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    Concrete Piles into Water

    Is anyone able to answer some questions about driving concrete piles into a small pond ? Please ?
    Our piece of land is so narrow we have to go 3 metres out into some water . Maybe 3 feet deep . I assume I'm going to need concrete piles driven down and then build on those . How do I go about that ? Will there be Thai people who can do this ? And assuming we have 3 feet of water how far into the mud do I need to get the piles driven ? And how many ? One every 2 metres maybe ? There will be a single storey wooden structure there eventually . I hope you can advise here . Thanks . Wasp .

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    Depends on local area and soil conditions, best to get a couple of quotes and see how they want to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Depends on local area and soil conditions, best to get a couple of quotes and see how they want to do it.
    very difficult to do it that way:
    plenty idiots and chancers out there and neither the cheapest nor the most expensive might be the correct way to go.
    a REAL civil engineer could tell you what you need after testing conditions as dd sed, but to find a genuine one in thailand,and especially in a rural area might be difficult.
    check the guy's qualifications first
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    If you're only going 3 metres why bother? Why not extend the floor out from a secure point on your land and brace it underneath.

    You can use either metal or concrete. A friend of mine used those reinforced concrete poles lying horizontally, welded and set in concrete and works a treat.

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    we did exactly that, to build our house out over the pond

    we just drained the pond and made normal piles by digging and shuttering

    read the thread

    http://teakdoor.com/building-in-thai...efields-2.html (DrAndys Wooden Cottage in the ricefields)

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    A 3 meter section would be far cheaper to cantilever over the water rather than driving piles into the water. Easily done if you know what you are doing which here is the hard part. I would willingly take a look at the proposed plans for this and give you my opinion.
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Depends on local area and soil conditions, best to get a couple of quotes and see how they want to do it.
    Knowing nothing about Thailand (after a few years) this is what I would do and have done. Just do not get in a hurry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp
    And assuming we have 3 feet of water how far into the mud do I need to get the piles driven ?
    until they stop sinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp
    And assuming we have 3 feet of water how far into the mud do I need to get the piles driven ?
    until they stop sinking
    It a funny sort of way you are correct. the term is called refusal

    piles should be driven to refusal or to a certain load bearing capacity (engineer will give you that number based on a few variables)

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    piles can be very costly, and cantilevers need to be worked out exactly for load bearing capacity

    as said before, better just drain the pond and put in normal footings and columns

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella
    A 3 meter section would be far cheaper to cantilever over the water rather than driving piles into the water.
    Agree especially to support a single story wooden structure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp
    Will there be Thai people who can do this ?
    Depends on where your land is. If near Bangkok, there are plenty who drive pilings as a business.

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    What really surprises me is that I only posted yesterday and there are so many people trying to help . I know nothing about either piles or cantilevers but what I can say is that right now there is very little land from which to cantilever . What we thought was usable land outside our door turns out to be State land and a road is going to come through here ....... SOON ! It would literally run through the small patio that is outside our present front door . Might not even have anything really on which to stand so the whole thing might be in the water with a gangplank ! Quite a nice thought really . And no --- we are not near Bangkok . We're near Korat . My biggest worry is asking anybody Thai to assess or quote . I read the postings on here and I'd be a fool if I didn't heed them . All sorts of stories about leaving Thais to work and they stupidly add water to premixed concrete et cetera . I take all the warnings on board and it makes me completely unlikely to trust a Thai . I prefer you guys --- some of you being clearly ex-builders . Big Fella .... you offered to look over any designs and I thank you . But I have no design in mind . Just a desire somehow to get a platform into the water and construct on that . Seems I must go down and find solid ground below the present mud . Thank you everyone . Wasp

    And as a PS I think I'm now looking to go for a platform 12 metres square !

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    You mention a wooden house with deck over water. Would this be similar to what you have in mind?


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    No . But I like it . A lot !!!! The thing is I watched a German friend spending 3 million Baht putting up a beautiful home for his wife's family and they have never appreciated what they have . They would have been just as happy with decent timber home instead of a home built to a German standard . The home I am trying to put up will be for my Thai wife's family so again I don't want to waste money building something they don't care about or will take care of . This photo ---- is lovely . Those supports are EXACTLY what I was wishing for . I just don't think I need spend on the pointed roofing . See that little structure on the right ? We might have just that amount of land on which to rest the edge like they have done but with 95% of the build out into the water ..

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    Poke around on the link. Should be something there to give you some ideas on what the in laws will get. Regarding the piling issue you can then consider how best to tackle it.

    TeakDoor.com - The Thailand Forum Thai House Plans

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    This one would be a good choice and cheap.

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    Thank you . That looks to be a perfect idea .

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    over the water....enjoy the mozzies!

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    I have a friend who built her house in the middle of her pond. Wasn't difficult or expensive. You do need to stock the right sort of fish to keep the mozzies down though.

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    Thailand is a rice growing nation with plenty still lying of water every where, mozzies are part of it, l dont think having a house near water would makes all that much difference to the amount ofem.

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    we don't get many mozzies from our pond as the fish eat the larvae

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    Can you tell me what are the right fish to consume most mozzies ? Please ?

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    Necron99 ..... sorry I can't email directly yet ..... but your friend who built in the middle of her pond ---- she isn't somewhere near Korat is she ? That would be interesting to see . Thanks .

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    Can you tell me what are the right fish to consume most mozzies ? Please ?

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    Andy can say more on the subject but guppies love em.

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