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Chairman Mao · 27-07-2010, 04:59 PM

Just watched a good doco on the photographers of the Vietnam war. Amazing really seeing some of the female soldiers who volunteered to defend their country with their lives. Some interesting pics from that period:

Hao Lok, North Vietnam: Mai Thi La (left) and Nguyen Thi Thy man an anti-aircraft gun in this village in Thanh Hoa Province, North Vietnam. The Communists claim the girls are members of a women's battery which, according to the Reds, has shot down three American airmen.

Nguyễn Thị Cần

1973 in Đường Trường Sơn

NLF soldiers. the young girl in the centre was to go on and receive an important war medal.

National Liberation Front female soldier in final offencive (1975)

Phạm Văn Đồng, PM of Democratic Republic Vietnam

Shooting a heavy 12.7mm machine gun.

Nguyen Thi Minh Hien became a heroine of the Vietnam Peoples Armed Forces at 20 years. She participated 17 battles and killed 174 names.

In the Soviet Union. The Woman in the center is Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in the Space, with two Vietnamese officers studying military courses from a USSR delegation 1968.

Ladies operating AAA Guns. According to the American the AAA gunned down more than 4,500 aircraft in Vietnam

A Japanese delegation led by Professor Makoto Kandatsu, President of the Japan-Vietnam Friendship Association visited an antiaircraft battery in Haiphong, October 19, 1971

With destroyed Enemy tank in 1970

Saigon 1975

Many became heroines. A range of stamps later released to honour their resistance.

Capt. William Robinson

It would be 7 years before he was released, and would be the longest ever PoW in US military history.

http://www.134arw.ang.af.mil/news/st...p?id=123202607

Khong co' chi

She is a Heroine from The Vietnam People's Army (Anh hùng lực lượng vũ trang nhân dân) in 1969 La Thị Tám

VIET NAM - JUNE 10: Picture released 10 June 1972 by North Vietnamese official agency with a caption saying: 'Young women carry the ammunition to the front in Quang Tri province, south Vietnam.' 11 August 1972, the last American ground combat unit in South Vietnam, the 3rd Battalion of the 21st Infantry, packed up its weapons and left the base at Da Nang, South Vietnam, where US Marines landed in March 1965 in 'purely defensive role'

PAVN officer in 1961

oky · 27-07-2010, 05:04 PM

Great pics, thanks for posting!

jandajoy · 27-07-2010, 05:05 PM

Fascinating pics CM. Thanks.

khang · 27-07-2010, 05:21 PM

Nice pics, CM. But you forgot to mention, they won !!

Forty years, and still, the west has not learned .......

Chairman Mao · 27-07-2010, 05:31 PM

My Lai Massacre:

Not a VC soldier. But more than worthy of a mention:

Quote:

The unit met no resistance in My Lai, which had about 700 inhabitants. Indeed, they saw no males of fighting age. They only found villagers eating breakfast.

Nevertheless, over the next three hours they killed as many as 504 Vietnamese civilians. Some were lined up in a drainage ditch before being shot. The dead civilians included fifty age 3 or younger, 69 between 4 and 7, and 27 in their 70s or 80s.

In addition, Vietnamese women were raped; other civilians were clubbed and stabbed. Some victims were mutilated with the signature "C Company" carved into the chest. One soldier would testify later, "I cut their throats, cut off their hands, cut out their tongues, scalped them. I did it. A lot of people were doing it and I just followed. I lost all sense of direction." Only one American was injured - a GI who had shot himself in the foot while clearing his pistol.

In one incident, a soldier, Robert Maples, refused an order to fire his machine gun on people in a ditch, even when his commanding officer trained his own weapon him. Hugh Thompson, a helicopter pilot had threatened to fire on the American troops in order to rescue Vietnamese women and children from the slaughter. After seeing U.S. troops advancing on a Vietnamese family, he landed his helicopter, called in gunships to rescue the civilians, and ordered his gunner to fire on any American who interfered.

Quote:

my first female Viet Cong prisoner to interrogate. She was maybe 14 years old at the oldest. She was captured and allowed to live, which was rare, because she was caught trying to throw a hand grenade at American soldiers, though she denied attempting to do so; typical response from savvy prisoners who knew it couldn't be "proven" after some days had gone by.

Bangyai · 27-07-2010, 05:39 PM

Interesting thread CM. Amidst all the brutality at My Lai its good to know that at least one or two individuals had the courage not to go along with the bloodlust of the mob, even though they put themselves at risk.

jandajoy · 27-07-2010, 05:41 PM

Word's fail but

Man's inhumanity to man known no bounds.

I remember thinking, years ago, that maybe one day we would have learnt our lesson well. That the like of the above would never reoccur.

