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    ^thanks for the kind words guys,

    another thing about getting a good set of drawings is that costs can be determined easier and then set.
    napkins and fag packets are open to abuse by the builder, who will claim that there are many extras to the job throughout the build, and rightly so,more commonly than not

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitlid View Post
    ^thanks for the kind words guys,

    another thing about getting a good set of drawings is that costs can be determined easier and then set.
    napkins and fag packets are open to abuse by the builder, who will claim that there are many extras to the job throughout the build, and rightly so,more commonly than not
    Cheers mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomesarn
    Well, not much to say in response to all your gibberish
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    You seem to be quite the expert, a cynical one
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    you do a little more research before giving out half-baked advice.
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    ......you certainly are an arrogant prik...
    your last remark fits you very well

    so you have had 20 years of building houses, and always recommend the most expensive options to your clients

    good, if they can afford it

    however, there are many people who have tight budgets and would rather have some nice fittings, for instance, than give the money to an overpaid architect

    Good that you like "Spanish Style" (whatever that is), I bet those houses fit very well into Thailand

    come into my hacienda, muchachos, lets have a little fiesta

    oh no, we have no food or drink as the architect was a little expensive!!

    never mind, we have lots of nice drawings
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    getting away from poor upset people and focussing on the topic

    It all depends on what you want and what your experience is

    If you have no idea of what type of house or how you want to live, then consulting a good architect can solve those problems, they will ask you all the relevant questions. They will design a house for you, will make any changes after a few discussions and draw the final plans. After that, they will visit the site, talk to the builders and make sure all the specs are kept to

    you will have to pay for all of that, of course

    on the other hand, if you have some experience, know what you want and how you like to live, doing some basic drawings and plans will be easy

    these can be given to any reasonable architect who can translate them into proper drawings for the builder and planning

    you can have the architect supervise the building works, or you can project manage yourself, or any combination, up to you and what you feel comfortable with

    Doing the latter, you will save a lot of money and feel that you have created your house, not some professional. BUT you do need some experience otherwise mistakes could be made

    I have no self-interest in selling myself or my company, these are just my ideas based on my own building experiences

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomesarn View Post
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    I would strongly advise getting 3D renderings of both interior & exterior
    I heard from Splitlid last week on something unrelated but he's not posting here too much anymore. He does great renderings.
    Yes, I've seen his work and it is good. He probably doesn't post here anymore due to arrogant know-it-alls such as Dr. andy....

    well, I post what I think I know, like most members

    sometimes I am wrong and will admit it

    It is always nice to hear from someone such as yourself throwing out words like "arrogant"

    if you cannot take the fact that someone else disagrees with your views, then forums are hardly the place for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    It is always nice to hear from someone such as yourself throwing out words like "arrogant" if you cannot take the fact that someone else disagrees with your views, then forums are hardly the place for you
    Agree, we need to tone it down a notch in this part of the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
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    I just paid 3500 baht for a full set of drawings of a bungalow I designed. I gave the woman the floor plan and a list of materials and their latest prices. The drawings came back a week later.

    The builders have started so the plans must have been ok.
    Bear in mind that there is a big difference between a licensed architect and a draftsman. Many contractors in Thailand will commence construction with drawings done on the back of a napkin.

    This particular lady works for Roi-et city council in the architecture dept and has done so for over 20 years.

    She had no idea she was working for a farang, hence the sensible price.
    that department is often a good source of reasonable quality; I also found one of my architects through the local council office

    essentially they are working "on the side" so do not charge excessively. Another advantage is that they know the local planning laws and also the people involved

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    essentially they are working "on the side" so do not charge excessively.
    From what the gf tells me, our drawings we done inside Roi-et city hall during working hours using government equipment.



    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    Another advantage is that they know the local planning laws and also the people involved
    Couldn't agree more, the drawings were approved without our needing to visit any officials, even contact with the local orbortor was done in the background without any input from us. Overall, it was a totally stress free experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    From what the gf tells me, our drawings we done inside Roi-et city hall during working hours using government equipment.
    A corrupt official, how shocking.

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    no, not corrupt, efficient

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    Interesting thread.

    I see the term "Architect" used a lot. In the UK this is a protected term and to use it the person claiming it has to be registered. To qualify you need to do ,as a minimum, a 7 year BA (Hons.) Arch. degree course which includes 2 years of practical experience. Should anyone claim to be an "Architect" and they are not qualified then they are liable to be sued. And chancers are.

