Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

[bangkokbonecollector]

I just heard this on the radio, apparently a seasonal period of very bad weather is about to begin in this area. Could last for months and severely hamper the recovery of the black box.

[leemo]

Damn, two Iranians with false passports on board...

Don't be ridiculous, we know about djoo and Christian terrorists but whoever heard of a Muslim hijacker!

[Looper]

If the 154 passengers did lose their lives, Malaysia Airlines, the Malaysian government and military are the real executioners who killed them.

translation:- We need to pin this on an organisation with big pockets for a possible compo claim.

[Necron99]

I just heard this on the radio, apparently a seasonal period of very bad weather is about to begin in this area. Could last for months and severely hamper the recovery of the black box.

Otherwise know to the world as "winter".


Brilliant insight.

[9999]

As usually, all these fancy theories are detracting from the real story - it was done by the Illuminati to secure full ownership of a military semi-conductor chip patent. It all makes sense now.

Rothschild Inherits a Semiconductor Patent For Freescale Semiconductors
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The disappearance of four members of a patent semiconductor traveling on Malaysia Airlines MH370 makes the famous billionaire Jacob Rothschild at the sole owner of the important patent.

The mystery surrounding the Malaysian Airlines MH-370 is growing as each day passes with more mysterious silence shadowing the disappearance of the airline. More and more conspiracy theories are beginning to boom on the internet. One of the conspiracies one is the Freescale Semiconductor’s ARM microcontroller ‘KL-03′ which is a new improvised version of an older microcontroller KL-02. This crazy story about how Illuminati Rothschild exploited the airlines to gain full Patent Rights of an incredible KL-03 micro-chip is going haywire across the internet especially when it’s involving Jacob Rothschild as the evil master plotter.

A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.

Freescale Semiconductor has been developing microprocessors, sensors and other technology for the past 50 years. The technology it creates is commonly referred to as embedded processors, which according to the firm are “stand-alone semiconductors that perform dedicated computing functions in electronic systems”.


Why were so many Freescale employees traveling together? What were their jobs. Were they on a mission and if so what was this mission? Can these employees be the cause of the disappearance of this plane? Could the plane have been then hijacked and these people kidnapped? Did these employees hold valuable information, did they have any valuable cargo with them? Did they know company and technological secrets? With all the might of technology why cant this plane be located? Where is this plane where are these people?”

The 20 Freescale employees, among 239 people on flight MH370, were mostly engineers and other experts working to make the company’s chip facilities in Tianjin, China, and Kuala Lumpur more efficient, said Mitch Haws, vice president, global communications and investor relations.

“These were people with a lot of experience and technical background and they were very important people,” Haws said. “It’s definitely a loss for the company.”

In Malaysia, Freescale’s modern operations facility that manufactures and tests integrated circuits (IC) is based in Petaling Jaya.

Based on information obtained from Freescale’s website, the facility began operations in 1972 covering an eight hectare site and is specifically designed for the manufacturing and testing of microprocessors, digital signal processors and integrated radio frequency circuits.

It also owns Freescale RF which is involved in creating solutions for Aerospace and Defence listed below.

1. Battlefield communication

2. Avionics

3. HF Radar – Band L- and S-

4. Missile Guidance

5. Electronic Warfare

6. Identification, friend or foe (IFF)

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Freescale’s shareholders include the Carlyle Group of private equity investors whose past advisers have included ex-US president George Bush Sr and former British Prime Minister John Major.

Carlyle’s previous heavyweight clients include the Saudi Binladin Group, the construction firm owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.

The fact that Freescale had so many highly qualified staff on board the Boeing 777 had already prompted wild conspiracy theories about what might have happened.

The company says they were flying to China to improve its consumer products operations, but Freescale’s fresh links to electronic warfare technology is likely to trigger more speculation and deepen the mystery.

Experts have been baffled how a large passenger jet seems to have flown undetected and possibly beaten military radar systems for up to six hours.

Avoiding radar via “cloaking technology” has long been one of the objectives of the defense industry and Freescale has been active developing chips for military radar.

On its website, the company says its radio frequency products meet the requirements for applications in “avionics, radar, communications, missile guidance, electronic warfare and identification friend or foe”.

Last June it announced it was creating a team of specialists dedicated to producing “radio frequency power products” for the defense industry.

And on March 3, it announced it was releasing 11 of these new gadgets for use in “high frequency, VHF and low-band UHF radar and radio communications”.

The company did not respond to questions from Express Online, including whether any of its missing employees had been working on the defense products.

It neither provided any responses to the latest bizarre conspiracy theory being widely published on the comments sections of newspaper websites and other internet forums.

The comment reads: “It reads: “Have you pieced together the puzzle of missing flight 370 to Beijing China? If not, here are your missing pieces.

