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Bali Nine duo Andrew Chan, Myuran Sukumaran: executions may be delayed
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FORMER foreign minister Bob Carr believes Australia should form a pact with other countries to tackle drug trafficking into Indonesia in exchange for the Bali Nine ringleaders on death row.
The government should do some “quick work” with countries like Brazil and France, who also have citizens on Indonesian death row, and present a package to help the nation’s drug problems, Mr Carr says.
The anti-drug policing pact would require commitment and funding and focus on stopping drugs getting into Indonesia’s region. “Our efforts should be directed at giving them reasons sufficient to justify to their people that they can grant clemency in this case,” Mr Carr told ABC radio on Friday.
The government has been pleading with Indonesian officials to spare the pair’s lives, with Foreign Minister Julie Bishop floating a prisoner-swap deal.
Mr Carr said granting clemency for the duo would add to Indonesia’s case for clemency of their own citizens on death row in other countries.
But he said Indonesia had been burnt by political backlash before, when clemency was granted to Australian drug smuggler Schapelle Corby.
Carr’s suggestion comes as the executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran and eight others could be delayed by ten days or more.
A source has revealed to News Corporation that on Wednesday night the Attorney General’s office called Bali prosecutions officials to tell them there was a further delay, but the reason is unclear.
The team from the Bali office, who were to be present and officiate at the executions on the prison island of Nusakambangan, were last night in the process of returning to Denpasar.
The development came as Indonesia rejected Foreign Minister Julie Bishop’s offer of a prisoner swap.
But while Australian officials are working to save the pair the two Australians were deeply humiliated during their flight from Bali to Java when a police officer had a photo taken of himself smiling with Chan.
Chan looked stricken as Commissioner Djoko treated him like a tourist attraction, as the men were escorted on the journey to their final days on earth. Similar photos were published of officers posing with Sukumaran, who appeared equally distressed.
The preposterous happy snaps were in stark contrast to the use of extreme force Indonesia deployed in transferring the men, who were treated like high-value terrorists.
Sickening ... Commissioner Djoko was quoted as saying he was trying to give them ‘spirit’. Source: Supplied
After News Corp reported the story, the officer, Commissioner Djoko said he was trying to “raise the spirits” of the pair.
“I have a sense of humanity to make stronger to face this situation. At that time I was giving them spirit. I had met them before,” he said.
“I said, ‘are you okay, right?’
They both answered “yes Sir, I am fine.”
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade will today lodge a formal complaint over the pictures with the Indonesian Ambassador at its offices in Canberra.
Tony Abbott described the photos as “unbecoming” and said they “showed a lack of respect and a lack of dignity”.
He said he is yet to speak with President Widodo, despite requests to the Indonesian leader, but that he was hopeful of making a personal representation.
“I do want to assure people that in a whole host of different ways, we are continuing to make our positions absolutely crystal clear,” he told reporters in Canberra.
On Thursday during questions time Abbott appealed directly to Indonesia to “pull back from this brink” and spare the men.
“Don’t just realise what is in your own best interests but realise what is in your own best values,” the Prime Minister said as Chan and Sukumaran’s families were arriving in Cilacap.
“I want the best for Indonesia. Indonesia is a country on the cusp of greatness but how can it possibly help Indonesia to go ahead with these executions?”
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But Jakarta appears unwavering in resolve to execute the two and up to eight others in coming days, with the chairman of the House of Representatives, Setya Novanto, said Indonesia would not consider Ms Bishop’s suggestion of a prisoner swap.
“We reject it, because this our supremacy of law,” he said.
“The final decision for the Bali Nine duo is fixed.”
Indonesia’s Attorney General HM Prasetyo added: “Now, I ask you, are you willing to exchange the people who have poisoned our nation? It’s unbalanced. But, the point is that it has never been conducted, and never thought of,” he said.
Yesterday families of the men who arrived in the port town of Cilacap were too late to catch the morning boat that takes visitors the short ride to the island but other non-family visitors who attempted to see the men were turned away.
The human rights group KontraS returned from a frustrated attempt to see the death-row inmates, describing the situation on the island as “sterile”.
This meant the island was in lockdown in preparation for the executions, and some returning from the island said the Australians were already in isolation cells.
