Should be all over Youtube. You don't see much apart from the missus lobbing the rabbit punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
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Should be all over Youtube. You don't see much apart from the missus lobbing the rabbit punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
hilarious, she is more like a bodyguard or his mother than his wife I suppose :)
‪Murdoch Hearing Disrupted by Foam‬‏ - YouTube
is that the Belgium comedian who did a lot of celebrities ? he got Bill Gates and a ton of others
quite famous, maybe a copycat
Actually FOX showed the entire hearing live. I watched it from start to finish. Don't know if any other news channel did that...at least here in Thailand.Quote:
Originally Posted by KoojoHave you been listening to Fox news telling you it's a non issue again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
When you think about it it must be quite an issue for fox news to bother saying it's not.
Never seen anything so fair and balanced as that prick getting pounded in the face by the Ninja wife....:rofl:
Suspend your disbelief for a minute. Forget the emotive issue of the dead girl and the dead soldiers -- just for a minute -- because the suggestion (I'm making) is that this case is simply a vehicle for the powerful to prevent, in future, the truth about many of them coming to the attention of the public, more importantly, their 'consumers'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koojo
Ask yourself this.
Who gains most in the tabloid news game if 'leaks' and 'sources' were outlawed and only named sources were bona fide? Politicians, hi-profile business people - and their corporate interests - movie stars who's fake-personas are created by big media companies spending millions in marketing them (Sony, Grammy, etc), sports stars like Tiger Williams, Beckham, and of course Commons and Peers lying about their expenses.
I know this is, on the surface, about 'phone hacking' - but it could equally be about sifting through the rubbish to find old mail addressed to you or taking photos with a telephoto lens of a bible-thumping televangelist getting a blow job from a rent boy.
The media, the security services, the inteligence agencies, insurance companies, all kinds of special interests use underhanded tactics to get what they want.
If it's illegal should they be prosecuted and be punished - yes of course. Should phone hacking (on its own) be enough to launch multiple inquiries? I don't think so - that's my point - blowing this all out of proportion is a means to an end for the powerful. Let's see what happens in a year or so from now. Draconian legislation is my bet.
CNN carried to whole thing too.Quote:
Originally Posted by koman
You're confusing privacy with censorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom SawyerSuspend your disbelief for a minute. Forget the emotive issue of the dead girl and the dead soldiers -- just for a minute -- because the suggestion (I'm making) is that this case is simply a vehicle for the powerful to prevent, in future, the truth about many of them coming to the attention of the public, more importantly, their 'consumers'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koojo
Ask yourself this.
Who gains most in the tabloid news game if 'leaks' and 'sources' were outlawed and only named sources were bona fide? Politicians, hi-profile business people - and their corporate interests - movie stars who's fake-personas are created by big media companies spending millions in marketing them (Sony, Grammy, etc), sports stars like Tiger Williams, Beckham, and of course Commons and Peers lying about their expenses.
I know this is, on the surface, about 'phone hacking' - but it could equally be about sifting through the rubbish to find old mail addressed to you or taking photos with a telephoto lens of a bible-thumping televangelist getting a blow job from a rent boy.
The media, the security services, the inteligence agencies, insurance companies, all kinds of special interests use underhanded tactics to get what they want.
If it's illegal should they be prosecuted and be punished - yes of course. Should phone hacking (on its own) be enough to launch multiple inquiries? I don't think so - that's my point - blowing this all out of proportion is a means to an end for the powerful. Let's see what happens in a year or so from now. Draconian legislation is my bet.
I know a certain type (Paranoid Americans usually) looks for those links but here they are not.
This is NOT about censorship.
If anything your argument is back to front.
if harsher 'draconian' legislation is put in place regarding privacy laws and phone hacking etc it works AGAINST the agencies that would like to spy on us.
OK Tom, so you bottled out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koojo
Sorry, Tom, NO. They broke the law, it appears to be systemic and needs to be rooted out. That includes anyone who conspired.Quote:
Suspend your disbelief for a minute. Forget the emotive issue of the dead girl and the dead soldiers -- just for a minute -- because the suggestion (I'm making) is that this case is simply a vehicle for the powerful to prevent, in future, the truth about many of them coming to the attention of the public, more importantly, their 'consumers'.
If anything, it is the powerful that have been abusing their positions that want these enquiries stopped.
Who is banning "leaks" and "sources"? The enquiry is not into journalism, it's into illegal methods used to gain information, such as phone hacking and bribing the police.Quote:
Who gains most in the tabloid news game if 'leaks' and 'sources' were outlawed and only named sources were bona fide?