Four days after the flight MH370 disappear, semiconductor patent was approved by the U.S. patent office patent is divided in parts of 20% between five starters. One of the owners is the company itself, Freescale Semiconductor, Austin, Texas (USA), and the other four Chinese employees of the company: Peidong Wang, Zhijun Chen, Cheng and Li Ying Zhijong, all the Suzhou City. And they all passengers of Malaysia Airlines plane disappeared on March 8, according Eternity .




It adds: “Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all four Chinese members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.

Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. “However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved.”

However, the absurd theory does not add up.

Although a Freescale patent does exist under number US8650327, none of the names listed actually appear on the passenger manifest released by the Malaysian authorities. ( But maybe the names have been removed from the flight manifest)

If the patent holder dies, the other owners share equally in dividends from the deceased. If four of the five patentees die, then the patentee left alive gets 100% of the patent. That remaining patent holder is the company Freescale Semiconductor. Who owns Freescale Semiconductor? The answer is: Jacob Rothschild. British billionaire owns the company Blackstone, which in turn owns the company Freescale Semiconductors. Several speculations on the Internet now pay attention to this circumstance. The Rothschilds are a dynasty of financiers and international bankers of German-Jewish origin . The family is from the nineteenth century one of the most influential families of bankers and financiers of Europe.

The search continues for Flight MH370 but speculation surrounding its fate grows by the day.

http://worldtruth.tv/rothschild-inhe...emiconductors/

[bangkokbonecollector]

I just heard this on the radio, apparently a seasonal period of very bad weather is about to begin in this area. Could last for months and severely hamper the recovery of the black box.

Otherwise know to the world as "winter".


Brilliant insight.

I'm here all night

[bangkokbonecollector]

Would a mobile phone belonging to a passenger aboard that plane be able to work at all along the path over the ocean that they now know the plane took ?

[panama hat]

If the 154 passengers did lose their lives, Malaysia Airlines, the Malaysian government and military are the real executioners who killed them.

. . . sad to see their anger misplaced

Finalizing the last known position of the plane was pretty huge in my view.

It was, but hardly worthy of the completely one-sided rant

you can't help feeling that the Chinese authorities are going to milk this event for everything it's worth.

Of course they are . . . and the Chinese media was probably the nastiest bit of this whole thing aside from the deaths

it also needs to be recognized that they were facing an extremely unusual event...with a great deal of confusing information or in most cases no information.

Precisely . . . where are the anger and frustration and death threats towards mining companies, locala dn federal officials at the scores of miners killed every year in unsafe mines passed by the government, among other things.

The Chinese government has always been an expert at deflection . . . usually towards Japan

[koman]

Would a mobile phone belonging to a passenger aboard that plane be able to work at all along the path over the ocean that they now know the plane took ?

No, because MA did not subscribe to the service provided by the satellite company....plus they may well have been dead before the plane exited Malaysian airspace....

[bangkokbonecollector]

Would a mobile phone belonging to a passenger aboard that plane be able to work at all along the path over the ocean that they now know the plane took ?

No, because MA did not subscribe to the service provided by the satellite company....plus they may well have been dead before the plane exited Malaysian airspace....

No i meant if would they be able to get any sort of coverage over the ocean ?

If this was a pilot suicide this was meticulously thought out. Divert the plane when everyone is asleep, somehow avoided being detected going back on oneself, fly over the ocean with no mobile network coverage so if the passengers start to get suspicious and try calling relatives they can't, most passengers would be asleep until it was too late and they then woke up flying over the ocean, crash the plane in an area which is starting to have a period of severe weather.

What bout the crew though, surely they know the route and they would have gotten suspicious. I know the cockpit doors are secure but surely if you wanted to get in you could. There must be a way for the cabin crew to contact Malaysian airlines from the outside of the cockpit and if so why did nobody contact them ?

If the cabin crew did get into the cockpit and overcame whichever pilot went mad, surely they would know about the transponder switch. Pilot suicide or highjacking seems to likely but it seems to have happened so unbelievably perfectly with no distress calls or signs coming from a plane full of people, 237 people did or said nothing in the time all that time, they just sat there and thought everything was normal ??? all seems very strange.

If it was smoke related and they diverted just before they were knocked out by the fumes, why were the transponders turned off ? did the cockpit fill with smoke making visibility poor and they were turned off by mistake. What switches are next to the transponder switches which the pilots may have been trying to switch instead.

Very very weird.

[Necron99]

Would a mobile phone belonging to a passenger aboard that plane be able to work at all along the path over the ocean that they now know the plane took ?

No, because MA did not subscribe to the service provided by the satellite company....plus they may well have been dead before the plane exited Malaysian airspace....

