bollocks.Quote:
Most Indians are glad that we did
SeperAtism created friction.
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bollocks.Quote:
Most Indians are glad that we did
SeperAtism created friction.
does banki moon, pakistan think the world has an endless pit of money.
Every time we help a lot of these nations expectation creeps in and we deliver, how much has pakistan given to their own people to help in comparison to thier defence budget.
End of argument.
I can't see why the hated infidels can be expected to strengthen their enemies by supplying succour to those that their own God has punished for their wicked misinterpretation of his teachings?Quote:
Originally Posted by meepho
( Even Mr. Fred was threatened with death if he left the Islamic faith? )
:mid:
We call it charity, or compassion, helping fellow humans in their time of need, and a host of other cuddly terms that make us feel all warm and fuzzy. They see it as an obligation, or jizya.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiguyI can't see why the hated infidels can be expected to strengthen their enemies by supplying succour to those that their own God has punished for their wicked misinterpretation of his teachings?Quote:
Originally Posted by meepho
( Even Mr. Fred was threatened with death if he left the Islamic faith? )
:mid:
As for Mr Fred, I'm not familiar with his story but three things for sure:
1 - If he embraced the evil ideology without knowing what it's about, he's a fool and probably as safe there as anywhere else.
2 - If he walked in with his eyes open after due diligence, he would know beforehand that it's a life sentence with no grounds for parole, and would never need to be threatened because he would never want to leave.
3 - He did do his research and thought he could handle it, but couldn't.
Certain Paki cricketers should be able to donate some of their winnings
Hungry flood-hit Pakistanis protest lack of help
1/09/2010
Hundreds of hungry families blocked a highway in Pakistan's flood-hit south on Wednesday, demanding the government provide more food as the UN warned of a "triple threat" to desperate survivors.
https://teakdoor.com/media/content/20100901/177044.jpgPakistani internally displaced people queue for meals at a temporary camp organized by Pakistan's Air Force in Sukkur on September 1, 2010. The World Food Programme has warned that flood-ravaged Pakistan faced a "triple threat" after the worst disaster in the country's history left eight million people dependent on aid to survive.
Up to 500 people from a government-run relief camp in Thatta city, in the worst-hit province of Sindh, blocked the main road between Karachi city and Thatta for three hours calling for the state to provide food and shelter.
"No food or water has been provided to us for the past two days," Mohammad Qasim, a 60-year-old resident of the flooded town of Sujawal, told AFP.
The World Food Programme issued a stark warning of the threat to food supplies after a month of catastrophic flooding that has affected 18 million people, as the deluge flows south on its way to the Arabian Sea.
Pakistan's government -- widely painted as corrupt and bogged down in red tape and infighting -- has been derided in domestic media over its response to the floods and has been the focus of angry isolated protests by the affected.
While the international community has now donated 700 million dollars, domestic anger has been mounting at the civilian government, which has staggered from crisis to crisis in the 30 months since its election.
"There is a triple threat unfolding as this crisis widens and deepens," World Food Programme chief Josette Sheeran said at a press conference in Islamabad on Tuesday, after visiting flooded areas.
The triple threat was people's loss of seeds, crops and incomes, "leaving them vulnerable to hunger, homelessness and desperation -- the situation is extremely critical", she said.
Devastation to farmland and transport links mean that food prices have rocketed, fanning frustration among the masses already struggling to make ends meet in Pakistan's shaky economy.
In televised comments Wednesday, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani told his cabinet that the flooding had "devastated the infrastructure on a large scale and the government is trying to cope with the crisis".
The floods have engulfed a fifth of the volatile country of 167 million, with 3.4 million hectares (8.4 million acres) of rich farmland ruined, according to latest UN figures.
"We need to bring in a lot more (food). We're still looking at a caseload in urgent need of about six million but with the floodwaters still moving it's quite possible that number will increase," WFP spokesman Marcus Prior told AFP.
Meanwhile, floodwaters flowing south in Sindh province entered one town and threatened another on the east bank of the swollen Indus.
"Water has entered the outskirts of Jati town and is two kilometres (1.25 miles) away form Choohar Jamali town," senior city official Hadi Bakhsh Kalhoro told AFP, adding that a few thousand people remained trapped in both towns.
Kalhoro said power cuts were hindering rescue efforts but said that all other districts in the southern province were now safe.
Pakistani troops and city workers managed to save Thatta from the waters by fixing a breach in river defences on Tuesday, with most of the population of 300,000 now returned home, according to officials.
Sindh is the worst-affected province, with 19 of its 23 districts ravaged as floodwaters have swollen the raging Indus river to 40 times its usual volume.
One million people have been displaced over the past few days alone.
River management official Qadir Bakhsh Palijo said that waters in the area were receding, but could take up to 10 days to lower to a "satisfactory level".