No it is not, unless it is illegal.Quote:
I know this is, on the surface, about 'phone hacking' - but it could equally be about sifting through the rubbish to find ld mail addressed to you or taking photos with a telephoto lens of a bible-thumping televangelist getting a blow job from a rent boy.
There is a big difference between "underhand" and "illegal".Quote:
The media, the security services, the inteligence agencies, insurance companies, all kinds of special interests use underhanded tactics to get what they want.
The phone hacking itself is not the only issue here - that's why when it came up back in the mid, err, '00's, not much was done about it. Had the other information, such as payments to the police, been made available, this would have happened back then. The question is how far did this go. I'm sure Murdochx2 and Brooks would like us to think it was a rogue reporter and a bent P.I. But what if you found out they knew about it?Quote:
If it's illegal should they be prosecuted and be punished - yes of course. Should phone hacking (on its own) be enough to launch multiple inquiries? I don't think so - that's my point - blowing this all out of proportion is a means to an end for the powerful. Let's see what happens in a year or so from now. Draconian legislation is my bet.
And what if you found out that they knowingly paid police officers for personal or confidential information?
I'm sorry, You seem to be saying that because this might lead to a few celebs getting blow jobs you don't know about, that we should gloss over it and let bent coppers, criminal politicians and corporate thieves get away with it.
Absolutely disagree.
And today's Home Affairs committee report should make EVERYONE sit up and take notice.
I'll let you read it yourself, but here's the summary:
And I take "catalog of failures" to read "desperate attempt at a cover up".Quote:
(Reuters) - A cross-party British parliamentary committee on Wednesday criticized News International's attempts to "deliberately thwart" a 2005-06 phone hacking investigation and said British police committed a "catalog of failures."
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Today should be fun. Watch as Cameron greases up with litres of non-stick SPF2000 :)
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On Wednesday Prime Minister David Cameron will be grilled by parliament over his decision to employ former News of the World editor Andy Coulson as his communications chief.
Duplicate post. TD is being a bit wanky today.
News International 'deliberately thwarted' police phone hacking inquiry
News International was guilty of attempting to “deliberately thwart” the original hacking inquiry, a scathing report by MPs said today.
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Keith Vaz's committee accused News International of undermining the police investigation Photo: PA
By Tom Whitehead, Home Affairs Editor
It also accused Scotland Yard of a "catalogue of failures" in the way it investigated the claims as it suggested that as many as 12,800 people may have been victims or affected by phone hacking.
The report, by the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, was rushed out just hours after the committee finished its inquiry in to the scandal and at the end of another day of high drama.
In a wide-ranging attack, the MPs also criticised individual officers, especially former Met assistant commissioner Andy Hayman, who it accused of having a "cavalier attitude" towards his contacts with News International figures who were under investigation.
The report suggested Mr Hayman may have “deliberately prevaricated” with the committee when pressed over his contacts with the news group “in order to mislead us”.
The MPs also said they agreed with former assistant commissioner John Yates' own assessment that his 2009 review of the investigation, which ended without a reopening of the case, was "very poor".
And they raised concerns that only 170 potential victims have been contacted by police so far, warning that it could now take a decade to inform all the possible victims.
The committee launched its investigation into unauthorised hacking last September and most recently has grilled key figures from the Metropolitan Police, including a session yesterday with the outgoing Met Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson and Mr Yates, who have both resigned this week over their contact with former News of the World executive Neil Wallis.
Last week, in evidence to the same select committee, detectives accused News International of deliberately attempting to thwart the first phone hacking investigation.
Peter Clarke, a former deputy assistant commissioner of the Met, said: "If at any time News International had offered some meaningful co–operation instead of lies, we would not be here today."
In today’s report, the committee concluded: “We deplore the response of News International to the original investigation into hacking.
“It is almost impossible to escape the conclusion voiced by Mr Clarke that they were deliberately trying to thwart a criminal investigation.”
It said members were “astounded at the length of time it has taken for News International to cooperate with the police” but also attacked officers for using it as a “reason for failing to mount a robust investigation”.
On Mr Hayman, it said that even if his relationships with News International were "entirely above board" they risked "seriously undermining confidence" in the impartiality of the police.
The report concluded: “Leaving aside the fact that his approach to our evidence session failed to demonstrate any sense of the public outrage at the role of the police in this scandal, we were very concerned about Mr Hayman’s apparently lackadaisical attitude towards contacts with those under investigation.”
“Even if all his social contacts with News International personnel were entirely above board, no information was exchanged and no obligations considered to have been incurred, it seems to us extraordinary that he did not realise what the public perception of such contacts would be—or, if he did realise, he did not care that confidence in the impartiality of the police could be seriously undermined.