No i meant if would they be able to get any sort of coverage over the ocean ?

If this was a pilot suicide this was meticulously thought out. Divert the plane when everyone is asleep, somehow avoided being detected going back on oneself, fly over the ocean with no mobile network coverage so if the passengers start to get suspicious and try calling relatives they can't, most passengers would be asleep until it was too late and they then woke up flying over the ocean, crash the plane in an area which is starting to have a period of severe weather.

What bout the crew though, surely they know the route and they would have gotten suspicious. I know the cockpit doors are secure but surely if you wanted to get in you could. There must be a way for the cabin crew to contact Malaysian airlines from the outside of the cockpit and if so why did nobody contact them ?

If the cabin crew did get into the cockpit and overcame whichever pilot went mad, surely they would know about the transponder switch. Pilot suicide or highjacking seems to likely but it seems to have happened so unbelievably perfectly with no distress calls or signs coming from a plane full of people, 237 people did or said nothing in the time all that time, they just sat there and thought everything was normal ??? all seems very strange.

If it was smoke related and they diverted just before they were knocked out by the fumes, why were the transponders turned off ? did the cockpit fill with smoke making visibility poor and they were turned off by mistake. What switches are next to the transponder switches which the pilots may have been trying to switch instead.

Very very weird.

It's not weird at all.

Pilot decides to off himself and thinks nothing of taking a plane load with him. Most pilots probably secretly detest their whiney human cargos deep down....
After takeoff he knocks the copilot out with a torch or something and he switches off the transponder and acars and other coms including the inflght phone system..
Mobile towers have a range of about 35kms. Not many towers over the ocean.
Then depressurizes the plane, killing or disabling all the passengers, does a few violent maneuvers to rattle up any crew who may have gotten to their o2 tanks. He sets the autopilot to take the plane to the most remote part of the world he can reach and where he knows it will be difficult if not impossible to find the plane.
After an hour or so his o2 runs out and he goes to sleep.
The only flaw in his plan is not knowing Inmarsat would work out the planes rough track.

Simple.

[bangkokbonecollector]

^ it is just so outrageously unimaginable that a pilot would go to this extent. I mean silk air and Egypt air were just nose down and bye bye, this is ridiculously calculated and has been carried out with military precision. That's why it's weird.

[Rural Surin]

....and after all this - we still don't know much.

[pickel]

If it was smoke related and they diverted just before they were knocked out by the fumes, why were the transponders turned off ?

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that when there is an electrical fire, the pilots would have pulled all the busses and then turned them on again one by one to isolate the problem. They may not have had time. It was also mentioned that in a previous crash due to electrical fire the pilots of that plane also had their transponder off when it crashed.

[Necron99]

^ it is just so outrageously unimaginable that a pilot would go to this extent. I mean silk air and Egypt air were just nose down and bye bye, this is ridiculously calculated and has been carried out with military precision. That's why it's weird.

It has 4 steps. It's hardly complicated.

Knock out copilot.
Disable Coms
Set Autopilot
Depressurize the plane, he could have gone out at this time too.

Once he has done that there is nothing anyone can do about it.

[koman]

Would a mobile phone belonging to a passenger aboard that plane be able to work at all along the path over the ocean that they now know the plane took ?

No, because MA did not subscribe to the service provided by the satellite company....plus they may well have been dead before the plane exited Malaysian airspace....

No i meant if would they be able to get any sort of coverage over the ocean ?

If this was a pilot suicide this was meticulously thought out. Divert the plane when everyone is asleep, somehow avoided being detected going back on oneself, fly over the ocean with no mobile network coverage so if the passengers start to get suspicious and try calling relatives they can't, most passengers would be asleep until it was too late and they then woke up flying over the ocean, crash the plane in an area which is starting to have a period of severe weather.

What bout the crew though, surely they know the route and they would have gotten suspicious. I know the cockpit doors are secure but surely if you wanted to get in you could. There must be a way for the cabin crew to contact Malaysian airlines from the outside of the cockpit and if so why did nobody contact them ?

If the cabin crew did get into the cockpit and overcame whichever pilot went mad, surely they would know about the transponder switch. Pilot suicide or highjacking seems to likely but it seems to have happened so unbelievably perfectly with no distress calls or signs coming from a plane full of people, 237 people did or said nothing in the time all that time, they just sat there and thought everything was normal ??? all seems very strange.

If it was smoke related and they diverted just before they were knocked out by the fumes, why were the transponders turned off ? did the cockpit fill with smoke making visibility poor and they were turned off by mistake. What switches are next to the transponder switches which the pilots may have been trying to switch instead.

Very very weird.

There is no shortage of weirdness about this whole thing......

