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Im looking for some info for a mate who's looking at starting in the offshore rig industry. He's in the UK done the obligatory google search and come up with nothing apart from sites that want you to pay some sort of fee for info on jobs.
Has anyone here worked or currently working offshore?
Are there are any sites he can go to without being stiffed for £100 just to get some basic info?
As has been noted on another thread, you always hear that there is a shortage of people in the O&G business. What this really means is that there is a shortage of experienced people.
Unfortunately, it's the old chicken and egg thing. Companies only want to hire experienced people, but, how do you get experience without getting a job?
Most of the job web-sites also need experience.
Unless your mate has a needed trade, mechanic, or some specialty, the most common way to break in is through a recommendation from someone that is already on the inside.
I'll PM you some names of Seismic Survey companies that he can contact directly. He will have to look up their addresses on the net. The work is on ships, not rigs, but, it is even time (5 weeks on - 5 weeks off with pay + airticket to your home anywhere in the world).
Thanks SB. Dont think hes got any experience or qualifications like that. Think hes looking to start at the bottom, no idea what theyre called. I'll forward the names to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Burr
How experienced are you/your mate in the construction industry?Quote:
Originally Posted by melvbot
What is his line of experience/skills?
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Can you work 12 hour nightshifts to dayshifts and back again on the same trip?
Can you work in close proximity for up to and beyond 2 weeks (right up to 10) with a bunch of salty brutal types who will rip the piss and have a right old chuckle if you let them wind you up :)
Do you have an attitude or shoot your mouth off, are unreliable? Any arrogant prats etc (typically) don't last a heartbeat offshore.
If you've answered yes to any of the above then re-consider even going offshore.
It's a case of getting your offshore certs (survival, medical)firing off your CV to the agencies and seeing how many bites you get.
If you get bites then go for it and see how you do.
Offshore lifes not for everyone, some people come out and hate the lifestyle. Married or got a girlfriend? Watch out cause this can be a relationship breaker my friend.
I love it the offshore lifestyle, but then I'm a single workaholic who loves living like a roving prince in LOS :sexy:
Oil and Gas Rigs:
Your choices:
Drill crew
Arguably the easiest way of getting offshore for a total greenhorn with no experience or skills, however the work is pure savage for the money you get and you will almost undoubtably get injured. (second only to Deck Crew and Riggers etc).
Promotion is slow and Drill Crew are some of the toughest hombres offshore. You don't fck with them and will be shouted at like something out of the army during drill ops.
They are in demand all over the world so jobs can really open up once you climb the Drill Crew ladder.
If you are young and keen then make enquiries for a GREEN HAND Course (Aberdeen does loads of these)
It all depends how hungry you are, your age and how thick-skinned you are.
Other positions are deckcrew, rope access tech. (you need NDT tickets as well).
You can get courses for this, but they cost money and it does not mean you'll get work. It's all up to the agency's and companies you fire off your cv to.
'Black Hat/Hand' Trades - Pipefitters, Platers, Riggers etc - 4 years experience (apprenticeship) in heavy industry like powerstations/shipyards/welding before you give this a shot. One fck up is all it takes to destroy a career and end offshore aspirations so make sure you are at the top of your game for this one.
Production Operative - If you're a geek and like the techie aspects of offshore oil production/extraction (they usually play at tapping gauges half the time ;) ) etc then there are self-sponsered study courses on the net (see the UKOOA website for more details).
You can get taken on direct as a newbie as a Production but this is usually reserved for the university boffins / merchant navy types. This is a very cushy number to be in offshore, but is boring as feck being stuck on one rig for the rest of your career (an exagerration but you get the picture) with the same grinding routine.
Trying to get work direct from Thailand is a toughie, unless you get lucky and meet the right person who is in tight with an offshore firm.
You CAN work the North Sea and commute from Thailand BUT you need a core crew job (regular slot and on a companies books for guarenteed work, forget this, you need oodles of experience first).
Doing this with from a contract job position is risky as work doesn't last too long (usually for shutdowns only, which are in the summer).
You may have to consider relocating to the UK (If you're a Brit) and getting experience/qualified first onshore before going offshore.
You can try the vessels as well but these are even tougher to get work on than the rigs in some ways (like Sir Burr said) as you normally need to know someone.