“We do not expressly accuse Mr Hayman of lying to us in his evidence, but it is difficult to escape the suspicion that he deliberately prevaricated in order to mislead us. This is very serious.”
On Mr Yates, the MPs said he did not ask the right questions and that he was guilty of a "serious misjudgment".
The report called for extra funding to support Operation Weeting, the police hacking probe, warning it would take years to inform all potential victims without it.
They praised Deputy Assistant Commissioner Sue Akers' decision to contact all potential victims of phone hacking by the News of the World, but said they were "alarmed" that only 170 had have so far been informed.
Keith Vaz, the committee chairman, said: "There has been a catalogue of failures by the Metropolitan Police, and deliberate attempts by News International to thwart the various investigations.
"Police and prosecutors have been arguing over the interpretation of the law.
"The new inquiry requires additional resources and if these are not forthcoming, it will take years to inform all the potential victims. The victims of hacking should have come first and I am shocked that this has not happened."
MPs called for the swift and thorough investigation of claims journalists paid police for information, "which will help to establish whether or not such payments may have influenced police inquiries into phone hacking".
The committee also called for easier access to redress for those affected and extra powers to allow the Information Commissioner to deal with breaches of data protection, including phone hacking and blagging.
Mobile phone companies should also give clearer security advice to customers, it recommended. News International 'deliberately thwarted' police phone hacking inquiry - Telegraph
Sir Paul Stephenson, who resigned from his job as Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police on Sunday, has told MPs that he "regretted" the "embarrassing contract" in which he had hired a News of the World executive, Neil Wallis, as a PR consultant. But the outgoing top policeman of the UK said that it was "blindingly obvious" that Andy Coulson, hired at No. 10 Downing Street by Prime Minister David Cameron, had previously been mixed up in phone hacking.
Stephenson told MPs today that he learned only after Chamy Media's contract had come to an end that Wallis – who owned Chamy until it was dissolved in April this year – had a connection to the phone-hacking claims currently engulfing News Corp.
Stephenson told the Home Affairs select committee, chaired by MP Keith Vaz, that until January 2011, when he was on sick leave, he "had no reason to connect Wallis with phone-hacking... I had been given assurances that there was nothing new."
The commissioner batted away suggestions that he had "made a personal attack on the Prime Minister". He had said in his resignation letter that David Cameron made the wrong decision when he hired ex-NotW editor Andy Coulson as his official spokesman, even though there were clear connections to the previous phone-hacking probe carried out by the Met.
"When Mr Coulson resigned... by definition he associated his name with hacking. That is simply and blindingly obvious," he said.
Stephenson said that 17 per cent of his media contacts had been at the NotW, and added that 30 per cent involved News International employees. He pointed out that some 42 per cent of the UK's readership were hooked into NI titles.
He said it was therefore only natural to be involved in a dialogue with reporters at the News Corp-owned company.
Stephenson also admitted that he was consulted before Wallis was appointed by the Met.
"I regret we went into that contract, quite clearly, because it's embarrassing," said Stephenson.
He wasn't involved in the procurement process of Chamy Media, but said he had no issue with Wallis's employment between October 2009 and September 2010. He also said that he had not been aware that Wallis's daughter also worked at the Met.
Meanwhile, Scotland Yard's director of public affairs and internal communication, Dick Fedorcio – who shortly faces a grilling from MPs scrutinising the phone-hacking scandal – has been referred by the Met to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
"The context of this referral is in connection with the ongoing high level public interest in the relationship between News International and the MPS and, in particular, the relationship between Neil Wallis and Mr Fedorcio and the circumstances under which the contract was awarded to Chamy Media," said the Met in a statement.
Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp., which already abandoned its 7.8 billion-pound ($12.5 billion) bid for full control of British Sky Broadcasting Group Plc (BSY) because of a phone-hacking scandal, is now being challenged on whether it should be allowed to keep its existing stake.
An examination by regulators of BSkyB’s directors and owners may also determine whether James Murdoch can stay on as non-executive chairman of Britain’s biggest pay-TV operator. The younger Murdoch, who has overseen the News International U.K. arm since 2007, said this month the company misled Parliament and he regretted approving settlements to some hacking victims. Those alleged hacking incidents happened before he took over.
Ofcom, the U.K. broadcast regulator, has the power to revoke BSkyB’s license should it rule that executives are not “fit and proper” to hold it. Prime Minister David Cameron and opposition Labour party leader Ed Miliband have intensified calls to review the Murdochs’ influence in local media as the managers give evidence to a parliamentary committee today.
“News Corp. executives and non-executive directors have shown themselves completely unable to control what was going on in the paper and make sure the company’s acting within the law,” Chris Bryant, a Labour lawmaker, said in an interview. “That raises questions about whether they should have any stake in BSkyB.”
‘Relevant Misconduct’
“We strenuously refute any suggestion that Sky is not a ’fit and proper’ holder of a broadcasting license,” BSkyB spokesman Robert Fraser said in an e-mail. “No such claim has been made in over 20 years of operation.”
News Corp. (NWSA) spokeswoman Miranda Higham declined to comment.
Ofcom evaluates “any relevant misconduct” when deciding whether a license holder is “fit and proper.” The watchdog said late yesterday that it started meeting relevant authorities investigating the phone-hacking scandal as part of its own assessment of BSkyB and its owners. The regulator may act if it finds evidence that a person is unfit to own a license, even before the conclusion of a criminal investigation, it said.
This is the first time Ofcom Chief Executive Officer Ed Richards has had to deal with a “fit and proper” test of this type. The test was used last year to revoke a license held by adult entertainment companies Bang Channels Ltd. and Bang Media Ltd. for airing too sexually explicit materials on their “Tease Me” channels for pre-watershed hours.
Edwards’ Dilemma
“He’s politically aware, but that doesn’t make him a political player,” Stewart Purvis, a former partner at Ofcom and professor of television journalism at City University in London, said about Richards’ role. “He has to make it clear that Ofcom knows what’s going on, but is also aware of the constraints which the law rightly puts upon them.”
Concerns about individual directors can be resolved by removing them from the board, said a person with knowledge of the matter who declined to be named because deliberations are confidential.
News Corp. abandoned its bid for the remaining 61 percent in BSkyB on July 13 after the phone-hacking scandal caused unified opposition in the government to the deal. The scandal has wiped about $8 billion off News Corp.’s market value since the Guardian reported on July 4 that the News of the World tabloid in 2002 hacked into the voice mails of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler and deleted messages.
Bloomberg LP, the parent of Bloomberg News, competes with News Corp. units in providing financial news and information.
James Murdoch, 38, became CEO of BSkyB in 2003 and left that post in 2007 to run News Corp.’s television, newspaper and digital operations in Europe, Asia and the Middle East. At the time, he was named non-executive chairman of BSkyB.
Linkage?
In announcing the closure of the News of the World July 7, the younger Murdoch said that out-of-court settlements he approved while running News International were “wrong.” The settlements were criticized in Parliament during an emergency debate a day earlier, when Labour lawmaker Tom Watson said Murdoch should face criminal charges and was unsuitable to be a director.
“If James Murdoch were to be charged, then that would seem to me that you have a linkage,” City University’s Purvis said. “What would you do then, would you say BSkyB loses its license or would you say that you need to find a new chairman?”
Rebekah Brooks, the former News of the World editor who stepped down last week as News International CEO, was arrested in London July 17. Les Hinton, who was overseeing News International at the time of the alleged phone-hacking, resigned the same day.
Earlier this month, police arrested another former News of the World editor, Andy Coulson. Last week, police detained a former deputy to Coulson, Neil Wallis.
‘Weak Regulation’
“What’s happened is a consequence of having very, very weak regulation of media ownership,” said John Cryer, a Labour lawmaker representing a London seat. “We’ve allowed Murdoch to buy up whatever he wanted, whenever he fancied. Other countries have far better rules to prevent individuals amassing stakes in the media. We’ve got to move toward that.”
News International also publishes the Times and Sunday Times newspapers in the U.K.
One of BSkyB’s largest shareholders is closely monitoring Murdoch’s position although it hasn’t held discussions with independent directors, a person close to the investor group said, declining to be named because the matter is not public.
In addition to the police and parliamentary probes, Cameron appointed Lord Justice Brian Leveson to conduct a judicial inquiry into phone hacking, the behavior of the press, police and politicians, and media regulation.
‘Fit and Proper’
The U.K. government won’t give Ofcom’s Richards any instructions as the regulator an independent body, a person familiar with matter said yesterday.
Ofcom had initially investigated News Corp. when it attempted to buy BSkyB. As political pressure surrounding allegations that the News of the World had hacked into voicemails and paid police for stories mounted, Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt asked Ofcom whether they could trust News Corp.’s proposed undertakings.
As the Murdochs appear before lawmakers today, at stake is not only the company’s reputation. James Murdoch’s future may also be on the line.
“If it’s proved in any way, shape or form that James Murdoch was aware of what was going on and he didn’t stop it, he has a problem,” said Steve Malcolm, an analyst at Evolution Securities who has a "reduce" rating on BSkyB shares.
In fairness, I don't think the quote from his book that has been going around said anything like she described (it's somewhere earlier in the thread). He did say that he discovered the default password vulnerability and he thought people should know about it:
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Former British tabloid editor Piers Morgan has demanded an apology from a lawmaker who made claims about him admitting to phone hacking, at the London hearing which quizzed Rupert Murdoch.
In an angry on-air exchange, Morgan, who is now a celebrity interviewer for US television news network CNN, challenged Member of Parliament Louise Mensch to repeat her claim that he had "boasted" of phone hacking in a book about his tabloid editor days.
She declined to do so, saying she had been covered by parliamentary privilege -- which protects her from legal action for anything said inside parliament -- a protection which does not apply if she repeats the words elsewhere.
In the committee hearing which grilled Murdoch and his son James over the phone hacking scandal rocking the tycoon's media empire, Mensch said Morgan had boasted about using a phone hacking "little trick" to win a scoop of the year award.
"That is a former editor of the Daily Mirror being very open about his personal use of phone hacking," she said in the hearing.
But Morgan, a former editor of the Mirror and of Murdoch's now-shuttered News of the World, said he had never claimed to have used phone hacking himself in his 2005 book "The Insider: The Private Diaries of a Scandalous Decade."
"I'm amused by her cowardice in refusing to repeat that allegation now that shes not in parliament covered by privilege," Morgan said in the on-air exchange with Mensch, who was in London.
"She came out with an absolute blatant lie during those proceedings. At no stage in my book or indeed outside of my book have I ever boasted of using phone hacking for any stories."
And he added: "For the record, in my time at the Mirror and the News of the World I have never hacked a phone, told anybody to hack a phone or published any story based on the hacking of a phone."
In an increasingly tetchy exchange, during which Mensch said Morgan was a rich man and accused him of threatening her, the former newspaperman added: "I think you should apologize for being a liar."
He repeatedly bashed her for invoking parliamentary privilege and said Mensch should "show some balls" and repeat her claims outside the hearing.
Asking her to produce evidence to back her claim, he said: "If there is no evidence for that, are you going to publicly apologize to me, and to CNN right now for such an outrageous lie?"
"I feel no need whatsoever to apologize," said the lawmaker.
She also miss quoted Rupert Murdoch in her little speech, more incompetence...
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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
british and american journalists, correspondents, have shown that
henry kissinger was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands
including young americans and exterminating democratically elected leaders.
may have brought down a president but the real monster kissinger is protected by
the american human right system.
compared to kissinger, murdock was playing party games. :)
that kissinger is free to walk the streets is an absolute disgrace.
I must admit I did chuckle when Sepp Blatter decided to bring Kissinger in to join the committee investigating corruption in FIFA!Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kidQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
british and american journalists, correspondents, have shown that
henry kissinger was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands
including young americans and exterminating democratically elected leaders.
may have brought down a president but the real monster kissinger is protected by
the american human right system.
compared to kissinger, murdock was playing party games. :)
that kissinger is free to walk the streets is an absolute disgrace.
:rofl:
billy the kid/ got too agree 100 p/c,must be one of the most powerfull f---s on this planet..anything that happens he,s got a big say, along with g bush snr /quote/..if the people knew what we done,they would chase us down the street and lynch us ...
didn't watch all of it but thought that it
was all a waste of time
questions were piss weak.
murdock was and is a newspaperman<never mind the 1% tiny fraction of his business>
hands on kinda guy, so he must have had knowledge of how tings work.
convenient that a guy who knew a lot about this topps himself.
and of course 'no suspicious circumstances' according to the police
look forward to see how cameron wriggles.
CHUCKLE..i fell off me chair,and burnt me lip on me joint ...Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaI must admit I did chuckle when Sepp Blatter decided to bring Kissinger in to join the committee investigating corruption in FIFA!Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kidQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
british and american journalists, correspondents, have shown that
henry kissinger was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands
including young americans and exterminating democratically elected leaders.
may have brought down a president but the real monster kissinger is protected by
the american human right system.
compared to kissinger, murdock was playing party games. :)
that kissinger is free to walk the streets is an absolute disgrace.
:rofl:
and he won the nobel prize for it,Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kid
I don't care how high up the NI food chain they are, there is no fucking way either of the Murdochs were not party to a one million pound settlement of any kind!Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kid
paying legal expences for those convicted of hacking.
and james hadn't a clue about who authorised those payments.
i thought these guys were smart :rolleyes: