Thread: Will the GOP Force a Govt Shutdown and/or Debt Default?

As I understand it, the majority leader of the House won't call for a vote



If so, that's just hilarious

The voters are to blame

Americans, sane ones anyway, know where the blame lies. The new Gallup poll tells the story.

October 9, 2013

Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low

Falls 10 percentage points from September's 38%

Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Not taking sides here but (I am all for comprehensive public tax payer funded healthcare for all - rich and poor alike)

That IS a side, and the disagreement over it is precisely why the govt is shutdown!

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Obama and his Dems have the top Job, blaming the opposition> (hence the losers!) for a Government shut-down is - well ridiculous.

Not in the House they don't, and that is where all spending bills originate. If the House can't send a bill to the Senate that doesn't include language to essentially annul Obamacare then the Repub majority in the House are solely responsible for the shutdown.

Bear in mind that Obamacare gets funded whether the govt is open or not so attaching defunding language of a 4 year old law that they have already tried to repeal over 40 times without success is just plain silly.

Obama can't just order the govt to reopen, he needs a bill to sign and the Repubs can't get one to him because of their own intransigence.

Bloviate all you like Boontard, poll after poll confirm that the Teanderthal talking points you keep spamming all over the place are bull$hit.

Government Shutdown Blamed On Republicans: Poll


AP-GfK Poll: http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com


There are even some Rethuglicans who have the balls to own up to what their party has done:


GOP Is Responsible For The Government Shutdown

Rep. Peter King (R-NY) on Sunday placed responsibility for the government shutdown on his own party.


"We are the ones who did shut the government down," he later added. "Charles Krauthammer called it the suicide caucus. The Wall Street Journal said they were kamikazes. You don't take the dramatic step of shutting down the government unless you have a real strategy and it has a chance of working. It's never had a chance of working."


Peter King: GOP Is Responsible For The Government Shutdown (VIDEO)

When a proud fundraiser for terrorists is the voice of reason in the GOP it's pretty obvious they have a problem.

the inevitable cave by republicans is right around the corner:

Top House Republicans prepared to head to the White House Thursday to discuss the issues underlying the standoff that has resulted in the nine-day partial government shutdown and that now threatens the country’s ability to borrow.

The White House said the session isn’t a negotiation, in keeping with Obama’s demand that lawmakers raise the debt ceiling and fully reopen the government without conditions before policy talks are held. But the meeting may allow House Republicans to say they had a policy conversation with the president, which they have been saying is a condition of resolving the impasse

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The clearest sign of movement Wednesday was among House conservatives. After weeks of insisting that any measure to fund the government or keep it solvent include language to dismantle or delay the health law, conservatives have shifted their focus to broader — and potentially more achievable — deficit-reduction demands.

Obama to meet House GOP leaders in standoff thaw - MarketWatch


who would have guessed before the shutdown that obamacare funding wouldn't be affected and the GOP would cave when their approval rating started going down the toilet?

that's right....everybody....except the t-hadists.

Interesting speaker here...

House Republicans silence Rep. Grayson after he cites poll comparing them to ‘dog poop’ | The Raw Story




Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) found himself on Tuesday being added to the list of things that had been shut down because of Republicans in Congress.
During a speech on the House floor to call for a vote on a resolution that said Congress’ “dignity” had been impugned by the government shutdown, Grayson frustrated Speaker pro tempore Steve Womack (R-AR) by obstructing all other business and asserting privilege under Rule IX.

Grayson observed that media outlets all over the world and polling data within in the United States showed that “the dignity of the House has been called into question.”

The Florida Democrat pointed to a Public Policy Polling survey that found that Congress had an 8 percent approval rating. And to infuriate Republicans further, he read out of the each items that the American people found more likable than Congress.

“What do you have a higher opinion of, Congress or witches? Congress, 32 percent; witches, 46 percent,” he said. “What do you have a higher opinion of, Congress or hemorrhoids? Congress, 31 percent; hemorrhoids, 53 percent. What do you have a higher opinion of, Congress or dog poop? Congress 40 percent; dog poop 47 percent.”

