Thread: Work-shy will be 'pushed' into working for free by welfare revolution

you lazy southern gits !

Originally Posted by Sdigit

But the government aren't creating new jobs at the moment, there activly putting massive numbers of people employed in the public sector out of work.

What value are public sector jobs? Yes it keeps people off the dole, but just shuffling paper is difficult to compete with people actually producing stuff in other countries.

Originally Posted by Sdigit

It would follow that by taking this new and cheep supply of labour to clean the streets, empty bins, work on government prodjects or whatever is going to put even more of these public workers out of work thus compleating the viscious little circle that they themselves are busy creating.

What would you prefer? Them to tattoo the pattern of the fabric of their sofa on their fat arse? Every country has cheap labour to a degree. Unfortunately the governments of some of the western countries would rather people who do work to pay for people to sit on their arse rather then work. The products that should have been made locally are now made overseas. No wonder the UK is in decline.

Originally Posted by Sdigit

Of course the newly laidoff workers will then be in compition with the five million unwashed compeating for the 1 million jobs avaliable in Blighty just now.
So what do the government think that they will actually achieve with this ill conceived plan, apart from cutting more cost for them and putting even more public sector workers out of work, people that acualy deserve to have a job.
Nah, Davids got to come up with something better than this demonising load of tosh.

Sorry the UK needs to gain private sector employment rather then a public sector employment. How is it going to pay the bills when it produces nothing and pays people not to be employed or to push paper between desks?

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Those forced to take up Work Activity Placements will be expected to spend 30 hours a week for four weeks at a time in a local business or project benefiting the community.

This has been tried before.

I remember a florist client of mine got one of these placements some thirty years ago.

He turned up late for work on his first day and asked "are you the tart wot does the flowers then?" and spend all day insulting her and the customers until he was sent home.

His replacement called in sick on her second day with acne.

Stop their payouts and let them feel the crack of the whip on their backs! Lazy dogs!

When i see hand outs given to foreigners that have contributed zip to this country i feel indigenous brits do deserve better.

Through my father and his family they have worked all their lives contributed tax all their lives fought for britain, and i have contributed all my life.

my daughter is now taking a year out of university, lack of funds and i am not as busy as i used to be, so can not help now due to recession, my son is working, but never on more than a 3 month contract. If my kids get entangled in this shite and are treated the same as abdul who has just arrived in this country then i'm afraid the system will breed a sense of serious discontent.

As with my previous post, this system is wrong.

In the local Matalan they now have eight yes eight of these work placement employees working for peanuts and as long as the jobs are scarce no real jobs will be created, these xmas jobs in matalan would have been filled with agency workers on at least a resemblance of a wage not 1.55pence an hour.

As before this is an ill concieved idea.

Why are we still letting in immigrants when we truly have no vacacies, if so then these are the people that should be working for 1.55pence an hour and force the indigenous to work for the agencies.

Originally Posted by Sdigit

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by Sdigit

Originally Posted by Bangyai
Some five million people are currently claiming out of work benefits in the UK

Are there even Five million jobs available in Blighty at the moment.

Eithen if there isn't, their employment has the knock on effect of making more jobs. The decrease in social security payments and the increase in tax collected will enable the government to put more resourses into job creation and infrastructure projects.

But the government aren't creating new jobs at the moment, there activly putting massive numbers of people employed in the public sector out of work. It would follow that by taking this new and cheep supply of labour to clean the streets, empty bins, work on government prodjects or whatever is going to put even more of these public workers out of work thus compleating the viscious little circle that they themselves are busy creating.
Of course the newly laidoff workers will then be in compition with the five million unwashed compeating for the 1 million jobs avaliable in Blighty just now.
So what do the government think that they will actually achieve with this ill conceived plan, apart from cutting more cost for them and putting even more public sector workers out of work, people that acualy deserve to have a job.
Nah, Davids got to come up with something better than this demonising load of tosh.

If done right, it's the correct plan.

Bus conductors on all buses (they did exactly this some years ago on AMsterdam trams with long term doleys), sweep streets with brushes and a cart and get rid of the noisy machines (bad for Jap-Ger manufacturers of machines, many extra 'jobs', one driver --> one paid serpervisor and 10 sweepers), provide assistance and companionship to the elderly in homes, etc etc etc.