However, the cell phone coverage would not be available unless the airline had installed the service via the satellite provider. You can't just phone home from a commercial jet over the ocean at high altitude unless the antenna and satellite service is connected.

As far as the passengers and crew are concerned....it's anybody's guess, but the most likely would be a rapid cabin depressurization knocking everyone out. There's no oxygen at 35000 ft and it's very cold. Deprive the cabin of oxygen and turn the heat off. If the lack of oxygen does not kill everybody in short order, hypothermia will surely finish them off after a while. Unconsious or dead people don't make phone calls even if they had the facility to do so.

Regardless if the plane was taken over by some outside group or one of the pilots...these things remain the same. High altitude breakup, explosions and other previous theories have been pretty well eliminated from the mix...so what's left?

Unless the satellite guys are really out in left field......there is a good chance that the crash site will be located. If that happens there will be a major scramble here on TD to re-tune the various theories put forward.

There seems to be a reasonable possibility of establishing what happened, but we may never know the precise reasons why it happened. That could turn out to be an eternal source of speculation in a world that just has to have answers to everything.

[Troy]

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that when there is an electrical fire, the pilots would have pulled all the busses and then turned them on again one by one to isolate the problem. They may not have had time. It was also mentioned that in a previous crash due to electrical fire the pilots of that plane also had their transponder off when it crashed.

In all cases that I am aware of an emergency was declared first. A short in a a non-essential bus followed by another short in another non-essential bus may have occurred that knocked out the transponder and ACARS at different times but that would not account for the lack of an emergency call, since the radios will be on an essential bus.

I'm also pretty sure that the normal operating procedures for most events will already have been carried out on the simulator to see if there is a logical reason for ACARS and IFF being turned off (directly or indirectly) in the times they were.

I think there is a pretty good chance they will find the plane but it may still be a while before they do. It's important to find out exactly what did happen to quash all the rumours that the media have banded around.

[Takeovers]

I think there is a pretty good chance they will find the plane but it may still be a while before they do. It's important to find out exactly what did happen to quash all the rumours that the media have banded around.

I'm not that optimistic. The search area is huge even if they can find floating debris soon. It took forever with the Air France plane and they knew exactly where to search. IMO the odds are they will never find the Black Box no matter how hard they try.

[Ronin]

If the cabin crew did get into the cockpit and overcame whichever pilot went mad, surely they would know about the transponder switch.

No most cabin crew would not have that level of technical knowledge.

[Troy]

A short in a a non-essential bus followed by another short in another non-essential bus may have occurred that knocked out the transponder and ACARS at different times but that would not account for the lack of an emergency call,

That won't work either....it would need to lose both IDG's and APU to go to backup generators and lose the IFF and then a battery overheat to lose the ACARS.

[panama hat]

In all cases that I am aware of an emergency was declared first. A short in a a non-essential bus followed by another short in another non-essential bus may have occurred that knocked out the transponder and ACARS at different times but that would not account for the lack of an emergency call, since the radios will be on an essential bus.

My thoughts as well. The only reason I believe there is more to it than just an accident.

[nidhogg]

In all cases that I am aware of an emergency was declared first. A short in a a non-essential bus followed by another short in another non-essential bus may have occurred that knocked out the transponder and ACARS at different times but that would not account for the lack of an emergency call, since the radios will be on an essential bus.
.

Aviate, navigate, communicate.

Pilots emergency situation mantra.

...on reflection - it is possible that the pilots/planes behaviour fit this mantra, except time was up before the third step....

[Necron99]

MH370 crash: Boeing and MAS facing lawsuit

PETALING JAYA: Boeing and Malaysia Airlines are facing a lawsuit filed by family members of the victims of the ill-fated Flight MH370.

At press time, it is understood that court documents have been filed in a court in Chicago.

Representatives of Chicago-based firm Ribbeck Law Chartered have been here the last few days and have met family members to discuss details of the lawsuit. Ribbeck is one of the leading aviation law firms in the world.

Sources said that not all family members of the 239 victims were involved in the litigation process.

Boeing, the manufacturers of the 777-200 aircraft, has been on the receiving end of a number of lawsuits in the past.

The most recent lawsuit was filed in an Illinois court in January this year by a group of passengers who were aboard an Asiana Airlines flight that crash-landed in San Francisco on July 6 last year. Three people were killed and more than 180 others hurt.


MH370 crash: Boeing and MAS facing lawsuit - Nation | The Star Online

[Latindancer]

...on reflection - it is possible that the pilots/planes behaviour fit this mantra, except time was up before the third step....

We don't know how much time they actually had.

[baldrick]

if you wish to edumacate yourself about flight data recorders

MH370 search: 8 things you might not know about black boxes - Australia Network News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)