The fact that friends — including Pastor Daniel Alexander, who knows Chan from Kerobokan prison — were yesterday refused access to Chan was thought to be a bad sign.
It now appears only family, consular officials and nominated spiritual advisers will have access to the isolation cells where death-row prisoners are locked down prior to the execution.
Mr Prasetyo has suggested that the executions could be 10 days off yet.
“The notice is at least three days before the execution, could have 10 days,” he said.
And a News Corporation source close to the execution organisation says Mr Prasetyo personally ordered the delay.
News Corp has learned prosecutors from all different regions of Indonesia, who had come to Cilacap to prepare, have all been stood down and gone home.
Prosecutors from the regions where the other 10 were convicted were also arriving in Cilacap in preparation for the executions.
The reason for the delay is not known but could relate to the fact that one of the prisoners on the list of 10 to be executed, Philippino Mary Jane Veloso is in the process of having a judicial review heard in the Jogjakarta District Court.
The first day of the hearing, which heard witness testimony, was Wednesday and the case has now been sent to the Supreme Court for a decision which is pending and for which there is no date.
Her judicial review relates to her lack of a proper translator at her original trial. The translator appointed spoke English but Veloso speaks Tagalog.
While news of the delay has sent some officials back home the boy’s families are staying in Cilacap.
For the past week, only Sukumaran’s mother Raji and Chan’s brother Michael — along with Chan’s girlfriend had remained in Bali, making daily vigils into Kerobokan prison to see the men as they waited on a knife-edge for their transfer to Nusakambangan.
The other Sukumaran family members had returned to Sydney last week to take care of matters there.\
Chan’s ageing and frail parents, Helen and Ken, returned to Sydney three weeks ago. Mr Chan, who had suffered a fall, a hospital stay and surgery before coming to Bali, then had another fall the day of his flight to Bali and was barely coping.
But with her son’s life in the balance, Mrs Chan has returned to Indonesia to hug and kiss her son one last time. Mr Chan was too frail to make the arduous journey and has remained in Sydney with Chan’s two sisters.
Bali Nine executions: Andrew Chan, Myuran Sukumaran?s executions may be delayed
Suffer on boys.
Som nom na.
Peddle in misery, become miserable.
South East Asians have no concept of this.Quote:
But while Australian officials are working to save the pair the two Australians were deeply humiliated during their flight from Bali to Java when a police officer had a photo taken of himself smiling with Chan.
People who have done wrong and are at their mercy are there to be humiliated, laughed at and jeered. Like 2 twelve year olds would do to a monkey in a cage in a Zoo.
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Its a pile of shit really,
All this bolliks over a picture when the other 7 couriers are rotting away in Jail for a crime these two master minded. :confused:
The 7 others knew what they were doing. They were strapping on a product that delivers misery, in a country where doing so results in a death sentence. Sure, most were young n dumb, but their crime wasn't set up, like Viktor Bout's for example.
If their punishment results in other Aussies from doing the same thing than it is a successful outcome.
Don't want to spend the rest of your life in a shithole Indonesian prison, don't go there and deal in Heroin.
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I agree entirely,
Also we must remember the Bali 9 orchestrated this crime at a time when Corby was in Jail and drug smuggling through Bali was all over the Australian news every 2 seconds.
There is no mitigating circumstances in this episode except the smugglers were out to make as much money as possible and at the same time totally disregard Indonesia's harsh drug laws.
Really stiff shit innit.
A photo on the Plane and every fucktard is crying a river. :confused:
Stupid coonts.
^Indeed.
Execution as spectacle: why the Bali nine duo were treated like the world's most dangerous men
Bali nine security 'extraordinary'
Heavy military and police presence surround the transfer of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran from Kerobokan prison to the airport reports Tom Allard from Bali.
The absurd display of military muscle during the transfer of Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan to the site of their execution was as much about whipping up the nationalist fervour of Indonesians as sending any message to Australia.
Hundreds of masked and heavily armed security personnel took Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, reformed and compliant prisoners by all accounts, to Nusakambangan prison complex on Wednesday, shadowed by Sukhoi fighter jets equipped with missiles.
The bizarre and degrading spectacle is part of a trend, not just in the executions of drug felons, but of the presidency of Joko Widodo, widely known as Jokowi.