    Having once met a former student who had dropped out from a Thai BA (Hons.) Arch. degree course she told me that the same criteria applied. She claimed to have got to Part 3 and then dropped out.

    So, no doubt there will be numerous Farangs claiming to be "Architects" in Thailand based on having "humped the monkey" in the UK then doing a bit of "back of a fag packet design" in Issan. Hey presto "Architect".

    Point being Thailand is full of ex-SAS, Navy Seals, Special Services etc. No doubt the Farang Architectural "profession" is the same.

    Should anyone Thai or Farang be encountered claiming to be an "Architect" and wanting to be paid as such then proof of qualifications should be obtained.

    For the record I am not an Architect. In fact I have made good money rectifying Architects "oversights". Long may they prosper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat
    So, no doubt there will be numerous Farangs claiming to be "Architects" in Thailand based on having "humped the monkey" in the UK then doing a bit of "back of a fag packet design" in Issan. Hey presto "Architect".
    For the record, it is illegal under Thai labor laws for a farang to practice Architecture here in Thailand. But there are several farang-Thai firms where the architect of record is a Thai national.

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    ^same same with Law companies I've heard many people say they have a farang lawyer, no you have not

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    Many professionals have to declare themselves 'consultants' so they can be granted a work permit. I am an environmental designer by profession but in the eyes of the Thai government I am a marketing consultant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat
    To qualify you need to do ,as a minimum, a 7 year BA (Hons.) Arch. degree course which includes 2 years of practical experience.
    I'm nearly there done 3 years of technical drawing

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    3 months now in England on job creation scheme

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    [ 3 months now in England on job creation scheme ]

    do you need to speak English?

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    I just got a quote from an architect...I sent him a basic drawing with my sizes etc and the layout. No interior design is needed... he will not be on site. I thought the quote is a bit high but have no idea.

    Can anyone tell me if this is a normal price to pay for this kind of job?

    The fee of architect service is 210,000 baht plus vat (7%)


    JOB DESCRIPTION

    Date: 29th January 2011

    Project : 1 storey House at …, Thailand
    Client : Mr.
    Architect : Mr.



    Area Requirement:

    Approximate Land Area…

    House’s Function



    A
    Internal using area
    1
    Hall way
    2
    Living Room
    3
    Kitchen
    4
    Office
    5
    Gym
    6
    Master bedroom
    7
    Master bathroom & closet
    8
    bedroom 2/ children room
    8
    bedroom 3 with closet
    10
    bedroom 2,3 's shared bathroom
    11
    Utility, Laundry room


    B
    External using area
    1
    Covered Terrace


    Scope of Architectural Works

    Prepare building’s detail, plans, elevations, sections and all necessary details which are required for construction of the property.
    Prepare exterior perspective to demonstrate area, building’s appearance, space, material and color for concise comprehension.
    Propose examples of materials, colors and any detail indicated in building for customer approval.

    Remark: Service does not include interior decorated works, interior design, garden walls, any exterior works not mentioned in lists below, landscaping, BOQ (Bills of Quantity), 3D renders and/or model.


    Design procedure

    Propose concept of design and prepare preliminary drafting design by periodically meeting with client to approve for each of phase of design.
    After first step approval, develop and prepare final draft drawing together with exterior perspective picture to demonstrate 3 dimensional views for comprehension and be able to conclude to final drawings.



    Prepare drawing for construction which covers architecture and engineering parts that comprise of:
    lay-out plan and infrastructure system outside the building
    floor plan drawing
    elevation and section drawing
    detail drawing and necessary enlarged detail
    condition and specification document to support construction drawings
    structure calculation and engineering drawing
    all basic electrical and plumbing systems

    prepare documents for construction permission
    3 set copies of construction drawing signed by license architect and engineer
    document for construction permission signed by license architect and engineer


    Professional fee for architectural design and term of payment:

    The fee of architect service is 210,000 baht plus vat (7%)


    Terms of payment

    Divide according to work procedure
    1st 40% advance after sign contract
    2nd 30% when propose first draft preliminary design
    3rd 20% when propose final draft and perspective
    4th 10% when complete of construction and permission drawing and submits to client


    Drawings & Documents to deliver:

    3 Copies of Construction drawings (If Government requests more copies Architect will clear it) Original drawing architect will be keep it.
    Document of Architect license and signature.
    Document of Structural analysis, Civil Engineer license and signature.


