Thread: Thailand : Failed State ?

I say yes .

Reason being there are areas where the Royal Thai Police may not go .

Richard Barrow ‏@RichardBarrow 23 mins

I see that some farang are attacking me for tweeting that Lumpini is a “lawless zone”. If police are not allowed to enter, that is lawless.

Any country where status is seen as superior to the rule of law should be acknowledged as a failed state.

Mafia enforcer free zone..
May be the only "safe" pace in Thailand.

"Failed" used in this way seems to imply a form of reversal, implying that at one time it was not "failed" but now is.

I'd like someone to point out when exactly that magic era was.......
Thailand and Thais as a group have no democratic tradition, no democratic institutions, do not embrace democratic ideals, have never had a genuine democratically elected government and likely never will.

William Golding surely based Lord of the Flies on Thailand.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

William Golding surely based Lord of the Flies on Thailand.

Or the sequel :

' Lord of the Flies Undone '

Originally Posted by Mid

I say yes .

Reason being there are areas where the Royal Thai Police may not go .

Richard Barrow ‏@RichardBarrow 23 mins

I see that some farang are attacking me for tweeting that Lumpini is a “lawless zone”. If police are not allowed to enter, that is lawless.

If he reckons its lawless because the police are not allowed in I suppose one could call that lawless.

But realistically his statement is rubbish. I'm down there most days and this is how it works now since all the protesters are living there.

They have there own well organized security looking after that park and if there is any trouble they will sort it out.

Don't need the police. It certainly is not a lawless zone, actually its the opposite really.

There is no drinking, no littering, people are friendly as usual and business for the normal people who use the park for fitness goes on as usual.

I actually like all the people in the park as the vibe around there is entertaining.

Jesus, its not like every punter is packing a gun and looking over there shoulder.

Actually right now its aerobics and exercise time, many will be doing that.

After that they will have some food, a sing song and a nice sleep over looking the lake.

Is it failed or are the power brokers making it a failed state.

the DSI had 136 supposed sponsors to investigate has one bank account been frozen yet, sure its not through lack of effort.

Thailand is far from being or even becoming a failed state, once you look at those that are so far in the lead that the Left try to not to get involved in discussions about them.

failed, no respect for the law and too many stay unpunished,...

From last December



Shame about the spelling, but never mind.

It's not a developed nation. It's not on the low end of the third world scale but it isn't leaving that anytime soon if it doesn't start treating people as equals and giving them respect and that goes for the foreigners who have invested their lives here, too. It's not a bad place but it's certainly got a lot of disappointments. It's a shame that its letting its neighbors who have been tied down for the past 40 years catch up with it and even surpass it in some areas of social development.

For example, how many Thais need to be rescued on the high seas, after risking their lives to gtf out? Now, how many Indos?

There's a clue up there, though certain TDers are incapable of working it out.

Originally Posted by leemo

For example, how many Thais need to be rescued on the high seas, after risking their lives to gtf out? Now, how many Indos?

Very few of either. What's your point? Do you think there are Indonesian refugees trying to get to Australia? When did that happen?

On paper, Thailand is one of the worlds more successful states- income & GDP growth over the last 25 years has been quite spectacular. It is only it's ridiculous politics and anachronistic attitudes that are holding it back from developed world status now. Quite silly when you look at it- those that benefited most from the early stages of development, are the begrudgers now.

Man thrown in river by 'protest guards'
4/03/2014

A man alleged to have been detained for five days, beaten, tied-up and thrown into the Bang Pakong River by anti-government protest guards narrowly escaped drowning after a passer-by dragged him from the water.


Yuem Nillar says he was beaten, tied-up and dumped into a river by PDRC protest guards.
(Images from Policespokesmen Facebook)

Yuem Nillar, a security guard at a company in Bangkok, said he was resting in Lumpini Park after finishing work on the morning of Monday Feb 24 when two People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) protesters approached him demanding that he submit to a search.