Lauded upon his election as a progressive force from outside Indonesia's graft-ridden elites, Jokowi as president has emerged as a leader much more like the man he defeated, former military hardman and ultra-nationalist Prabowo Subianto.
Jokowi is sincere about grappling with the drugs problem in Indonesia, even if he has a poor understanding of the dimensions and cause of the "national crisis".
But, from the outset, he has used the kind of anti-foreign theatrics popular with Indonesia's first leader Sukarno, who was the father of Jokowi's political patron Megawati Soekarnoputri.
While Sukarno used nationalist rhetoric to distract the population from a collapsing economy, Jokowi has engaged in the same tactics at a time when his personal popularity has been on the slide.
Jokowi has mishandled the issue that concerns Indonesians most – the rampant corruption in its police force, judiciary and other national institutions.
As the police have threatened to arrest members of the respected Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK), Jokowi has put forward two candidates for police chief identified as having "suspicious bank accounts".
As the scandal engulfed him, Jokowi called in the navy to blow up captured illegal fishing boats before invited television crews.
Soon after, Jokowi announced he would rapidly accelerate executions as he declared a drugs emergency.
The awful irony is that eradicating corruption in the police and judiciary would be a far more effective tool in combating drug trafficking than killing low level couriers and organisers.
The kingpins invariably get off in Indonesia by paying large bribes.
It is instructive that almost half of the 64 drug felons on death row are Indonesians but,
of the six killed so far and 10 slated to face the firing squad in the near future, 14 are foreigners.
The Australian government is not entirely blameless in all this. It, too, has fomented hostile sentiment in Indonesia, not least Tony Abbott's remarks tying tsunami aid to clemency for Chan and Sukumaran.
Australia has also burned the fishing boats of Indonesians who have strayed into Australian waters. Then there were the incursions by Australian navy vessels into Indonesian waters to "turn back the boats" laden with asylum seekers.
Both policies have angered Indonesians, and ripened the climate for Jokowi to exploit nationalist sentiment.
Sadly, the most macabre event of this sorry saga is yet to come.
That will happen when nine men and one woman – including Chan and Sukumaran – will be lined up in a clearing in the jungles of Nusakambangan and shot dead simultaneously by 120 police officers.
Execution as spectacle: why the Bali nine duo were treated like the world's most dangerous men
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Originally Posted by ENT
Once again the writer drifts off into an area which is totally irrelevant.
He tries to tell us that having no corruption in the force will combat Drug trafficking. :confused:
Erm, no it would not ,
All that would happen is that the Scum drug traffickers could not pay of corrupt cops so more would be prosecuted and more executions would take place.
Further more he tells us Indonesia is killing low level drug traffickers. ???
This is blatantly untrue, the people being executed have been busted smuggling large quantities of class one drugs into or out of Indonesia.
In the case of the Bali 9 it was 8 fuking Kilo of Smack. ???
I despise Do-gooders but I despise Journalists even more, They use their words to distort and spin stories into an area which the dumb people cannot see through.
Luckily most Australians see straight through Journalists and disregard their shite.
The vocal minority are crying over this story where most are just calling it for what it is.
8 kilo of smack will cost these two their life.
It was their call.
I'm not happy about it or sad about it, I simply say,
Whatever dude.
That's all they are all low level mules.Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Once again the writer drifts off into an area which is totally irrelevant.
He tries to tell us that having no corruption in the force will combat Drug trafficking. :confused:
Erm, no it would not ,
All that would happen is that the Scum drug traffickers could not pay of corrupt cops so more would be prosecuted and more executions would take place.
Further more he tells us Indonesia is killing low level drug traffickers. ???
This is blatantly untrue, the people being executed have been busted smuggling large quantities of class one drugs into or out of Indonesia.
In the case of the Bali 9 it was 8 fuking Kilo of Smack. ???
8 kilo of smack will cost these two their life.
Masterminds aren't stupid enough to carry,...so we have mules, not masterminds getting busted.
Nothing compared to the 400kg of heroin (Ozzy's largest heroin bust) that three Indonesians tried to smuggle into Oz, the "boss" got a life sentence and the others 25 years each, doing time in a cushy Oz clink.
Now having less corruption in the force is to most people's thinking a good move, conducive to NOT turning a blind eye to smuggling and bribery..