How naive was I.

Probably why I hide away in a remote village and really don't want to have to much first hand involvement with so called "civilisation".

khang · 27-07-2010, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Word's fail but

Man's inhumanity to man known no bounds.

I remember thinking, years ago, that maybe one day we would have learnt our lesson well. That the like of the above would never reoccur.

How naive was I.

Probably why I hide away in a remote village and really don't want to have to much first hand involvement with so called "civilisation".

Right on .......

Well said .

The Master Cool · 28-07-2010, 11:03 AM

Great thread mate. Thanks.

wefearourdespot · 28-07-2010, 11:52 AM

wow , these gals fought and risked their lives to ensure themselves a life of misery and slavery under Vietkong rule ! Indeed a great example of outstanding moronity

wefearourdespot · 28-07-2010, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khang

Nice pics, CM. But you forgot to mention, they won !!

Forty years, and still, the west has not learned .......

They won ? The West did not learn ? Are you sure ? Vietnam is full of people working for two bucks a day to export the garments Western people buy for a pittance right now

The Master Cool · 28-07-2010, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Vietnam is full of people working for two bucks a day

That's 2 bucks more than 9.6% of Americas work for.

Blake7 · 28-07-2010, 12:16 PM

what was the name of the documentary?

Chairman Mao · 28-07-2010, 04:15 PM

History Channel - Vietnam's unseen war.

Interviews with photographers from both sides of the conflict. The young American freelancers and volunteers who were flown in in the morning, then flown back out to their hotel and party lifestyle in the evening. And the Viet Cong who were on the frontline with the most rudimentary equipment.

mc2 · 28-07-2010, 04:36 PM

They all look quite young in those photos.

I'm guessing, for many of them, their primary and perhaps only role was to provide "moral support" for the male soldiers in the evenings.

Chairman Mao · 28-07-2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc2

I'm guessing, for many of them, their primary and perhaps only role was to provide "moral support" for the male soldiers in the evenings.

You didn't actually look at the pictures, did you?

mc2 · 28-07-2010, 05:14 PM

yeh they sure look like "soldiers" to me...
more like they are there for "moral support" for the lads.
just look at the way she is tenderly clutching her firearm....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

ossierob · 28-07-2010, 06:06 PM

Great post C.M Thanks mate....I was in the RAN during the Vietnam conflict but didnt make Vietnam though my brother did 2 stints as an Army regular. I actually joined to go to Vietnam....goodness me how our thinking changes over time as I can see now that wars are but a total waste of time and energy and NOT the way to resolve anything...but when young with surging testosterone I wanted to be a part of it

mc2 · 28-07-2010, 06:50 PM

Thanks for the red, but I can see you have just copied the photos from this thread in another forum originally posted in feb 2010 - whats worse is that you copied the photo comments as well !

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=223263&view=findpost&p=4452269
eg:

Quote:

Nguyen Thi Minh Hien became a hero of the Vietnam Peoples Armed Forces with only 20 years. She participated 17 battles and killed 174 names.

Begbie · 28-07-2010, 07:11 PM

Well done CM, ignore Momo and Noodles.

Chairman Mao · 28-07-2010, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc2

Thanks for the red, but I can see you have just copied the photos from this thread in another forum originally posted in feb 2010 - whats worse is that you copied the photo comments as well !

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=223263&view=findpost&p=4452269
eg:

Quote:

Nguyen Thi Minh Hien became a hero of the Vietnam Peoples Armed Forces with only 20 years. She participated 17 battles and killed 174 names.

100% correct.

Although the comments are the (unverified) information given for each photo, which I feel adds more.

Actually about 70% are from that thread. With the rest from other forums/sites found from google imaging 'Vietnamese female soldiers', which I did after watching the documentary.

*shock*.

mc2 · 28-07-2010, 07:37 PM

^Shameless.

Chairman Mao · 28-07-2010, 07:44 PM

Shame, like guilt: a useless emotion.

Am sorry that I didn't get to take the photos M, but I was a few decades away from being born.

mc2 · 28-07-2010, 07:48 PM

^ you can always pretend you did, take the credit, and hope you get away with it.

Chairman Mao · 28-07-2010, 08:07 PM

Later to be the country's Minister for Tourism.

