iPAD vs Tablet PC: Forget the iPAD

**Butterfly** · 02-06-2010, 06:48 PM

apparently, there are better products out there than the gay iPad, no other than the MSI tablet, which is open and run a real multi-task OS, Win7

Apple iPad vs. HP Slate vs MSI tablet PC: which one is better?

Micro-Star International (MSI) is set to launch an Nvidia Tegra-based tablet PC in the second half of 2010 with a price of US$500, according to company sales director Sambora Chen.

Chen pointed out that MSI's tablet PC will feature a 10-inch color touchscreen with wireless support. The tablet PC will be light-weight and thin for mobility, while featuring all the functions of a regular notebook.

However, MSI will be flexible on specifications and will launch different models based on market demand.

Photo: MSI Tegra-based tablet PC

**slackula** · 02-06-2010, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

apparently, there are better products out there than the gay iPad, no other than the MSI tablet, which is open and run a real multi-task OS, Win7

Did you read the article you linked to?

Finally, there is the MSI’s tablet PC whose name is not known yet. It packs some impressive features and if it costs $500, then the device will definitely become very popular in the U.S.

According to one blogger..

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Micro-Star International (MSI) is set to launch an Nvidia Tegra-based tablet PC in the second half of 2010 with a price of US$500, according to company sales director Sambora Chen.

You are saying a device that doesn't even exist yet is better than an iPad? Have you made your downpayment on Duke Nukem Forever yet?

Anyway, I think that HP & MSI etc are trying to compete against the iPad in the wrong way. Hardware specs are not going to be the point imho, not until tablets finally really become mainstream anyway and especially if Apple are going to use OSX and the competition is going to shoehorn Win7 onto things with a 1Ghz processor. Win7 has a lot more overhead than the derivatives of OSX that Apple is using.

If the current sales figures are accurate then Apple has been selling roughly one iPad every 3 seconds since it was released, and they have only just come out in markets other than the USA!

I don't think the appeal is the underlying technical specs of the device, they don't need to be great to put a movie onto a 9.7" screen in 2010, I think the appeal is the massive amount of 'other stuff' that Apple can bring to the device with AppStore and the SDK.

If the other tech companies are already trying to play catch-up so soon after the iPad was released it is a pretty sure sign that Apple has another winner on their hands.

/oh yeah, and your article is 4+ months old

**StrontiumDog** · 02-06-2010, 09:29 PM

Yep, 2 million iPads sold and it is only just being sold outside the USA. I'm amazed it has proven to be so popular.

iPhone 4 or HD (as some are calling it) out next week. Can't wait!

**Butterfly** · 02-06-2010, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by slackula

You are saying a device that doesn't even exist yet is better than an iPad?

well, since Apple has constantly released machines subpar with the market, I believe they will be consistent again with their past practice and that the iPAD will technically be lagging compared to the PC competition

Originally Posted by slackula

Hardware specs are not going to be the point imho, not until tablets finally really become mainstream anyway and especially if Apple are going to use OSX and the competition is going to shoehorn Win7 onto things with a 1Ghz processor. Win7 has a lot more overhead than the derivatives of OSX that Apple is using.

The point is that you are not "locked in" with Apple and you can run any Linux distro on a superior machine (with a cam)

Originally Posted by slackula

I don't think the appeal is the underlying technical specs of the device, they don't need to be great to put a movie onto a 9.7" screen in 2010, I think the appeal is the massive amount of 'other stuff' that Apple can bring to the device with AppStore and the SDK.

That's an interesting and valid point you are raising, hence the comparison with the iPhone. It's basically the "laptop" version of an iPhone, or an oversize iPhone. It's really not a computer, but a device, a browsing appliance, a shopping appliance ? maybe

a companion appliance for those sad mac virgins without dates ? possibly and a perfect companion for Quack Quack then

**slackula** · 02-06-2010, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The point is that you are not "locked in" with Apple and you can run any Linux distro on a superior machine (with a cam)

Huh? Did you mean to say Windows?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

It's really not a computer, but a device, a browsing appliance, a shopping appliance ? maybe

I think it is going to develop into all of those and then some, if we look at what Apple has done with the iPhone then there is a precedent of them doing some pretty damn smart things.