But you reckon getting rid of corruption ain't gonna work, eh? Just let it carry on and the drug dealing will stop by itself? :rofl:
THe "Scum drug traffickers" as you call the mules won't be paying no corrupt forces if corruption didn't exist, now would they?
THere's nothing irrelevant about fingering out the corruption involved at customs onwards in Indonesia, you've pointed out previously that stuff's going through all the time because of bribery(corruption, no?) being paid, and no bribes means a bust,...as in Corby's case, as you've previously claimed.
Got to ask, what's Bishop on about, prisoner exchange.
Hi I'm ruler of bongo bongo land, have 2 Australians on death row for walking barefoot on a beach. give me my people back, from your jail and you can have these back.
Another point on this local corruption stuff, there are big players out there, on the goodies side and nothing to do with drug dealing specifically.
Drugs fund terror, smuggling may be local based, but if the money is for ISIS etc your under the microscope.
Not all is what it appears at times, think more details will come out about these 2 later. The press has portrayed these guys as nice fellows that made a mistake, 6 kilos and other costs for the rest of the deal doesn't come cheap.
So not a couple of guys who pooled their savings for a drug run.
Agreed. So who funded them?
Suspected Bali Nine mastermind living in luxury as Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran sit on death row
A man police suspect was a mastermind of the Bali nine drug importation is living a life of luxury in Sydney while two junior members of his syndicate, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, await the firing squad in Bali.
The man's lavish lifestyle is funded by a multimillion-dollar lottery pay out, which he won about the time the two young Australians, who acted as the local leaders of the syndicate in Bali, were being sentenced to death.
Former senior police sources said the man has previously been the subject of police drug trafficking investigations. He is believed to have halted his criminal activities after he quite literally won the lottery.
He is described in police intelligence reports as being suspected of high-level involvement in the syndicate that supplied the drugs carried by the Bali Nine mules. The syndicate is likely to have previously imported drugs into Australia.
The man now lives in Sydney and has escaped prosecution for any of his suspected criminal activities. He is believed to have won well over $5 million in the lottery several years ago, after the Bali nine members were arrested.
The extraordinary luck of the man underlines the rarely spoken reality of drug busts: those arrested are usually mid- to low-level players. More senior syndicate members ensure they are not hands-on and continue to traffic drugs once a courier or shore-party is arrested.
Chan and Sukumaran, who were dubbed by Indonesian authorities as the ring-leaders of the importation and who are facing imminent execution for their crime, have never revealed who they were working for, citing fear for the safety of their families back in Australia. It is possible that the pair do not know who were the ultimate organisers of the importation.
The pair had a low- to mid-level involvement in the trafficking for which they were convicted in 2006. Their roles included directing the Australian couriers in Bali.
Fairfax Media reported earlier this week that the portrayal of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran as the key figures in a heroin smuggling syndicate in April 2005 may have damaged their chances of a presidential reprieve.
Police have never arrested the suppliers, main organisers and financiers of the operation.
In 2005, police said they were pursuing "some very relevant avenues of inquiry" in relation to a syndicate that supplied the Bali nine and which was suspected of smuggling large amounts of heroin to Western countries.
Chan was 22 and had been living with his parents shortly before he was arrested in Bali. A Thai prostitute called Cherry Likit Bannakorn has been identified as the courier who delivered two suitcases of heroin to Chan in Bali. She remains the subject of an Interpol red notice but is also likely to be a relatively minor syndicate player.
On April 27, 2005, Indonesian police announced they had shot dead Man Singh Ghale, a Nepalese-born man with a long history of drug trafficking in Indonesia who they linked to the Bali nine operation.
Indonesian undercover drugs agents in Jakarta initially claimed they shot him as he tried to escape, but it emerged later his hands were cuffed behind his back at the time.
Months later, the AFP said that Man Singh Ghale was not the Mr Big in the Bali nine operation.
Suspected Bali Nine mastermind living in luxury as Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran sit on death row
It now appears that the executions are on hold for an indefinite period while the courts consider the final appeal of 'another foreigner who was to have been executed' - I believe this is the Filipina, who was busted for smuggling a large quantity of heroin.