Unemployed regain a purpose to their life and self respect, perhaps move on to a job [or not].
The only group for whom it doesn't work is long term claimants living in Thailand or Spain. None of those here are there?

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Originally Posted by Sdigit

But the government aren't creating new jobs at the moment.

And there's the rub. In many areas there are just not enough jobs. However, as Bower pointed out , this situation has been worsened by too much red tape that often discourages any entrepreneurial people from starting up some little money earner to help themselves.
By the time the unions, health and safety,the taxman etc have had there say, its often very difficult to get marginal business off the ground.
From time to time various governments have come up with schemes to help people help themselves but sometimes they don't last long or are over complicated.

This scheme is about getting the unemployed into the RYTHM of work (as well as an easy way to weed out some frauds - the Islington Nigerian who invented 80 bods and claimed dole for them all will quickly show up when the bods rae required to be on the end of a brush handle)
ETA: IOW it ain't about creating new jobs but pushing individuals towards experience that will encourage them into work or making their own jobs.

I agree that all the rules and systems stop people getting small business off the ground. The other thing that prevents both the business happenning and people protesting enough that these rules are changed or ignored is the supply of free money from hardworking-joe-taxpayer.

Imagine what would happen if all the UK regs were applied in Thailand, vendors would riot or starve (not to mention all their customers who rely on them for daily needs). I'm guessing they would riot.

All smoke and mirrors, been tried before and failed. If you cut lots of people off benefit you had better build lots of prisons/ Jim

The UK now has a conservative Government born in the mould of thatcher.

Within months the UK has seen a two-year freeze n benefit increases, an increase in VAT, a review of benefits paid to the disabled and now proposals which will, in effect, force hundreds of thousands to work for slave labour wages in factories. We are even seeing the sale of State assets to ensure the wealthy do not have to pay higher taxes.

Cameron has five years and he will be thrown out, by which time interest rates will be punitive, the consequent repossessions will be stripping the middle class of their homes and the underclass will be an even greater proportion of the population.

The problem is that this will usher in an even more left wing bunch of looneys.

How can the UK gov be of the Thatcher mould, when it's anchored down by the Libs? And of course that's assuming Cameron has balls which he doesn't, unlike Thatcher.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

If you cut lots of people off benefit you had better build lots of prisons/ Jim

There's a job for them.

One of this forum's most respected members knows me very well and can testify to the truth of what I say here.

For over 15 years I've battled severe lung problems, until very recently I've not been able to climb a single flight of stairs without stopping to get my breath. Catching a simple cold would invariably end up as bronchitis, coughing up blood has been a common experience.

So how much time have I had off work in the past 15 years?

On average less than a couple of days off work sick a year.

The last time I was working in the UK I rented an apartment in which over half the residents were long term unemployed - Young people fitter than I am, not working and getting their housing paid for from my taxes (and let's not forget the taxes of people on low incomes who are themselves struggling to make ends meet).

I used to pass one of my neighbours on the way home from work - A face full of tattoos, pins, studs and hair died green covered - Begging on the street with her pet dog (for which she gets a dog food allowance).

But apart from the well groomed appearance that shouts 'Fuck off I don't want a job' there was nothing wrong with her.

She was bright, personable and a damn site fitter than me.

But the bitch was riding on my back and on the back of everyone else who gets off their arse and works.

I say remove the subsidy farmers get for machinery and get these lazy fuckers picking spuds.

Originally Posted by Itchy

I say remove the subsidy farmers get for machinery and get these lazy fuckers picking spuds.

There you go, there's always a solution.
Of course it'll have the council estate chavs up in arms but who cares.
I've always thought work for the dole was a viable Idea.

Originally Posted by Itchy

I used to pass one of my neighbours on the way home from work - A face full of tattoos, pins, studs and hair died green covered - Begging on the street with her pet dog (for which she gets a dog food allowance).

Which part of Belgravia are you shacked up in ?

Originally Posted by meepho

When i see hand outs given to foreigners that have contributed zip to this country i feel indigenous brits do deserve better.