As I said before, once everybody else is trying to catch up with something Apple is selling it is usually a good indication that Apple got it right first, or is at least on to something.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

a companion appliance for those sad mac virgins without dates ? perfect for Quack Quack, and could be an angle for the iPad

You started a thread with the potential for an interesting discussion and then you torpedo it with Jet Moron type comments. Are you going to call me a libbie next?

**TizMe** · 02-06-2010, 10:48 PM

iPad lookalike on sale in China
HONG KONG - APPLE may have sold two million of its new iPad tablet computers in less than two months, but it now has a Chinese challenger - the identical looking iPed.
Apple's iPad is not, officially, even on sale yet in China but the iPed can be bought in Shenzhen, southern China, for almost a fifth of the price of the US price of Apple's gadget.
The world's first iPad lookalike runs on Google's Android operating system, is apparently powered by an Intel chip and sells for US$105 (S$147). The basic model iPad sells in the US for US$499.

**PAG** · 02-06-2010, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by slackula

You started a thread with the potential for an interesting discussion and then you torpedo it with Jet Moron type comments. Are you going to call me a libbie next?

You have to admit Slackula, at least he's consistent in his boorish comments, which never include serious alternatives (or any attempt at humour), or any kind of constructive comment. He must be paying his bar girlfriend major money to stay and put up with his crap, as he must be the most boring SOB to spend serious time with.

DaffyDuck · 03-06-2010, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by Butterfly

a companion appliance for those sad mac virgins without dates ? perfect for Quack Quack, and could be an angle for the iPad

You started a thread with the potential for an interesting discussion and then you torpedo it with Jet Moron type comments. Are you going to call me a libbie next?

You never learn, do you, slack? Maybe just give you a T-Shirt with "kick me" screened on it?

Haven't you figured out yet that:

"This message is hidden because Butterfly is on your ignore list."

is the only answer?

DaffyDuck · 03-06-2010, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by TizMe

iPad lookalike on sale in China
HONG KONG - APPLE may have sold two million of its new iPad tablet computers in less than two months, but it now has a Chinese challenger - the identical looking iPed.

HaHa - nice humor.

**Butterfly** · 03-06-2010, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by slackula

Huh? Did you mean to say Windows?

they do both, that's the point, not happy with Win7, you can go to a nice Linux distro

Originally Posted by slackula

I think it is going to develop into all of those and then some, if we look at what Apple has done with the iPhone then there is a precedent of them doing some pretty damn smart things.

with heavy marketing sure. To be honest, I don't think the demand is there per se, if it was, all those products would be there already, all manufactured by cheap OEM. Before the iPod, there were MP3 player, but they never got any real success, even after the iPod, which should have helped the MP3 players, but it didn't really. What it means is that those kind of "gadgets" can only sell with an heavy marketing angle, and that's apple forte. They have to be elegant and pretty with a sense of branding for attachment. The specs are not really important, they are actually subpar, but that's beside the point, it's not what sell those devices in the first place.

I think the iPad will follow the same route, that is a marketing angle. Apple can't compete anymore in terms of pricing and specs with serious Desktop manufacturers, and they aren't really a software vendor, so they are way behind on those 2 fronts. MacOS X is not catching up and remains a niche. Their angle is marketing and branding, and it's not a bad thing.

They are the Chanel and LV of the computer industry. Basically a luxury item, which can explain sometimes the fervor of mac users when their favorite brand is under attack. As a former mac user I see it now.

**Butterfly** · 03-06-2010, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by PAG

You have to admit Slackula, at least he's consistent in his boorish comments, which never include serious alternatives (or any attempt at humour), or any kind of constructive comment. He must be paying his bar girlfriend major money to stay and put up with his crap, as he must be the most boring SOB to spend serious time with.

oh shut up you old bore, mactard and redtard, the best of both world for you

DaffyDuck · 03-06-2010, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by PAG

You have to admit Slackula, at least he's consistent in his boorish comments, which never include serious alternatives (or any attempt at humour), or any kind of constructive comment.

Seems par for the course for the kind of guy who's never achieved anything of significance in his entire life, and now hides out in some hinterland in Thailand.

Originally Posted by PAG

He must be paying his bar girlfriend major money to stay and put up with his crap, as he must be the most boring SOB to spend serious time with.

Girlfriend? For any girl to want to hang out with him past the first 10 minutes would take some serious financial magnetism. Seriously, I doubt any girl would consider the pay out is worth the price.

**Butterfly** · 03-06-2010, 11:36 AM

**Rascal** · 03-06-2010, 12:46 PM

been reviewed and it is not a good device apparently?

**harrybarracuda** · 03-06-2010, 01:29 PM

A low cost tablet running Android, with USB ports and Flash support.

I don't suppose that will take any of Apple's market share either.

**Butterfly** · 03-06-2010, 01:31 PM

indeed

DaffyDuck · 03-06-2010, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

A low cost tablet running Android, with USB ports and Flash support.

I don't suppose that will take any of Apple's market share either.

Nope, I doubt it will -- and you just keep having a fun time exposing your lack of understanding how this world works, do you?

A low cost tablet running Android.

How low cost?

with USB ports

what's spectacular about that? The iPad has USB.

Flash support

Now, I know you're just having fun. Flash? What for?

Now, tell me as well:

- how fast would you like this mythical tablet to operate?
- how long would you like the battery to last?

Do go on. No, please, really, do go on...

**kingwilly** · 03-06-2010, 01:55 PM

I've been using the Toshiba tablet for years now, looks like Apple playing catch up...

DaffyDuck · 03-06-2010, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

I've been using the Toshiba tablet for years now, looks like Apple playing catch up...

Same questions. Answers?

**kingwilly** · 03-06-2010, 04:37 PM

Which questions, the ones about BF being gay or the ones about how much battery life do I want ?

DaffyDuck · 03-06-2010, 04:39 PM

^
LOL!

- How low cost?
- how fast would you like this mythical tablet to operate?
- how long would you like the battery to last?
- what is Flash good for?

**kingwilly** · 03-06-2010, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

- How low cost?

Affordable, similar price to the MacBook Airs, or what ever they are.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

- how fast would you like this mythical tablet to operate?

It aint mythical, I've been using one since about 2002 or 2004 (i dont recall exact year, I first bought one.)

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

- how long would you like the battery to last?

DEpends on if you use multiple programmes, speakers, DVD drives, brighness of screen, speakers etc. They tend to get about 3-4 hours use for moderate use.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

- what is Flash good for?

It's on just about every website, aint it ?

**slackula** · 03-06-2010, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

It's on just about every website, aint it ?

"Just about every website"? No probably not, but it is on a lot, no argument. The problem is that it is clunky and full of security holes.

I don't think Adobe will win this spat. When a company as web-savvy as Apple is so vocal about something it is serious stuff, but as a Slackware fan I wish Apple would embrace a fully open codec standard.

**Butterfly** · 03-06-2010, 06:57 PM

Adobe Flash is quite an evil system,

DaffyDuck · 04-06-2010, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

- How low cost?

Affordable, similar price to the MacBook Airs, or what ever they are.

Ok. $1,500 for MacBook Air / $500 for iPad

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

- how fast would you like this mythical tablet to operate?

It aint mythical, I've been using one since about 2002 or 2004 (i dont recall exact year, I first bought one.)

Ok. lack of answer noted.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

- how long would you like the battery to last?

Depends on if you use multiple programmes, speakers, DVD drives, brighness of screen, speakers etc. They tend to get about 3-4 hours use for moderate use.

Ok. iPad = 10 hours of heavy use. 12 hours of moderate use.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

- what is Flash good for?

It's on just about every website, aint it ?

Yes, Flash advertising is on just about any website. If that''s important to you, then a Flash capable tablet is the right thing for you.

For anything else, there is very little use for Flash - most Flash websites provide a standards based front-end these days, that works fine for HTML5 standards based browsers.

There's a reason why the most popular plugins for Firefox are Flash blockers.

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