27-07-2010, 04:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
Chairman Mao Banned Last Online: 30-01-2013 08:22 AM Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,926	Photos: The female soldiers of the Vietnam war. Just watched a good doco on the photographers of the Vietnam war. Amazing really seeing some of the female soldiers who volunteered to defend their country with their lives. Some interesting pics from that period: Hao Lok, North Vietnam: Mai Thi La (left) and Nguyen Thi Thy man an anti-aircraft gun in this village in Thanh Hoa Province, North Vietnam. The Communists claim the girls are members of a women's battery which, according to the Reds, has shot down three American airmen. Nguyễn Thị Cần 1973 in Đường Trường Sơn NLF soldiers. the young girl in the centre was to go on and receive an important war medal. National Liberation Front female soldier in final offencive (1975) Phạm Văn Đồng, PM of Democratic Republic Vietnam Shooting a heavy 12.7mm machine gun. Nguyen Thi Minh Hien became a heroine of the Vietnam Peoples Armed Forces at 20 years. She participated 17 battles and killed 174 names. In the Soviet Union. The Woman in the center is Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in the Space, with two Vietnamese officers studying military courses from a USSR delegation 1968. Ladies operating AAA Guns. According to the American the AAA gunned down more than 4,500 aircraft in Vietnam A Japanese delegation led by Professor Makoto Kandatsu, President of the Japan-Vietnam Friendship Association visited an antiaircraft battery in Haiphong, October 19, 1971 With destroyed Enemy tank in 1970 Saigon 1975 Many became heroines. A range of stamps later released to honour their resistance. Capt. William Robinson It would be 7 years before he was released, and would be the longest ever PoW in US military history. http://www.134arw.ang.af.mil/news/st...p?id=123202607 Khong co' chi She is a Heroine from The Vietnam People's Army (Anh hùng lực lượng vũ trang nhân dân) in 1969 La Thị Tám VIET NAM - JUNE 10: Picture released 10 June 1972 by North Vietnamese official agency with a caption saying: 'Young women carry the ammunition to the front in Quang Tri province, south Vietnam.' 11 August 1972, the last American ground combat unit in South Vietnam, the 3rd Battalion of the 21st Infantry, packed up its weapons and left the base at Da Nang, South Vietnam, where US Marines landed in March 1965 in 'purely defensive role' PAVN officer in 1961 Last edited by Chairman Mao : 27-07-2010 at 05:14 PM.

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27-07-2010, 05:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
oky Member Last Online: Yesterday 11:50 AM Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 139	Great pics, thanks for posting!

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jandajoy Thailand Expat Last Online: 11-12-2012 08:39 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 19,642	Fascinating pics CM. Thanks.

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khang Member Last Online: 03-06-2011 10:06 AM Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 236	Nice pics, CM. But you forgot to mention, they won !! Forty years, and still, the west has not learned .......

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Bangyai jungle bunny tester Last Online: Today 12:13 AM Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Shit Creek, Turdsville. Posts: 5,211	Interesting thread CM. Amidst all the brutality at My Lai its good to know that at least one or two individuals had the courage not to go along with the bloodlust of the mob, even though they put themselves at risk.

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jandajoy Thailand Expat Last Online: 11-12-2012 08:39 AM Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 19,642	Word's fail but Man's inhumanity to man known no bounds. I remember thinking, years ago, that maybe one day we would have learnt our lesson well. That the like of the above would never reoccur. How naive was I. Probably why I hide away in a remote village and really don't want to have to much first hand involvement with so called "civilisation".

28-07-2010, 11:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
The Master Cool Thailand Expat Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,155	Great thread mate. Thanks.

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wefearourdespot I am in Jail Last Online: 01-05-2013 09:47 PM Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,286	wow , these gals fought and risked their lives to ensure themselves a life of misery and slavery under Vietkong rule ! Indeed a great example of outstanding moronity

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Blake7 Thailand Expat Last Online: Yesterday 02:53 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,639	what was the name of the documentary?

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Chairman Mao Banned Last Online: 30-01-2013 08:22 AM Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,926	History Channel - Vietnam's unseen war. Interviews with photographers from both sides of the conflict. The young American freelancers and volunteers who were flown in in the morning, then flown back out to their hotel and party lifestyle in the evening. And the Viet Cong who were on the frontline with the most rudimentary equipment.

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mc2 Member Last Online: 30-03-2013 01:28 AM Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 907	They all look quite young in those photos. I'm guessing, for many of them, their primary and perhaps only role was to provide "moral support" for the male soldiers in the evenings.

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Begbie On Remand Last Online: 21-05-2013 02:39 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lagrangian Point Posts: 8,814	Well done CM, ignore Momo and Noodles.

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mc2 Member Last Online: 30-03-2013 01:28 AM Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 907	^Shameless.

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Chairman Mao Banned Last Online: 30-01-2013 08:22 AM Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,926	Shame, like guilt: a useless emotion. Am sorry that I didn't get to take the photos M, but I was a few decades away from being born.

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mc2 Member Last Online: 30-03-2013 01:28 AM Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 907	^ you can always pretend you did, take the credit, and hope you get away with it.

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