Butterfly

hello ??? regime change of dictatorships, rings a bell

Oh yes to be replaced by a new even more unstable dictatorship. Real progress eh?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Iran was never a threat.

You may want to ask Saudi Arabia and the revolutionaries in Syria that question.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Oh yes to be replaced by a new even more unstable dictatorship. Real progress eh?

of course it's not progress, but the NeoCons got their ways, changed the old guard for a fresh new leadership that will last another 20 years with the same MO. Isn't that beautiful ?

Originally Posted by bsnub

You may want to ask Saudi Arabia and the revolutionaries in Syria that question.

Oh that's rich, so SA run the US foreign policies ? I thought it was Israel ? what about Europeans ? do you think they are into it ? what a big fucking conspiracy.

Who care of SA, and Syria is definitely not a byproduct of Iraq.

If Iraq was the beginning of the grand fall, why is SA still there ? shouldn't it be the first to go ? yet it didn't happen, and never will.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

It seems he's more the reason for the bad impression Euro's have of the US then is even the previous POTUS.

That's the funniest thing I have heard all day.

Well maybe write a note to Forbes then, it's the conclusion they draw..

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

It seems he's more the reason for the bad impression Euro's have of the US then is even the previous POTUS.

Don't kid yourself pal - Euro's have had bad impression of the US for centuries.

Oh shame, that oft overlooked "come save us" cry that was only 60 some years ago and the one before that has already been forgotten.. Shame shame..