According to information posted on the Facebook page of the Ministry of Transport's Transport Safety Centre, the men found a card issued in 2010 showing that Mr Yuem was a member of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), so they detained him at the PDRC rally site, where he was later questioned by protest leader Somchai Issara.

Mr Yuem claimed he was assaulted, tied-up and detained in a PDRC tent for five days until Saturday evening, when he was blindfolded and led into a pickup truck, which took him to a bridge crossing the Bang Pakong River in Chachoengsao province.

The Transport Safety Centre said Mr Yuem was thrown into the river blindfolded, with both hands and feet tied, but was lucky to be saved by a person who was paddling in the river.

He is still undergoing treatment for severe bruising and lung damage at Bang Pakong Hospital.

According to a post on the Police Spokesmen Facebook page, Mr Yuem told officers that two men escorted him in the back of the pickup truck, while another two chatted in the front section of the vehicle. They told him that they would take him home.

He said he was able to untie himself after being dumped into the water, but managed to swim to a pole under the bridge and cling on until a passer-by paddling in the water found him and informed a rescue team.

Police are investigating. They intend to track down the suspects and charge them with attempted murder.

bangkokpost.com

A failed state is a state perceived as having failed at some of the basic conditions and responsibilities of a sovereign government. There is no general consensus on the definition of a failed state. The definition of a failed state according to the Fund for Peace is often used to characterize a state with the following characteristics :

• loss of control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein
• erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions
• an inability to provide public services
• an inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community

Common characteristics of a failing state include a central government so weak or ineffective that it has little practical control over much of its territory; non-provision of public services; widespread corruption and criminality; refugees and involuntary movement of populations; and sharp economic decline.[1]

The level of government control required to avoid being considered a failed state varies considerably amongst authorities.[2] Furthermore, the declaration that a state has "failed" is generally controversial and, when made authoritatively, may carry significant geopolitical consequences.[2]
Failed state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

วันศุกร์ที่ 28 กุมภาพันธ์ พ.ศ. 2557

An upsetting run in Lumpini as Bangkok public space is slowly allowing itself to be taken over by lawless thugs.

An upsetting run in Lumpini as Bangkok public space is slowly allowing itself to be taken over by lawless thugs.

I run in Lumpini park everyday. Today I entered the park at 1pm and on my right was a group of mob guards surrounding one Thai guy. They were intimidating him and put his head between his legs and were hitting him on the head. Maybe the guy did something wrong maybe not, but physical abuse is not okay.

I saw this and asked them what they were doing and took a picture. The picture upset them and then I told them they were not police, which upset them a bit more... the one guy got quite aggressive in his speech and approached me and said he was a police officer, I once again, told him he wasn't.

They didn't touch me but it left me quite shaken. There were no park security in that area so I went up to the gate near the police station side of wireless and found REAL, security guards and asked them why they were not patrolling and being a big baby, subsequently burst into tears....they said they were not allowed over there by the mob guards.

Which leads me to point...Thai citizens, are you not worried about what is going on? Protesters wear cute tshirts and throw around jargon whilst people with no authority are seizing it and creating an unsafe and hostile city.

I am sad.

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go6TV: An upsetting run in Lumpini as Bangkok public space is slowly allowing itself to be taken over by lawless thugs.

Richard Barrow ‏@RichardBarrow 16 mins Pictures of protest guards beating someone up in Lumpini Park #Bangkok - RT @cyrilleandres: pic.twitter.com/9hQZskWKJD #Thailand

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by leemo

For example, how many Thais need to be rescued on the high seas, after risking their lives to gtf out? Now, how many Indos?

Very few of either. What's your point? Do you think there are Indonesian refugees trying to get to Australia? When did that happen?

No, no Indo refugees aiming for Oz, it's all lies by the right wing media, and even the Oz government is playing along by pretending to look for solutions.

And you're a doctor? - of what...?

In BKK, perhaps...

What about the rest of the country?
[generally viewed through Bangkok-centric lenses]