    Date Line to deliver:

    8-12 weeks for Construction drawings after the owner accepted job description and finished the final preliminary design. If changes are made after the confirmation of preliminary design then extra time may be allocated.










    Areas & Approximate Construction Costs

    Approximate usable area of houses



    Area

    A
    Internal using area


    1
    Hall way
    28.50
    Sq m.
    2
    Living Room
    55.00
    Sq m.
    3
    Kitchen
    22.50
    Sq m.
    4
    Office
    20.00
    Sq m.
    5
    Gym
    25.00
    Sq m.
    6
    Master bedroom
    27.00
    Sq m.
    7
    Master bathroom & closet
    11.00
    Sq m.
    8
    Bedroom 2/ children room
    13.50
    Sq m.
    9
    Bedroom 3 with closet
    15.75
    Sq m.
    10
    Bedroom 2,3 's shared bathroom
    9.00
    Sq m.
    11
    Utility, Laundry room
    12.50
    Sq m.

    TOTAL
    239.75
    Sq m.




    B
    External using area


    1
    Covered Terrace
    102.00
    Sq m.





    TOTAL
    341.75
    Sq m.


    Remark: These are just[at]approximate[at]areas based on the information provided to architect as of current date. The accurate areas and sizes can be more or less by requirement and can change according to client’s requests.



    Construction cost estimation

    1
    Internal area[at]




    Bedroom, Kitchen, Dining, etc




    Cost / sqm.
    =
    12,000-18,000
    Baht/m2.
    area
    =
    239.75
    m2
    Total cost
    =
    2,877,000
    Baht
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    Quote Originally Posted by acudlipp View Post
    I thought the quote is a bit high but have no idea.
    It's ridiculous. Daylight robbery. Not even a BOQ for that price.
    A normal architect does a preliminary design and if you like his work you sign the contract and not before.
    In Thailand the price should be no more than 125 or 150 Baht per square metre of design and maybe an extra 10,000 Baht for engineering specifications.

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    Hi acudlipp, where abouts is the land located?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acudlipp
    The fee of architect service is 210,000 baht plus vat (7%)
    I think the "," is in the wrong place 21,000baht seems ok. Unless he is a world renowned designer.

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    I just asked the missus what we paid for the architect to do the drawings for our place and she me told it was just under B50,000. The architect is in Buriram and we had it done between October 2009 and January 2010. She made several visits to their offices ( I made a couple while I was here at Xmas in 2009) and they kept making suggestions and changes until she was happy with them. They made 3 copies of the full set of drawings. In the end I reckon it was some of the best money we spent during the whole build. It would have been a nightmare without the drawings as it was still like a bad dream sometimes anyway. I reckon you need to go shopping elsewhere as the price you quoted is ridiculous in my opinion.

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    I'v paid 33000 bahts for my plan :152 m2 inside and 30 m2 outside = 182 m2

    Only to put my drawing on paper nothing more ...I... and 3000 b for BOQ.

    the plans are sign by architect and ingenieur.

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    Thanks all for your posts...I was not going to use an architect. My next door neighbour did not use one and his house looks great. I have left it late and am now in a hurry to do the drawings so a quick response is what was needed and I was starting to panic.

    Quote Originally Posted by fredlk
    In Thailand the price should be no more than 125 or 150 Baht per square metre of design and maybe an extra 10,000 Baht for
    Yea..i was thinking it should be about 50.000 all in so when I did the exchange on 210,000 and it came to 5000euro i thought I was fuked.

    Quote Originally Posted by splitlid
    where abouts is the land located?
    The land is about 70 km from khon kaen I have a full discription in the thread

    https://teakdoor.com/construction-in-...ml#post1515575

    16°46'12.00"N 102°38'59.02"E google earth coordinate


    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    I think the "," is in the wrong place
    I hope it was in the wrong place......... it would take the sting out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ootai
    I just asked the missus what we paid for the architect to do the drawings for our place and she me told it was just under B50,000.
    That sounds more in line with the price others are saying on here

    Quote Originally Posted by Mamasun
    I'v paid 33000 bahts for my plan :152 m2 inside and 30 m2 outside = 182 m2
    Thanks again ...now I can go back to him with some figures or more to the point ...ask him where is he getting his figures from

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