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    Quote Originally Posted by phomsanuk View Post
    Maybe the surviving Juden caught the contagious Nazi disease they have the symtoms
    Hate to agree with your statement but I do.
    Israeli brutality and absence of both compassion and common sense is now a national hallmark.
    Pity the ghosts of those who died, OF ALL FAITHS, BELIEFS AND NATIONS, to protect the Jewish people in the 40's only to have created modern zionism.

    No chocolate for Gaza..............
    Fuck me, what is wrong with these people ?????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Fucking Jews, they're just protecting themselves but still....

    Take a group of battle-hardened abused minority and give them a new homeland right in the middle of several million people that despise their religion, and their ways.

    This is what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    the USA is totally controlled by these people,
    seems a bit harsh.
    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    While I more or less agree
    is that more or less ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    I can't for the life of me understand how you can say Israel is fascist when it kills and oppresses Palestinians but Thailand is justified when it kills fellow Thais and then oppresses the majority of what you call the brown little monkeys.
    maybe because Thailand is not Israel ?

    last time I check the NE was not under economic siege with an invading army shooting randomly at women and kids

    comparing Israel to Thailand is preposterous, you are a fool.

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    Less then.

    You're right - it would be better to compare present day Thailand to Apartheid South Africa of the 1980's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    israel is a rogue state that thumbs its nose at international law and needs to be put down.

    the sooner the better.

    So when is your bitch ass gonna man up and do something about it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by corned dog
    Is the bible not that popular in israel
    The old bits are, the new bits after that jeebus guy came around? Not so much.
    The Talmud is an interesting read.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by planestanley View Post
    Who is the biggest banker of Un ?
    USA ,whhere is it located ?
    Who funds Israel?
    Nothing wil happen
    They my be the biggest financial member but i dont think they pay their dues very often

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    As an unbiased observer, it seems to me that the twats who organised the flotilla and ignored offers to deliver the goods by other means, were just trying to provoke Israel.

    They decided to become martyrs and to set of the usual chorus of hypocritical statements of outrage from governments and organisations around the world.

    The blame for any deaths or injuries is surely not Israel's.

    The rights or wrongs of the whole situation, I confess I do not understand; but I do see Israel attacked time and time again by rockets and bombs, with no condemnation from the rest of the world.

    It is time people learned that if you fuck with Israel you will be sorry - go pick on a wimp country who will bluster and pose but do nothing to stop you.

    I feel Reds incoming....
    And Relax.........

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    I still think that the 'invaders' are stoopid to try.Right or wrong,the did not succeed,and must have known what would happen.

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    Fotilla of Fools. Lucky they were not sunk after opening fire on the IDF.

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    I'm utterly appalled by this. I'm fucking livid as well.

    When is the international community going to stop protecting these fuckers?

    Year after year Israel is allowed to get away with murder and abuse, with nothing happening.

    I was going to say this was a new low, attacking an aid ship, but there's just so many horrendous lows now. A worst would be nigh on impossible to call.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Was that twit friend of Saddam on one,the British M.P. G something or other??

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    As an unbiased observer, it seems to me that the twats who organised the flotilla and ignored offers to deliver the goods by other means, were just trying to provoke Israel.

    They decided to become martyrs and to set of the usual chorus of hypocritical statements of outrage from governments and organisations around the world.
    You hit the nail on the head.....

    Fools like Ray Carey are blinded by their own ignorance when it comes to perceiving what actually was happening.






    It is time people learned that if you fuck with Israel you will be sorry - go pick on a wimp country who will bluster and pose but do nothing to stop you.


    Yup

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    Quote Originally Posted by crippen View Post
    Was that twit friend of Saddam on one,the British M.P. G something or other??
    George Galloway ?

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    Interesting views.
    This flotilla was offered ports to distribute the "aid" in Egypt and Israel. It refused these offers. Why? What kind of "aid" is on those ships?
    Sorry, I'm backing Israel on this one. One of the few countries (outside of extremists like N Korea and Iran) that is not blinkered by PC bull and knows how to deal with threats to the homeland.
    If the "aid" is truly humanitarian goods, what's wrong with dropping it at the Egyptian port?
    Israel didn't blow the whole flotilla outta the water -- that's humanitarian in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghandi View Post
    As an unbiased observer, it seems to me that the twats who organised the flotilla and ignored offers to deliver the goods by other means, were just trying to provoke Israel.

    They decided to become martyrs and to set of the usual chorus of hypocritical statements of outrage from governments and organisations around the world.
    You hit the nail on the head.....

    Fools like Ray Carey are blinded by their own ignorance when it comes to perceiving what actually was happening.






    It is time people learned that if you fuck with Israel you will be sorry - go pick on a wimp country who will bluster and pose but do nothing to stop you.
    Yup
    My god, you are an unprecedented level of stupid

    Deaths as Israeli... (Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship) 01-06-2010 12:26 AM Ghandi shut your fucking bitch ass up , ignorant fool
    You can not defend this action. Well, it's nigh on impossible to defend anything Israel does of late.

    They ignore international condemnation.

    I felt sympathy for them when they were the victims.

    Now they are constantly the aggressor.

    This was an aid ship. No excuses will suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Interesting views.
    This flotilla was offered ports to distribute the "aid" in Egypt and Israel. It refused these offers. Why? What kind of "aid" is on those ships?
    Sorry, I'm backing Israel on this one. One of the few countries (outside of extremists like N Korea and Iran) that is not blinkered by PC bull and knows how to deal with threats to the homeland.
    If the "aid" is truly humanitarian goods, what's wrong with dropping it at the Egyptian port?
    Israel didn't blow the whole flotilla outta the water -- that's humanitarian in my view.
    Fair points Jet, lets see what was on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower View Post
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    Was that twit friend of Saddam on one,the British M.P. G something or other??
    George Galloway ?
    Yes him. Seems to have disappeared from view in the U.K. since he got kicked out at the last election.

    George Galloway (born 16 August 1954) is a British politician, author and broadcaster who was a Member of Parliament from 1987 to 2010. He is known for his anti-war views.[1] He was formerly a Labour MP, first for Glasgow Hillhead, and later for Glasgow Kelvin, before his expulsion from the party in October 2003,[2] and subsequently becoming a founding member of the Respect Party. Galloway represented Bethnal Green and Bow in the 2005 parliament.[3] In the 2010 election, Galloway unsuccessfully contested the parliamentary seat of Poplar and Limehouse[4].
    Galloway is also known for his vigorous campaigns in favour of the Palestinians in the Arab-Israeli conflict. He attempted to both overturn economic sanctions against Iraq in the 1990s and early 2000s, and to avert the 2003 invasion. He is also known for a speech he gave before the President of Iraq Saddam Hussein, in which he appeared to praise the dictator,[5] although Galloway has maintained that he actively opposed the regime until the United States-led Gulf War in 1991 and has always stated that he was addressing the Iraqi people.[6] Galloway is known in the USA for his testimony in the Senate in 2005, where he turned a defence of allegations against him into an attack against American foreign policy.[7]
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    Some posts as to why this aid might have been needed...

    BBC News - Details of Gaza blockade revealed in court case
    Details of Gaza blockade revealed in court case


    By Tim Franks
    BBC News, Jerusalem


    Shoes and clothes have recently been allowed into Gaza

    BBC News has seen documents, submitted to an Israeli Court, which give more detail than ever before about how and why Israel maintains its Gaza blockade.

    In one document, Israel describes the import curbs as "a central pillar in the armed conflict with Hamas".
    It also confirms estimates were made of how many calories Gazans need, but says these were not used for policy-making.
    Israel says the blockade is to pressure Hamas, which does not recognise Israel and backs attacks on its citizens.



    Three years ago, after the Islamist Hamas movement seized power, Israel and Egypt tightened their closure of Gaza's borders, leaving the territory's 1.5 million inhabitants facing acute shortages.
    But Israel has never published a list of banned items, saying it approves requests on a case-by-case basis.
    Items allowed have changed over time, which has left humanitarian organisations and commercial importers constantly attempting to guess what will be approved.



    The court case has been brought by the Israeli human rights group, Gisha.
    The group has been trying, for more than a year, using freedom of information legislation, to squeeze information from the state about what exactly is allowed for import to Gaza, and why.



    GOODS ALLOWED INTO GAZA
    Canned meat and tuna, but not canned fruit
    Mineral water, but not fruit juice
    Sesame paste (tahini) but not jam
    Tea and coffee but not chocolate

    Download the full list [89.9 KB]



    In January, Gisha, took the Israeli authorities to court, to try to force them to provide the information.



    Gisha's director, Sari Bashi, says she is no security expert, "but preventing children from receiving toys, preventing manufacturers from getting raw materials - I don't see how that's responsive to Israeli security needs."
    And she says that some of the prohibitions appear to be absurdly arbitrary: "I certainly don't understand why cinnamon is permitted, but coriander is forbidden. Is there something more dangerous about coriander? Is coriander more critical to Gaza's economy than cinnamon? This is a policy that appears to make no sense."
    She argues that if there is a logic behind such decisions, the military should reveal what it is.



    'Conflict against Hamas'

    Now, after several months' waiting, the state has given its response to the court, in a written submission, seen by the BBC.
    It throws a small pool of light on the process behind the blockade.
    The overall rationale is set out, in bold type: "The limitation on the transfer of goods is a central pillar in the means at the disposal of the State of Israel in the armed conflict between it and Hamas."



    The Israeli authorities also confirm the existence of four documents related to how the blockade works: how they process requests for imports into Gaza, how they monitor the shortages within Gaza, their approved list of what is allowed in, and a document entitled "Food Consumption in the Gaza Strip - Red Lines" which sets out the minimum calorie intake needed by Gaza's million and a half inhabitants, according to their age and sex.
    This paper was however, the state insists, just a draft power-point presentation, used for "internal planning work", which "never served as a basis for the policy of the authority".
    But while the first three documents promise a great deal of detail, that detail is not delivered.



    In each case, the state argues that disclosure of what is allowed in and why would, in their words, "damage national security and harm foreign relations".
    It offers, instead, to reveal the contents of the documents to the court in a private session with the judge.



    'Collective punishment'

    The lack of clarity causes immense frustration not just among Gazans, but among aid groups, diplomats, and the United Nations - which has described Israel's blockade as "collective punishment"
    The problem, they say, is not just the shortages themselves, but the unpredictability and changing nature of what is permitted for import.
    Israeli officials have said, in the past, that they are concerned that building materials in particular could be misappropriated by Hamas for military ends.



    But some Israeli commentators - even those who advocate a tough stance against Hamas - say that the strategy behind the much wider blockade is ill-defined, and harmful to Israel's international standing.
    The BBC has received information from reliable sources that there are currently 81 items that are approved for import - from kidney beans to tinned meat - and as of March, shoes.



    Among the large range of goods currently forbidden are jam, chocolate, wood for furniture, fruit juice, textiles, and plastic toys.
    The 13-page submission by the Israeli authorities to the Tel Aviv District Court raises more questions than it answers.
    It does set the context for the blockade: in what Israel considers to be its existential conflict with Hamas.
    But it will not satisfy those calling for Israel to be more open about one of its most contentious policies.

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    Fucking Turks sided with their towelhead buddies.

    Time for them to exit NATO & The EU.

    Allah O Akbar. Death to infidels.

    Since when is cement "humanitarian aid"?
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    Yes should be an interesting comment when ever she gets around to making it.
    Muther fukers bring shame on the west . Middle east is just a sick mad-house.

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    Yes the intention was to provoke Israel, yes the intention was to highlight the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Gaza, yes the Israeli response was predictable.

    Mission accomplished.

    If this put's pressure on Israel to release it's stranglehold on Gaza, then the 19 victims will not have died in vain.

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    BBC News - Guide: Gaza under blockade


    Guide: Gaza under blockade


    By Heather Sharp
    BBC News, Jerusalem


    The Gaza Strip has been under a heightened Israeli blockade since the militant group Hamas seized control in June 2007. Israel wants to weaken Hamas, end its rockets attacks against Israeli towns and get back captured soldier Gilad Shalit.
    Amnesty International has dubbed the blockade "collective punishment" resulting in a "humanitarian crisis"; UN officials have described the situation as "grim", "deteriorating" and a "medieval siege", but Israel says there are no shortages in Gaza, pointing to the aid it allows in.
    What gets in and out of Gaza, and what impact has it had?


    OVERVIEW: WHAT GETS IN


    For much of the three years since Hamas took control of Gaza, its 1.5m people have relied on less than a quarter of the volume of imported supplies they received in December 2005.
    In the wake of the Hamas takeover, Israel said it would allow only basic humanitarian supplies into the Strip. It has a list of dual-use items such as steel pipes and fertiliser which it says could be used to manufacture weapons.
    These are not allowed in, with the exception of "special humanitarian cases". Other than that, no specific list of what is and is not allowed in has been published, and items gaining entry vary over time.
    The UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees Unrwa's list of household items that have been refused entry at various times includes light bulbs, candles, matches, books, musical instruments, crayons, clothing, shoes, mattresses, sheets, blankets, pasta, tea, coffee, chocolate, nuts, shampoo and conditioner.





    Many other items - ranging from cars to fridges to computers - are generally refused entry.


    Building materials such as cement, concrete and wood were nearly always refused entry until early 2010, when some glass, wood, cement and aluminium were allowed in.
    During the six month truce between Israel and Hamas, which began in June 2008, and in early 2010, the volume and range of goods increased with trucks of shoes and clothes entering Gaza.
    Israel says Hamas has diverted aid in the past, and could appropriate building materials for its own use. Aid agencies say they have stringent monitoring systems in place.



    FOOD


    Aid agencies operating in Gaza say they have largely been able to continue to transport basic supplies such as flour and cooking oil into the territory.
    But the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation says 61% of Gazans are "food insecure".
    According to the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, Unrwa, 80% of Gazan households rely on some kind of food aid.
    Unrwa provides food aid for 750,000 people, half the population.
    Its food distribution has been suspended several times since June 2007 as a result of border closures or fuel shortages.
    Israel usually says crossings are closed for security reasons, pointing to occasions when Palestinian militants have attacked the crossings or fired barrages of rockets into Israel.



    Unrwa rations provide about two-thirds of dietary needs, and so need to be supplemented by dairy products, meat, fish and fresh fruit and vegetables. Some of these items are grown locally, some allowed in from Israel, and some smuggled in through tunnels under the Egypt-Gaza border.
    But with the Palestinian Bureau of Statistics estimating unemployment at 38.6% in early 2010, some Gazans cannot afford the basics, even if they are physically available.
    Unrwa says the number of Gazan that it helps who are unable to buy basic items such as soap, stationary and safe drinking water has tripled since 2007.



    A UN survey in 2008 found more than half Gaza's households had sold their disposable assets and were relying on credit to buy food, three-quarters of Gazans were buying less food than in the past, and almost all were eating less fresh fruit, vegetables and animal protein to save money.
    The Israeli military operation in December and January 2009 disrupted food aid transfer and distribution significantly, as well as causing what the UN FAO estimates at $180m of damage to the agricultural sector.
    According to the World Health Organization, one third of children under five and women of childbearing age are anaemic.


    FUEL AND POWER


    In September 2007, the Israeli government declared the Strip a "hostile entity" in response to continued rocket attacks on southern Israel, and said it would start cutting fuel imports.
    At times, petrol and diesel shortages have caused major problems. Donkey carts are a common sight in Gaza. Vehicle fuel enters from Egypt through the tunnels.
    According to information complied by Oxfam, no petrol or diesel for vehicles has been allowed in from Israel since November 2008, except for fuel for UN cars and five other shipments in three years.
    The amount of cooking gas allowed in has generally fluctuated between about a third and a half of requirements, Oxfam figures show.



    ELECTRICITY


    Gaza's electricity supply is made up of 144MW from Israel, 17MW from Egypt and the rest from an EU-run power plant in Gaza which can generate up to 80MW.
    The power plant's fuel is usually brought in through the main fuel entry point, the Nahal Oz crossing. The plant has shut down completely several times after running out of fuel because the crossing was closed. It was out of fuel for most of the Israeli operation in January 2009, leaving two-thirds of Gazans without power at the height of the crisis.
    Since early 2008, the power plant has received enough fuel to operate at only about two-thirds of its capacity - in line with an Israeli Supreme Court ruling which set a minimum amount of fuel that Israel must allow into Gaza.



    Figures monitored by international agencies show fuel deliveries dropped even below these minimums at several points in the first half of 2008.
    In late 2009, the responsibility for funding the fuel was transferred from the EU to the Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority - since then the amount of fuel supplied has declined. In April and May 2010, fuel supply fluctuated, with the plant able to operate at between 20 and 50% of its capacity.
    Power cuts remain frequent. Research by Oxfam in April 2010 showed houses across Gaza without power for 35-60 hours a week.



    SEWAGE AND WATER


    The blockade has taken its toll on Gaza's water and sewage network. Lack of spare parts has made repairs difficult. Intermittent power supplies have made pumps reliant on generators, which in turn have lacked spare parts and fuel.
    The WHO says Operation Cast Lead worsened an already bad situation. Before the operation, it says Gazans had only half the water they needed according to international standards, and 80% of water supplied did not meet WHO drinking standards.
    At the height of the January fighting, half of Gaza's population had no access to piped water.
    Gaza's sewage treatment body estimates that at least 50m litres of raw or poorly-treated sewage is released into the sea daily.
    Some of Gaza's sewage is stored in huge lagoons, one of which burst in 2007 causing at least five deaths.



    BUSINESSES


    Overall, the UN says the blockade has caused the economy "irreversible damage". Unemployment has soared from 30% in 2007 to 40% in 2008, according to the World Bank, though it dropped slightly in early 2010. The UN says that when aid is discounted, 70% of Gazan families live on less than a dollar a day per person.



    The closures have devastated the private sector. Before 2007, up to about 750 trucks of furniture, food products, textiles and agricultural produce left Gaza each month, worth half a million US dollars a day.
    Under the blockade, the only exports allowed have been a small number of trucks of strawberries and flowers - although the situation improved slightly in early 2010, with 118 trucks leaving between December 2009 to April 2010.



    Even production for local needs has come to a virtual standstill because raw materials are usually refused entry
    According to Israeli rights organisation Gisha, small containers of margarine are allowed in for household consumption, but not large buckets, which might be used for industrial food manufacturing.
    Some industrial premises have resumed limited production using goods brought in from the tunnels.



    Before the blockade, 3,900 industrial premises were operating, employing 35,000 people - by June 2008, only 90 were still functioning, employing only 860, according to the Palestinian Trade Center. The situation improved slightly during the truce.
    An estimated total of $140m of damage was done to Gaza businesses during the December and January military operation, according to a Palestinian business body, the Palestinian Private Sector Coordinating Council.



    AGRICULTURE


    Agriculture is also an important employer, but with exports at almost zero, thousands of tonnes of flowers, fruit and vegetables have been destroyed or sold at a loss on the local market.
    Other food production has also been affected - for example, rising fishermen's fuel costs pushed up the price of sardines, and one poultry farmer had to slaughter 165,000 chicks because he did not have the fuel for the incubators to keep them alive.



    The UN's FAO says $180m of trees, fields, livestock, greenhouses and nurseries were destroyed during operation Cast Lead. The Palestinian Authority estimates 15% of agricultural land was destroyed.
    The FAO says the closed borders are a major obstacle to reconstruction, with fertilizer, livestock, seedlings and agricultural equipment in short supply.
    Israel says that in 2010 it has allowed potato seeds, eggs for reproduction, bees and fertiliser that could not be used to manufacture explosives into the Strip.



    CONSTRUCTION


    Restrictions on construction materials, particularly cement, and spare parts for machinery, have had a big impact on projects ranging from water treatment to grave digging. Reconstruction of buildings and infrastructure destroyed in the 2009 Israeli operations in Gaza has been virtually impossible.
    The UN says restrictions on cement have made the reconstruction of 12,000 Palestinian homes damaged or destroyed in Israeli military operations "impossible".
    It says it has not been able to build schools to house 15,000 new pupils, necessary because of population growth since the blockade began.
    A few hundred tonnes of cement entered Gaza in the first half of 2010, but aid organisations say this is a fraction of the need - Gisha says 70,000 tonnes arrived monthly before the blockade.
    Even before operation Cast Lead, all factories making construction materials had shut down (13 making tiles, 30 concrete, 145 marble and 250 making bricks), and the building of roads, water and sanitation infrastructure, medical facilities, schools and housing was on hold.
    During the truce, some trucks of cement and gravel began to enter Gaza, but the volume was well below the need, and the flow stopped as the truce fell apart.



    MEDICAL CARE


    The World Health Organization says the blockade has lead to a general "worsening of the health conditions of the population" and "accelerated the degeneration" of the health system.



    Israel generally allows medicines into Gaza. The WHO says that shortages of drugs are a problem, with 15-30% of essential drugs out of stock over 2009. But it blames problems in the supply chain, including the rift between Fatah and Hamas.



    However it says the blockade is a major factor in the "dire state" of much of Gaza's medical equipment, with delays in approval of machines and spare parts, and engineers denied access to fit them.
    The medical system has also struggled with lack of spare parts and, at times, fuel for back-up generators, and lack of building work because of the shortage of materials.



    Before Operation Cast Lead, Gaza had only 133 hospital beds per 100,000 population, compared to 583 in Israel, and it lost some of that capacity in the fighting.



    Six hospitals suffered damage, including one that had a new building completely destroyed, another lost two whole floors.



    Gaza is simply not equipped to treat many severe cases.



    According to Israeli figures, 10,544 patients and their companions left the Gaza Strip for medical treatment in Israel in 2009.
    But the WHO says that in December 2009, permission for 21% of patients was denied or delayed, and 27 patients in total died during the year while waiting for referrals to Israel.
    The Rafah crossing into Egypt has been closed since June 2007, although special medical cases are sporadically allowed to pass through it.
    Israel says extensive security screening is necessary, as it says three people with permits to leave for medical reasons have been found to be planning attacks in Israel.
    It also says it has offered to facilitate passage through Israel to Jordan for Palestinians it refuses permits to on security grounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    The 13-page submission by the Israeli authorities to the Tel Aviv District Court raises more questions than it answers.
    It does set the context for the blockade: in what Israel considers to be its existential conflict with Hamas.
    But it will not satisfy those calling for Israel to be more open about one of its most contentious policies.
    Lest we forget that Hamas was voted in as the Palestinian government in elections overseen by the UN, that Israel refused to acknowledge them, bombed them out of office and replaced them with Fatah.

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