Yes one in particular comes to mind ,,, our friend ? the Egyptian now English citizen Abu Hamsa draws £682 per week in benefits and has so far cost the UK taxpayer in excess of £3.5 million 1.5 of that being his legal aid to stop him loosing his citizenship ,,,,,,,, I will be looking carefully as I drive my lorry around to see if I can spot him picking litter in North London where he lives.
Untill that piece of shit is out there doing it the rest of them should tell the government to fuck off

There are people who have never worked a day in their lives, some in their late twenties early thirties, they have a brood of kids to get all the benefits going then sit on their arse till the kids grow up, they laugh at people like my father who now lives on his own having started a small business in his younger days, creating jobs and paying tax, he lost out during the recent recession, but every penny he now gets is means tested because of his former status. We all had our bank records examined to see if my father was hiding money to get benefits, what a joke, he gets 108 pounds a week, min state pension which has been topped up to minimum income guarantee, they were looking for monies in order to save 35.75p which was the top up amount. Took 7 months for investigation god know how much in money that cost to save less than 2000 per year, and so because he was self employed he coud be paid less than someone who never did a days work in his life. At its peak my father employed 20 people all paying tax and my father's company paying employer's NI contributions. England is for everyone but the English, or the people who play it straight, you need to lie cheat and steal your way to retirement, god help you if you do well then fall on harder times don't tell the bastards, or Say you are an asylum seeker with 8 children and 3 wives no means testing then.

a review of benefits paid to the disabled

I see nothing wrong with this. I'm sick of the lazy arses going to the quack, claiming "depression" and then getting a permanent handout and a free prozac prescription.

I don't think the gov't review is aimed at those who actually are disabled.

And before anyone jumps down my throat about not taking mental illness seriously, I'm not talking about victims of that either.

I'm talking about the skivers, and that's all they are, that abuse the system.

They all seem to be able to afford to drink, smoke and have Sky TV, perhaps if that wasn't the case they might be more inclined to get off their arses.

Originally Posted by keda

How can the UK gov be of the Thatcher mould, when it's anchored down by the Libs? And of course that's assuming Cameron has balls which he doesn't, unlike Thatcher.

ROFL - Cameron is simply keeping the Liberals sweet with talk of proportional representation...until he no longer needs them.

The Liberals have the power to join Labour in opposition if they want, and disappear ito obscurity once again.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by keda

How can the UK gov be of the Thatcher mould, when it's anchored down by the Libs? And of course that's assuming Cameron has balls which he doesn't, unlike Thatcher.

ROFL - Cameron is simply keeping the Liberals sweet with talk of proportional representation...until he no longer needs them.

The Liberals have the power to join Labour in opposition if they want, and disappear ito obscurity once again.

I think you're being overgenerous with the street cred to Cameron. After Labour's shenanigan's a muppet could've won that election, and some say did.

The Libs are destined for obscurity anyway, and no tears from here because that's where they belong, but let them whisper sweet nothings to Labour and Britain will burn.

As usual it's the UK government that has managed to get itself into a mess concerning benefit payments or so it would seem.

Jobseekers allowance is only initially paid for 13 weeks and applicants are expected to attend job interviews and also attend a jobsearch review every fortnight. A longer and stricter review takes place after 13 weeks of allowances.

To permit applicants to claim indefinite jobseekers allowance would seem to be generous in the extreme. Of course there may be some genuine long term applicants but it seems that Ian Duncan Smith appears to be giving the impression to the electorate that the idle are in indeterminate receipt, which of course if they are then the fault clearly lies with government policy.

I suspect that this is not the case and it maybe merely a timely 'public confidence' speech, bearing in mind the austerity measures that are very shortly to be applied to the working masses by the government

good idea get these malingerers into doing some usefull work ,most on incapacity benefits are on the fiddle and working on the side .
2 cases were exposed recently ,2 old gits ,one break dancing and one was a gymnast.
they had the cheek to claim they were invalid after being exposed .
nail the lot of them

I have recently had cancer and a long session of cymo, this has put me very down and asI want to work again I cannot until this treatment is completed,But the Jobcentre still expect me to attend for job search,They then put me on disability after being assesed, OK I thought this would give me time to recover> NO No now I have to report to disability adviser to find work I can just about walk through the J/C door. Do they do the same to long term unemployed NO because someone like me at the moment is a easy option.Long term unemployed know their rights and would cause trouble in J/C

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Best of luck to you mate, I hope you're on the upward swing as they say..