Pakistan's government has confirmed 1,645 people dead and 2,479 injured but officials warn that millions are at risk from food shortages and disease.
The UN children's fund UNICEF said the disaster had affected nearly 8.6 million children, with the risk of more deaths from waterborne disease if clean water, good nutrition, sanitation and vaccination are not forthcoming.
bangkokpost.com
A charity single has just been released.
Rain drops keep falling on Ahmed.
fertile breeding ground for extremists :(
Can't be bothered with the links because not crucial, but will if anyone urgently needs them.
Some good Muslims are blaming the CIA for using hi-tech skills to cause the floods, while others with a direct line to the moon god are exploiting it as the wrath of Allah, presumably because the people are not Islamic enough.
Inexplicably nobody's pointed at the Jews, yet; could be the leg pullers figure that those with traces of a mind are still preoccupied with how Israel managed to bring on the tsunami, Katrina, and the Haiti earthquake.
Still, as some have suggested, Islam is yet a young ideology that's experiencing some teething problems. Let's wait another 1400 years and see, shall we?
Just 620, Keda.
Lets see, where were the Christians 620 years ago...? Somewhere at the end of the dark ages?
I think a lot of Pakistani men need to be no-balled for more than cricket matches.
Not worth arguing. Ok, only another 620 years, let me know how it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
I just catch something on the news before but I was more interested in my wife and her food she cook tonight, some guy paki bye the way asking on TV why as the world turned it's back on Pakistan
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Originally Posted by Poo and Pee
Duh. The friction was there already. Ask an Indian or two. I did.
They're all pissing themselves over the cricket.
even the Indians hate the paki's I wonder how much India donates?
I think it was $5m, which the Pakis declined and later grudgingly accepted after pressure from the evil US. No doubt Delhi thanked them profusely.
They hate the Pakis most of all, why? Because they're most like them.
I just received an email today showing disatrous floods in Iowa after Katrina - the damage was enormous and there seems to have been a lot of media suppression for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
If we are going to send relief to anyone I would much rather help these people than the enemy.
Islam is at war with us just as Japan and Germany were at war with us in WW2 - would we have sent food parcels to the Ruhre Valley after the Dambusters raid ?
Did you do history at school?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
I think you'll find the Bangladeshis are more like the Pakistanis (hint: Bangledesh's former name was East Pakistan).
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Originally Posted by Mid
...and a GREAT testing ground for nukes.:)
You mean because they're Muslims?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaDid you do history at school?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
I think you'll find the Bangladeshis are more like the Pakistanis (hint: Bangledesh's former name was East Pakistan).
I still consider those B'deshis Pakistanis.
And besides, there are more Muslims in India than in B'desh.
They're (the Indians) much closer to Pakis ethnically (I hesitate to use the word racially.... ooops!) , culturally, linguistically and share a much longer common history. Bengal (and Bangladesh is part of that) has historically been quite separate from the northern Indians, while the Punjab, Sindh and Kashmir has always been part of northern India.
That's what's in the history books.
The Pakis are very much like the Indians.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaDid you do history at school?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
I think you'll find the Bangladeshis are more like the Pakistanis (hint: Bangledesh's former name was East Pakistan).
When British India was given independence and divided into Muslim majority Pakistan and Hindu majority India, the two nations shared a common ethnicity, culture, food, language, and more.
Islam stood behind the indigenous Indian Muslims' inability to coexist with others. Just like today.
What you call Bangla Desh was India before it became East Pakistan; just like Pakistan.
I sent over two of my old lead dive belts, not much I admit..."but every little helps"!
In 1947, British India was given independence and divided into Muslim majority Pakistan, and Hindu majority India. These two nations share a common ethnicity, culture, food, language, and more.
60 years after partition, India and Pakistan have evolved with startling differences. India has brought progress to its people, and emerges as a centre of modern technologies. Pakistan, meanwhile, has become a backward nation, a failed state, on its knees and subsisting on handouts from the international community. It has also become a source and a supporter of terror, and a haven for terrorists.
One is bound to ask if any of Islam's features are responsible for the devolution that has overwhelmed Pakistan.
Islam consists of ideas and practices, just like all religions. One feature of Christianity is that it establishes centres for education, hospitals, and other institutions devoted to science and exploration, in rich and poor countries. This attribute is connected with its founder, who was caring towards the downtrodden people in his time.
The modern Judeo-Christian world pursues science and knowledge, with an appetite to learn more about ourselves and our world, and uses that knowledge and understanding for further improvement and progress. A downside for the god people is that this leads to less religion for many people in the West, as they rely on science to help understand the world. This has also led to developing multi-religious and multi-ethnic communities that work and thrive together.
This is true of every religion and faith, with the singular exception of Islam. Islam is a standout. Muslim communities across the world, in both Islamic nations and western nations, are disjointed and have conclusively proven time and again, to be the single significant exception to this scenario.
For most Muslims, their Islamic scripture forms the only source of knowledge necessary, over and beyond modern knowledge in textbooks of science and other disciplines.
Also, unlike people of other faiths, many Muslims readily take to violence in the name of their religion, especially upon non-Muslims. We are often reminded by Muslims and liberal apologists that Muslims murder more Muslims than non-Muslims. This allows them to somehow justify Muslims killing non-Muslims. Only, this is quite simply due to those regions where this phenomenon takes place, having more Muslims than non-Muslims. It is one of many hollow arguments that desperate liberals cling to.
What other significant differences are there between India and Pakistan?
In the 1950s and 60s, when reborn India started building educational institutions and hospitals, Pakistan did the same. Only, Pakistan devoted most of its resources into sponsoring Islam, and supporting terror groups to wage jihad, especially upon India. It also consolidated the Islamic law of Sharia to govern its people.
The modern education that India focussed on is the basis of its emergence. Pakistan, which has focused on Islam and its doctrines, has doomed itself to failure. In East Punjab University, for example, some 70% of doctorates are to do with Islamic studies.
Let's look at Jihad and Sharia, specifically in Pakistan.
Jihad is a religious war upon non-Muslims to capture land and people for Islam, especially in the eyes of terrorists and their supporters. Jihad does not have to be violent warfare; it may be nonviolent, but it is nonetheless a war and a duty to war against the non-believer. Sharia is a collection of regressive traditions of 7th century Arab tribes; it is unjust, violent, and incompatible with the civilised world.
Jihad and Sharia have caused Pakistan to squander many opportunities for progress during the past 60 years. It has become a failed state hosting terror groups, and a supporter of many others.
Pakistan's founder, Jinha, declared immediately after the country was formed in 1948, "Islamic principles today are as applicable to life as they were thirteen hundred years ago." Jinha made no secret that he was setting up Pakistan to become an Islamic state, governed by Sharia. The Pakistani assembly passed a resolution in 1949 to put Muslims in higher standing than non-Muslims, in line with Sharia. This was a clear and precise declaration of dhimmitude, or second-class status with severe social, religious, financial, education, employment and other restrictions for non-Muslims living in Pakistan.
Within 3 years of its formation, which is two years after Jinha's declaration, most of the 20-25% of Hindu and Sikh minorities in Pakistan fled the country for neighbouring India, through the leadership of clerics all over Pakistan.
Islam, Islamic doctrine, and Islamic institutions, have stunted the development of Pakistan, and made it what it is today.
Adapted from Moorthy Muthuswamy (Personal Page) author of, "Defeating Political Islam; the New Cold War."
The two most formidable arguments I have come across in defending Pakistan, considering its common elements with India before partition and their stunning divergence in 60 years, is that:
1 - India has a long way to go before solving its problems
2 - this is the way the people want to be governed, and it is their right.
These arguments are shallow and transparent. The first is the classic apologist view that makes no allowance for depth or intensity or consequences, where an exception to a rule may be unashamedly held up as though it is the rule. In other words, India is not perfect, so don't point at Pakistan or at Islam until India and the rest of the world attains perfection. Not much to add on that score, except that to the true liberal everythng is just fine as long you agree.
As for the Pakistanis wanting to be governed by Sharia, that's not easy to believe without having the argument forced that Islam has removed their capacity for rational thought, and has by design kept them ignorant. In other words, they are bred to be and produce more slaves for Islam.
Okay, when push comes to shove that's fine by me - in the context of the cop out known as yuman rites. But the paradox here is that such an attitude is itself a crime against the same yuman rites, by any civilised standards. Only, liberals and apologists don't see it that way, or know better than to address Islam in a less than complimentary fashion, so to them a right outranks both common sense and quality of life.
And anyway, assuming of course that the Pakis do want to live under Sharia, which I don't for a moment believe, it would be a case of enforced ignorance and indoctrination and hardship from birth, which makes the most extreme conditions perfectly normal to its unwitting victims. They don't know better, so they think they have it good...which turns us full circle back at Islam.
But Sharia also encourages Jihad as a duty, so a personal message: If they want to live like animals then go ahead, but don't come crawling to me for money and help when you or your government can't cope. Go beg to your Muslim brethren, like they care a toss for you beyond your ignorance and backwardness that provides a pool for 21st century slavery and affords safe haven for terrorists and their groups and supporters. Once your professed love for Allah impinges upon my world as a threat, then you're out of order and it's time to take you out or let you rot.
great slogan you should mail this to paki government.Quote:
Originally Posted by zygote1
A resort town called " the very dark ages" lol
Untill the so called " war on terror" pakistani army had never set foot on the northern part of their country, can you believe that? Some parts where taliban is active these days have been avoided by all the great kings and generals in the history. Even in the classical time people knew these people were crazy and tried to avoid confrontation with them.