At that point, Womack cautioned Grayson to confine his remarks to an explanation of why his resolution was privileged under Rule IX. But the congressman continued citing the poll, comparing Congress to toenail fungus, cockroaches and zombies.

“Surely our dignity has been diminished and is actively being called into question,” Grayson said. “If we are to be called obstructionists, practicers of partisan petulance, if we are to be called an establishment that is rotten to the core, if we are leaving Americans wondering why there is so much poison in the system then surely our dignity has been diminished. If we’re being accused of willingly provoking crises that suspend public services and decrease economic growth then surely our dignity as a body has been diminished.”

With that, Womack could stand no more and gaveled for Grayson to suspend his remarks. Grayson argued that he should have been allow to finish his speech as a point of parliamentary order.

But Womack ruled in the end that Grayson’s resolution was not privileged and scuttled the vote.

Looks like the trash are the first ones to fold



US Republicans in debt-ceiling offer




John Boehner is among about 20 Republicans heading to the White House on Thursday afternoon


US budget row

US Republicans have offered President Barack Obama a short-term debt limit increase to stave off default.

House Speaker John Boehner said they would do so in exchange for wider negotiations with the White House to end a government shutdown.
Republicans will meet Mr Obama later on Thursday.

Officials have warned the US will risk default on 17 October if the nation's borrowing limit is not increased.

Mr Boehner said on Thursday: "What we want to do is to offer the president today the ability to move a temporary increase in the debt ceiling in agreement to go to conference on the budget for his willingness to sit down and discuss with us a way forward to reopen the government."

A spokesman for Mr Boehner told reporters that the deal on the table ahead of Thursday afternoon's meeting was a "clean" increase of the debt limit, with no additional policies attached,

But it would only last six weeks - until November 22.

On Wednesday, Mr Obama met House Democrats at the White House and told them he would prefer a longer-term increase of one year to the nation's debt ceiling.

But the president said he was willing to accept a short-term rise in the borrowing cap to "give Boehner some time to deal with the Tea Party wing of his party", Representative Peter Welch told the Associated Press news agency after the meeting.

BBC News - US Republicans in debt-ceiling offer

Originally Posted by BillyBobThai

This should not be taken lightly

Indeed not. Consider that. We do not want both political parties acting like thugs.
Even your almighty God could not save the US from the depredations of unfettered 'republicans'.

Say again how that Hopey-Changey thing is workin' out for you?

U.S. Adds Two Times More Debt than Economic Output in Last 2 Years.

Something that can’t go on forever, won’t but that's Obama's vision, right? Follow the Alinsky Rules for loading up the Welfare rolls to their maximum limit and bring the country to its knees. 13

Originally Posted by BillyBobThai

As a by the way, larvidchr, is the only one on this forum who seems unbiased enough to contribute.

Why? Because he agrees with you?

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

But the president said he was willing to accept a short-term rise in the borrowing cap to "give Boehner some time to deal with the Tea Party wing of his party", Representative Peter Welch told the Associated Press news agency after the meeting.

Smells like a trap, IMHO. Rethugs buying 6 weeks of time to cook up another phoney crisis.

This article is part of an ongoing series analyzing how the government shutdown and the debate over raising the debt ceiling are affecting Americans' views of government, government leaders, political parties, the economy, and the country in general.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- With the Republican-controlled House of Representatives engaged in a tense, government-shuttering budgetary standoff against a Democratic president and Senate, the Republican Party is now viewed favorably by 28% of Americans, down from 38% in September. This is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since Gallup began asking this question in 1992.



The Democratic Party also has a public image problem -- although not on the same elephantine scale as that of the Republican Party -- with 43% viewing the Democratic Party favorably, down four percentage points from last month.

These findings come from a Gallup poll conducted Oct. 3-6 that followed the Oct. 1 partial government shutdown after lawmakers in Washington were unable to pass a spending plan for the federal government.