I don't give a rat's ass about these 'Aussies', but it is stretching into cruel and unusual to have them at the door of the firing range, and then keep pulling them back.
The case of the Filipina is totally unrelated to the case against them - let's just get on with it. She can catch up later if her appeal is denied.
This argument that low level foot soldiers, getting paid relatively little should just get a slap on the wrist because they are not the mastermind is totally silly .
It's like saying a hitman who killed someone for a $100 is not as guilty as the person who planned and financed it .
They are more guilty - they put the idea into practice.
I wouldn't call a 20 yr to life sentence a slap on the wrist.
A bit simplistic, but I basically agree. The ones doing the smuggling are guilty - desperation, gullibility, venality and stupidity are not valid excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
However those who manipulate these pathetic wretches are putting the deals in place, making the big bucks, and should get hit with much harder penalties - but they are rarely caught, being bright enough to keep their hands clean.
I don't believe the Bali Two on death's doorstep were 'big players' - mid-level recruiters perhaps. Still, there is a difference between them and the Bali Seven they recruited - just as there is a difference between them and the hapless old lady and the naive Filipina.
I can't believe that people are still debating this issue.
They were caught with smugling drugs, and they HAVE TO DIE.
No Hollywood, Steven Spillturd ring-ins............They are fucked and when they picked up the ticket to move the drugs they gambled their lives.
If they cleared customs.............. huge party, heaps of charlie and Scag and pussy and fun times and mula in their pockets.
They chanced it through greed and got busted and they should lose their lives because they made the choice.
I support the Indonesian Goverment to implement the warning they have on their entry visa.
. . . a massive slap in the face . . . and another example of Indo-fucking-nesia's endless bout of hypocrisy:
Miserably, arrogant fuck-up of a countryQuote:
Bali terrorist Muhammad Cholili freed on parole as 18-year jail sentence halved
ONE of the terrorists behind the 2005 Bali bombings has been released on parole after serving just half his original prison sentence.
Muhammad Cholili, 36, helped assemble more than 20 backpack and motorcycle bombs — some of which were used in the October, 2005 attacks in Bali that killed 20 people, including four Australians.
More than 120 others were injured in the evening blasts that struck the popular tourist areas of Kuta and Jimbaran Beach.
But the smiling terrorist, who happily declared to media after his conviction that “God’s destiny really is beautiful”, was released on Wednesday, supposedly to reward “good behaviour”.
Parole was approved after a reduction of his sentence to coincide with Idul Fitri, an Indonesian national holiday when jail terms are frequently reviewed.
“He has never broken any prison regulations,” Indonesian justice ministry prisons spokeswoman Ika Yusanti said. “If he commits any crime or creates any problems in the community, he will be sent back to prison.”
Cholili’s premature release apparently came as a surprise to the man himself, with Indonesia’s Jakarta Globe reporting that he knew nothing of it until Wednesday.
“I’ve just got the information from the prison warden today. No members of my family know,” he said.
Cholili said his priority was “to go home and meet my family”.
It is a privilege denied the 20 people killed in the bombings nine years ago, whose families and friends continue to mourn their deaths.
Indonesian authorities said they would continue to monitor Cholili, who would be prohibited from travelling overseas without ministerial approval.
The Daily Telegraph reported in May that more than 30 Indonesian terrorists who took part in the 2002 and 2005 Bali bombings had walked free.
Kunts is what they areQuote:
Originally Posted by OckerRocker
I have to disagree with the Thai blowjobber and death sentence lover here.
Treat them with respect in their dying hours.
They fucked up = they're going to die riddled with bullets.
Peace be with them.
And Oz could do with a lot more heroin - might chill the kunts out.
The 10 who have been sentenced to death have all had an indefinite extension.
This is to allow all appeals to be heard before any executions.
The Indos have taken on board world opinion and want to follow the due process of law as they are being viewed on a world stage.
Fuck the pricks - they've never cared about that before with their mass slaughters, anti-Chinese pogroms, genocide in Irian Jaya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman123
If ever there was a country that would do well being swallowed up by the sea . . . (allowing KW and family to leave, of course)
It was on the cards and these stupid greedy fuckers played their cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas
The difference is if someone could speak with them they would admit they broke the law and now must serve their sentence.
Fuck these scum. We don't need them in our world'
Top em and MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE