Thread: Same sex marriage

Originally Posted by tomcat

folks in states like Oklahoma and Texas really grind their molars when gays adopt kids that would otherwise be left in state care until 18

Guess it's unfashionable to care about vulnerable young people being experimented on and placed with a group of people who are often paedophiles'
And also mean spirited to paint the concerned thus,


Plus you are talking in soundbites with zero evidence to back it up your silly claim, that all children would sty in care until 18 if it wasn't for homos.
And its has and undertone of the cliche/lie that gays make good parents.
if you repeat a lie often enough....

The authorities are loath to publish data that would make homos look bad,
but anecdotal evidence gleaned from press reports strongly suggests that gays do not go around adopting teenagers. but prefer young infants, ie little boys.

interesting case here:
Council refuses to back down after Sikh couple denied chance to adopt white child

Sandeep and Reena Mander said they had wanted the chance to adopt a child of any ethnic background. But they were refused the chance to apply by Windsor and Maidenhead council’s agency, Adopt Berkshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...p-reena-mander

The usual the pejorative label, ie white, designed to strip the indigenous population of their identity;
why not use brown couple and British baby ?
or more neutral - brown couple and brown baby ?

Anyway seems odd they allow normal babies, and all babies are normal, to be placed with abnormal 'parents', but not different race.

Originally Posted by Looper

Well I would (and have) argued that the institution of marriage is special because it involves a contractual compromise between the evolutionary reproductive strategies engaged in by men and women respectively.

It provides a cultural and legal structure that formalises the compromise that women make (providing exclusive access to their reproductive capacity) and that which men make (agreeing to stick around and provide parental investment).

Failing to recognise the unique nature of the marriage bond as a special type of strategic compromise between 2 individuals of each sex (and instead saying it is just about any 2 people loving each other) is a well intentioned but short sighted and misguided step in the cultural evolution of 21st century humans.

Dissolving the definition of a business-oriented compromise deal between the sexes and dressing it up instead as a schmaltzy sentimental vague notion of 'just love' will not benefit the strength of the institution and why it was brought about in the first place: to maximise the benefit to biological children that result from the union of the respective sexes.

Recognising other types of union using similar legal and ceremonial structures is the most rational way forward IMHO.

Great, but none of that harms you though.

I fact I'd venture to say it makes not one iota of a difference in your life.

Originally Posted by chassamui

The fact that most countries no longer consider homosexuality as a mental disorder, including Thailand, is surely a sign of progress?

a baby-step forward, perhaps, as those mired in ignorance and prejudice finally glimpse the obvious...

Originally Posted by chassamui

Why bother chasing a religious dream of marriage when the institution is clearly failing anyway?

Agree. Chasing marriage equality under the law, however, is a hurdle worth jumping...

Originally Posted by chassamui

Has to be better than the death sentence

What is better than the death sentence? A life sentence in an oppressive culture?

Originally Posted by chassamui

The fact that most countries no longer consider homosexuality as a mental disorder, including Thailand, is surely a sign of progress?

Well. it might be an idea if after remove one cause for the condition, they at least replace it with another.
birth defect?
chemicals?
Stress?
overcrowding ?

Originally Posted by chassamui

The first country in the world to legally recognise same sex marriage was the Netherlands in 2001.

Well, not exactly a country with a great track record on things, the last time I visited in the late 1980s they still were openly selling child porn magazines and videos in Amsterdam..

Originally Posted by chassamui

I personally think that marriage as an institution is archaic, and a symptom of wider malaise in religious promotion of guilt.

Not guilt, just goes back to the time where children needed looking after by 2 parents , and a long courtship followed by marriage was the best way to ensure the parents would stick together.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Why bother chasing a religious dream of marriage when the institution is clearly failing anyway?

Because homos crave to be accepted, as deep down they suffers self loathing, and thus it helps convince them, that they don't lead an unnatural utterly skin crawlingly filthy lifestyle.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Has to be better than the death sentence, which still exists in some backward religious doctrines.

Perhaps they are trying to help - a bit like putting a suffering animal down.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Do either of you believe that a religious institution is more or less likely to make unhappy couples better parents?

But is marriage a religious institution?
A court is not a religious institution, even though they swear on a religious book.

Don't know what the answer to an unhappy couple etc is.
i guess if it is hard to get divorced then they may try harder to resolve their problems than the unmarried

Marriage is not so important as it was .
Homos wanting to get married is just a spiteful attack on tradition and culture to cheapen it and our normal way of life.
Also homosexuals tend to be less emotionally developed and frivolous, so more likely to want something for silly reasons

Women, The Gays, Blacks (or any non-white people's really), Mooslamic Rayguns...

Is there actually anyone you don't see as involved in the assault on your rights as a superior white man and cause you to be frightened, blue?

I first I'm not really sexist.

If cannibalism were being introduced into society most people would be outraged, but a similar depravity, homosexuality, is creeping in and many people don't seem to mind.
I guess it's just brainwashing, mass conditioning etc.
Like in the old days of fashion, people hating, laughing at a certain new style, but a while later championing it .
It's a kind of mass hypnotism or whatever the word for it is.

I felt it a little when Princess Dianna died
I'd always fucking disliked here, firstly because she was a toff,
and then hated her when she cheated on her husband and turned into wog meat.
I could not have cared less when she died, but after a day or I was grieving along with the nation... I had been sweep along, affected and conditioned somehow.

Fortunately I was able to soon snap out of it, and get back my normal senses , thanks to seeing that fat tutty fruity faggot Elton john hideously singing at her funeral with that bizarrely stolen song.

Did you just equate homosexuality to canibilism?

I just need to be sure on that point because I'd already decided that you were spectacularly fucking dumb and may have to revise that estimation downward some.

Originally Posted by blue

But is marriage a religious institution?

Of course it is. You've not really been following the thread mate have you?

Originally Posted by chassamui

the failing institution of "MARRIAGE" will eventually be replaced by a legally binding civil partnership, which will be available to all.

By all, I assume you include Saudis, Mormons and the Pope...such optimism is entertaining, but unlikely to become reality...the rest of your post is a bit too scattered to respond to, though I'm sorry to hear of your disappointments in love...

These fucking holidaymaker's ideas of 'all'.

He reckons he's worked out Qatar's remodelled role in the region too.

Henry Kissinger and Shirley Crabtree all rolled into one.

Originally Posted by tomcat

By all, I assume you include Saudis, Mormons and the Pope...such optimism is entertaining, but unlikely to become reality...the rest of your post is a bit too scattered to respond to, though I'm sorry to hear of your disappointments in love...

FFS TC stop cherry picking your responses.
I'm sure you can do much better.

By all I mean AVAILABLE to all yes.

Originally Posted by cyrille

hese fucking holidaymaker's ideas of 'all'.

He reckons he's worked out Qatar's remodelled role in the region too.

Henry Kissinger and Shirley Crabtree all rolled into one.

Do you mean you haven't? Out with it Cy. I don't have all the answers, but then I'm just a visionary with an eye on the future and a love of history. Not that hard when you know how.

Originally Posted by chassamui

By all I mean AVAILABLE to all yes.

well, that's just plain stupid then...and it appears you can't do much better than condescend...pity.

Originally Posted by tomcat

well, that's just plain stupid then...and it appears you can't do much better than condescend...pity.

Are you predicting that marriage will reverse its decline and the civil partnership will flounder?
No obfuscation please, just answer the question.

Yes I do know I'm an annoying fucker.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Are you predicting that marriage will reverse its decline and the civil partnership will flounder?

No.

Originally Posted by chassamui

No obfuscation please, just answer the question.

Poster, heal thy posts...

Originally Posted by chassamui

Yes I do know I'm an annoying fucker.

I don't find you annoying, merely unfocused and apparently frustrated by love's labor lost...I understand your pain...

Well done for trying chas.
Clearly the lesbian, homosexual and faghag defendants have not thought the topic through enough for a reasoned debate.

These constant ... by 'Tom'cat are interesting and worrying.

Ellipsis they are called.
There meaning here ? maybe:

errm err ?
incoherent trailing off?
having something more to say but lacking the power to express it?
having nothing more to say but wanting others to think you have?
or just showing pure laziness in not typing whats needed?

Originally Posted by tomcat

apparently frustrated by love's labor lost...I understand your pain...

Nah that was years ago. All water under the bridge. Just used it to illustrate a point ... about pointlessness.
As for lack of focus, I agree, but it's hard to maintain when respondents are so needy.

Originally Posted by chassamui

As for lack of focus, I agree

good, then let's start the healing there...

Seems to me, you want it all and you want it now?

While I agree with Spike Milligan, that patience was invented by dull buggers who couldn't think quick enough, in the real world, major change, especially in attitude, really does take time.

Originally Posted by chassamui

I agree with Spike Milligan

noted, now let's get back to focus and maybe a touch of pith...

Just a tiny bit of deflection there.

It’s official: Germany will vote on same-sex marriage on Friday

The German parliament is set to vote on same-sex marriage on Friday.

The bill, which would give same-sex couples full marital rights and the ability to adopt children, was added to the agenda today after a vote.