More than six in 10 Americans (62%) now view the GOP unfavorably, a record high. By comparison, nearly half of Americans (49%) view the Democratic Party unfavorably. Roughly one in four Americans see both parties unfavorably.



Republicans More Likely to See Own Party Unfavorably

Self-identified Republicans are more than twice as likely to view their own party unfavorably (27%) as Democrats are to see their own party unfavorably (13%). The GOP's unfavorable rating among Republicans is up eight points from September, compared with a one-point rise in Democratic Party unfavorables among Democrats. These findings may be consistent with the widely circulated narrative that the Republican Party is internally splintered on how best to handle the budgetary negotiations.

Independents, meanwhile, remain unimpressed with both parties: Thirty-two percent view the Democratic Party favorably, while 27% view the Republican Party favorably.

Implications

As the two major political parties are locked in a high-stakes political imbroglio that has resulted in a government shutdown and may cause the first-ever default on the national debt, Americans are more likely to view both parties negatively than positively. The Republican Party is clearly taking a bigger political hit from Americans thus far in the unfolding saga, with 28% rating the GOP favorably -- a loss of 10 points from only a month ago. This contrasts with previous Gallup findings from just before the government shutdown showing the Republican Party making up ground on a few key issues. Thus, the Republican Party's current strategy in the fiscal debates may not be paying dividends.

For their part, the Democratic Party has also seen its favorability rating drop since September, though by a smaller four points. Moreover, both parties are down from where they were just after the 2012 elections, indicating the many political battles of 2013 have had a corrosive effect on the two parties' images.

Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low

Republicans Still Have No Idea What They Want

With the Obamacare fight seemingly over, there's no one who can put forward a strategy and rally the party around it.

Cry baby Boehner has lost the plot and his caucus.

What credibility does Boehner have? He has repeatedly said he understands the importance of raising the debt ceiling, and last week, the New York Times reported he had privately told GOP colleagues he wouldn't let the country default. In a third reversal, he now says there's no chance of raising the debt limit without major entitlement reforms — yet less than two weeks ago, the Republicans put forth a series of demands in exchange for raising the debt ceiling that barely touched entitlement reforms. So Democrats have reason to believe Boehner is bluffing, while hardline conservatives have reason to distrust his resolve, too.
Republicans' best bet so far seems to be trying to paint Democrats as "the party of no," a nice reversal of a Democratic talking point from a few years back, on the basis of President Obama's refusal to negotiate. But it's hard for anyone to believe Democrats are the party of default when some Republicans are actively welcoming it. Take Rep. Ted Yoho, a freshman from Florida who's a large-animal veterinarian by trade yet thinks he knows better than all of the economists. "I think, personally, [a national default] would bring stability to the world markets," he told The Washington Post.
Just how lost is the leadership? One Republican congressman used this analogy to explain it to Byron York: "I would liken this a little bit to Gettysburg, where a Confederate unit went looking for shoes and stumbled into Union cavalry, and all of a sudden found itself embroiled in battle on a battlefield it didn't intend to be on, and everybody just kept feeding troops into it," he said. "That's basically what's happening now in a political sense. This isn't exactly the fight I think Republicans wanted to have, certainly that the leadership wanted to have, but it's the fight that's here."
You don't have to be a Civil War buff to know how that battle turned out for the shoe-seeking southerners.


Republicans Still Have No Idea What They Want - David A. Graham - The Atlantic

I winder how Cruz & ilk will put a brave face on this debacle-


Surprise! Support for Obamacare Is Up Sharply Over the Past Month
—By Kevin Drum|

The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll is just an endless horror show for Republicans. Obama's approval is up; Republican Party approval is down; confidence in the economic recovery has plummeted thanks to the budget standoff; and voters blame Republicans for the government shutdown by a margin of 53-31. Virtually everyone who's not a hardcore dittohead blames the GOP. What's more, 73 percent of the public thinks the shutdown is a serious problem and 31 percent have been personally affected.