Offshore work is a funny game, it's easy some days as you watch the money role in and count the days and live the dream. Your crew mates are princes amongst men who crack jokes and the banter is on top form.
Other times it's blowing horizontal rain while you're working the deck while freezing your tits off wondering what the fck you're doing. The crew mates are gutter trash mental cases who may drive you to the edge of control and beyond.
Both ends of the spectrum really.
Season starts in March/April and ends October time.
Forget these 'pay me and I'll tell' merchants. Rip-off merchants everyone of them.
All what I told you the rip-off merchants would likely charge you for, but years back a wise old head told me the ways, so I pass a few your way now like he did to me.
The old hands may not like me divulging some of the 'secrets' so to speak but without new blood coming in the North Sea etc would grind to a halt and everyone will end up going into office land for work in years to come ;)
Besides which, if your mate is sht he'll soon get rumbled and binned off the platform/vessel.
Good luck!
The difficult thing now is that many drilling contractors use agency hands and usually hire one of them if the crew likes him. Another approach is service companyies, however I'm guessing your friend wants a regular 3+ week rotation to stay in Thailand (What I do BTW) he can get that from a service company but you usually need to be a supervisor to get that.
I worked with a guy offshore that was a banksman, he had to pay his own flights so I sold him my air miles so he could get cheap flights. He started as an agency hand before getting hired by the drilling company.
You really have to be in the right place at the right time, timing really is everything (at least it was with me).
Agencies will be a good stepping stone I agree. Just tell your friend to knock up a cv. Be brazen but don't lay on the bs unless you like risking your good name and lives in a potential fck-up later on down the line.
Right I'm off as I've not slept for 28 hours (good old swing shift!) and I'll be sleepwalking on this rig before long if I don't get some zzzzzzzzzzz! ;)
I can back up what Slipstream is saying. I am offshore at present in Libya. I am employed by a major French oil and gas company. What he is saying concerning experience is really important. All the major companies are looking for experienced personnel! its the old addage the only way to get experience is to do the job. Its very rare for a company to take you offshore without some specific training,Offshore Survival, HUET (Helicopter Underwater Escape Training) as part of your offshore course you will cover Fire fighting and First Aid this will stand you in good stead if you think this is the life for you. My rotation is three weeks Libya and three weeks Thailand. I am core crew on the field.
All the courses mentioned above are available in Aberdeen Scotland. if you have completed an apprenticeship and have the engineering qualifications this will help welding, fitting, plating, Pipe Fitting, Instrument Pipe Fitting (small bore pipes) and Instrument Technicians, these are the main trade bands offshore in the engineering side. Scaffolding, Rigging, or as part of a drilling team Roustabout, assistant driller,are all trades that are used in the offshore environment if you think this is for you, I suggest you get in contact with the training establishments in Aberdeen in whichever sphere of offshore operations you want to work in, get as much information as possible.Complete the training if required,get your offshore survival and HUET completed. And then start the ball rolling by getting as many CV,s off as possible to the Oil and Gas companies and offshore contractors and see if you get a bite.Wages when you start are not great the more you prove yourself the better it gets and the terms and conditions improve hopefully. Its not easy to get into but it can be done, it needs perseverance and patience. But the rewards are there if you work hard enough. BEST OF LUCK TO YOU!!
Thanks fella's. I'd be interested if I could work from Thailand but I'd be a total novice. The UK options not for me because Ive got the family here. I'll pass him on the pointers of what to do as he's still in the UK so he's prob got an advantage being there to get any courses done etc.
Do any of you guy's know about what experience electricians need? I am an Electrical Fitter (Australia) but I think they would employ Instrument (Electrical) Fitters, or both types work? Any ideas on shore based work (as I have no offshore experience)? What about age? (I am 44-too old?)
Dont let them scare you most the offshore hands we see are quite a bit softer than there land working brothers. I like nothing better than running them ussless north sea foks off :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slipstream
My boss was asking about you a few months ago. I am sure he would still like to see you as we have a new contract with 5 brand new rigsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bung
what sort of Electrical work have you done ? mining / powergen / oil and gas ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bung
I presume you are an Industrial lectriks man as you know what instrumentation is :D
so much of it is knowing somebody on a job who can get you in.
don't just concentrate on offshore drilling - there is offshore production , look into working as an operator maintainer on an FPSO / production platform.
and don't forget the construction / commissioning side - In my opinion this is the best option as you live in a city in a serviced apartment or hotel and get paid well without having the offshore problems. Construction Jobs can last up to 3 years
You can do all your offshore courses in Jahor Bahru. Cheap too. It cost me US$610 for all the necesary courses about a year ago.
Here is the contact info:-
Training Centre:
Landing Craft Jetty
Kawasan Pelabuhan Johor
81700 Pasir Gudang Johor
Tel : +607 2522108
Fax : +607 2522081
Email: info.jb[at]msts-my.org
Booking Office:
MSTS Asia Sdn. Bhd.
539 A Taman Melaka Raya
75000 Melaka
Tel : +606 2922069
Fax : +606 2922067
Email: info[at]msts-my.org
I've done 15 years mining and ship building as an electrical fitter. I never got my instrumentation endorsement and I think now all electrical fitters are trained as instrumentation fitters as well. Had a lot of exposure to it though working in my current job of Chief Engineer on superyachts.
Looking at a installation & commissioning job at the moment in Sing, do they give you even time or any time off to get back here?
Do it - it gets you contacts and exposureQuote:
Originally Posted by Bung
Time off depends - sometimes you might be on a 6/2 week rotation , but for Sing shipyard work normally it is full time - but nothing to stop you organising a week off every now and then and heading up to Thailand , or fly the missue or GF down for a week , though she won't have much to do except for shopping :D , dangerous to your credit card health.
and real instro techs are trained as such :p
fcukin sparkies who think being a tech is easy
^ 55 bloody gauge tappers scared of getting a boot.
instro's always work live mate we have to
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Originally Posted by Slipstream
Plus you get to spend all that quality time in close proximity with sweaty brutish men :tosser1:
There are two kinds of men that work offshore.
Those that :tosser1:, and liars.
[quote=Rigger;710065]The old offshore/onshore rivalry runs strong with this one.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slipstream
Its swings and roundabouts TBH but the long runs offshore are a real test too :)
All the offshore bro's are coming on this thread now!
What have I kickstarted?? LOL ;)
We have just finshed a contrat for BG now for these guys it was their first time drilling on land so they had all sorts of weird foked up ideas. I couldnt put together a bigger bunch of softcocks if tried maybe it's a britsh thing, it's wonder you guys get any thing done at all offshore.
Last time the offshore guys went on strike in Australia (due to no chocalate ice cream)they took a heap of guys of the land rigs and sent them offshore. then didnt want the offshore crews back.
Plus we have more fun on land rigs, Offshore knuts are to anal :)
My friend just got a job with Stena Drilling. (www.stena-drilling.com) Their drill ships cost 1b$ to build. 6 to be made. At the moment they are based somewhere close to the north pole. As a chief electrician, he pulls close to 15000$ per month, weather he's on or off the wessel. I could stand the ice and shit for that kind o' money.... and he doesnt even have a el.engr licence (from Finland) which i have! Darn....
T
What im saying is, that the money is in any oil-related bizniz today...wherever it is. Being an elec.engr on various kinds of vessels for years, there is just one that i would love to be on now: Sea Launch (NASA).
T
How can you tell if a guy is a Rigger or not?
Look at the back of his hands for scratch marks where his knuckles drag a long the deck.:rofl:
There is always conflict between drilling and production and even more conflict between drilling,construction,production and HSE. A good OIM will remove the conflict by doing a bit of head banging with all department managers. Not always easy,but the job is to make sure that the team is pulling in the same direction.i.e. getting the oil out of the ground or under the sea floor as safely as possible.
With the major oil companies they are awarding contracts now based on safety record, experience and price in that order.Unsafe contractors are not getting anything and when you bid your companies safety record comes under scrutiny before the tenders are even opened.
Safe Working Operational parameters are a big issue for any Site Manager or OIM. To get employed in HSE the way forward is to study for the NEBOSH Certificate in the UK this can be done by distance learning.
There are companies on the net who specialize in placement of HSE personnel.
Google NEBOSH and have a look I know that there are companies who need qualified Safety Officers.
yes , but safety spankers who have never worked as a trade or production get exactly the respect they deserveQuote:
Originally Posted by thehighlander959