But none of that is a big surprise. Here's something that is: After a week of 24/7 media coverage about the problems with the rollout of Obamacare, its popularity has gone up. It's still not doing gangbusters or anything, but it's pretty interesting that an awful lot of people who previously had no opinion are now feeling pretty positive about it. Is this because they or someone they know has actually gone on line and discovered that there are pretty good deals available? I don't know. But something has changed their minds.
Surprise! Support for Obamacare Is Up Sharply Over the Past Month | Mother Jones

^ Yep, the Teanderthal Rethuglicans worst nightmare is coming true- the Affordable Care Act they've tried so miserably to obstruct is off to an impressive start!

Time for John "Sniffles" Boehner to get out his tissues again


Very encouraging news out of New York and California:

California Obamacare Sign-Ups Exceed 28,000 in First Week, more than 40,000 in New York!


California said 28,699 people were signed up in the state’s health-insurance exchange in the first week, while New York had more than 40,000 sign up.



The numbers for California, the largest U.S. state by population, were for the Oct. 1 to Oct. 5 period and exceeded expectations, Peter V. Lee, executive director of Covered California, said at a news conference today in Sacramento. New York, the third most-populous state, said in a statement that its pace of sign-ups shows the exchange is “working smoothly.”



California Obamacare Sign-Ups Exceed 28,000 in First Week - Bloomberg

Originally Posted by Takeovers

I just read in a german online magazine, that bankers and some Republican politicians don't see a real problem in not raising the debt ceiling.

You've got to remember the Republicans are the party of anti-science, anti-education, anti-intellectual and the poll below is all the evidence you need see it.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

some facts (for the low information voters here at TD)

Nearly three in four Republicans, 73 percent, said the debt limit was for "future expenditures,"

But a majority of Republicans, 54 percent, basically shrug at the deadline, saying it can pass without major economic consequences

In the summer of 2011, when Congress last flirted with allowing the nation to breach the debt limit, the stock market took a dive and the economy slowed. The nation also lost its AAA credit rating from Standard & Poors for the first time.

Among those who trust Obama the least are white men, who aren't college educated (I think TD has a fair share of those Right-Wing Bigots/Idiots that post here), only 31 percent of whom picked Obama over Republicans.

Those same white men without college degrees were among the most skeptical that breaching the debt limit would result in serious economic harm.

Overall, concerns about the economic severity of not raising the debt limit grew with the survey respondents' level of education. A majority of college graduates (52 percent to 32 percent) said it was "essential" to lift it, compared with a plurality of those with some college (47 percent to 41 percent) and a very narrow plurality within the margin of error (43 percent to 41 percent) among those with a high school education or less.

fact: (most) Republicans are Idiots

Republicans are for the most part,.......Idiots.

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Originally Posted by Takeovers

That's going to make them popular, I am sure.

New poll out (GOP Approval Rating At All Time Low) shows us just how popular the Republicans have become over the past few days.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...s/Oct_poll.pdf

No Deal: Obama rejects House plan

Imagine that...



Speaker John Boehner told House Republicans Saturday morning that his efforts to strike a deal with President Barack Obama are at a standstill.
There is no agreement, Boehner said in a room in the Capitol Saturday, and there are no negotiations between House Republicans and the White House, since Obama rejected the speaker’s effort to lift the debt ceiling for six weeks and reopen government while
setting up a budget negotiating process.

Focus on Senate after Obama rejects House plan - Jake Sherman and John Bresnahan and Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com

Why are we not surprised? This cat meant it when he told us he was going to fundamentally transform America...

The wretched thuglicans will be lucky if they get offered the steam off his piss. Some speculation that Obama is trying to give boner some trifle for face saving reasons- seeing as he's got to deal with those awful teabag types.

According to a recent Poll, 60% of Americans would like to see the whole of Congress sacked. Drag this on a bit, get Obama to declare a state of emergency, and he can rule by decree- at least the US will have a functioning government again. Right now, the nation is better off without Congress & the Senate.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obama rejects House plan

Because it contained a massive poison pill, as I have already linked to.