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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    they have to allow black people to join the bnp
    And rightly so, they would be a hell of a lot more popular if they dropped the whitey only thing and focussed on sorting out the chaff from the wheat.

    I mean you can't go kicking out all the Indians, a mans gotta have a good curry on a Friday night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "The moment a burglar steps over your threshold, and invades your property, with all the threat that gives to you, your family and your livelihood, I think they leave their human rights outside."
    Yes soumds good, but giving people carte blanche to execute law against intruders/ trespassers, is not well thought through.

    I see the headlines allready.
    Are you going american ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot
    I find it very difficult to even bother voting as they all do the same, get in power, promise stuff and deliver very little.
    I think the once or twice I did vote it was for the monster raving looney party for the reasons you state above.

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    an old workmate of mine was murdered by burglars a few years back .it was lunchtime when he came back from walking his dog and found 2 chavs forcing the door .he confronted them and they beat him up and then packed him into a van and tossed him out farther along the road. he died from his injuries .
    i'd rather have a phlebotomy than a full frontal lobotomy

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "The moment a burglar steps over your threshold, and invades your property, with all the threat that gives to you, your family and your livelihood, I think they leave their human rights outside."
    Yes soumds good, but giving people carte blanche to execute law against intruders/ trespassers, is not well thought through.

    I see the headlines allready.
    Are you going american ?
    What headlines Helge, like this made up one- burglar shoot dead by Mrs killready, a 71 year old pensioner.

    1 burglar less, 1 possible victim and property saved hurray


    TEXAS- the Castle law from I think 2007, gives homeowners the right to shoot intruders.

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    More like 'Newspaperboy shot on first day on his delivery route, or Retired expat in Pattaya met a shotgun when he by mistake( drunk after a night out with his mobilephone camera) mistook neighbors house for he's own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    TEXAS- the Castle law from I think 2007, gives homeowners the right to shoot intruders.
    Legal in Iraq aswell ? (gaelder det ogsaa i Irak, Lars ?)
    Last edited by helge; 01-02-2010 at 05:17 AM.

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    We've had that in most states in America for years. If you kill an intruder within your own home you are presumed to have been in fear for your life and it is self defense. See California Penal Code Sections 198 and 199. Rob a home go to hell.

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    I recall when my neighbours house was burgled , the cops showed up and surprised the bad guys, they tried to do a runner and were given a good kicking by several burly cops.

    excellent entertainment for a young lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    'Newspaperboy shot on first day on his delivery route,
    Why would a newspaper boy be wandering around in my home?

    Anyway, I thought the right to self-defence was pretty much universal, funny place that UK.

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    Excellent opportunities here mateys.

    When the sleazebag boyfriend that I absolutely hates comes to meet my imaginary daughter, I can legally blast him to the other side of the road

    I'll be the first in line for the recruiting office of the Teakdoor dogs of home stewardship army. In short the TDHSA office
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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    I would still recommend that people make their bedrooms their safe room as much as possible, deadbolts on the inside in use when at sleep
    Not sure my 2 year old would manage to open the door at 2am when he needs a piss.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    - Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).
    Just lost all credibility with that one. Only socially 3rd world countries use capital punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    I mean you can't go kicking out all the Indians, a mans gotta have a good curry on a Friday night.
    Most curry houses are run by Bangladeshis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    I would still recommend that people make their bedrooms their safe room as much as possible, deadbolts on the inside in use when at sleep
    Not sure my 2 year old would manage to open the door at 2am when he needs a piss.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    - Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).
    Just lost all credibility with that one. Only socially 3rd world countries use capital punishment.
    No true it's a problem if you are a family with children sleeping in several different rooms, or have children having enjoyed a pint (milk) with dad (guinness) before bedtime pros and cons or en-suite bathrooms always have to be considered.

    The Danish Muhammed cartoonist that recently was attacked by a mad man in his house, chose to leave his Grandchild in the room with the assailant, having judged that he would not have time to grab the child, he ran to the safe-room which was his bathroom, and alerted the Police who came and shot the intruder, the intruder luckily ignored the child.
    The Cartoonist received quite a lot of flack from the public after for having abandoned the Grandchild, in this case it turned out to be the right decision, but Imagine the uproar if the child had been hurt, a very controversial dilemma.
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    ^ Send em' back to do their time....not the worst idea yet....may stop some crim's in their tracks.....Hmmm jail in Iran, Irag etc eastern europe...bet they ain't as nice as a blighty jail...."sausage egg and chips or a nice healthy option today squire???"

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    ^Most burglars don't carry weapons in the UK.
    I knew a couple of burglars from the UK and me ol' man knew shed loads...(he was a copper ) It was well known if the burglaring trade that you should n't take a weapon....it would get a you a much larger sentence should you get caught also the chances of leaving at the scene with evidence on it...

    I turned my mate away from burglary especially when I caught him in the alley way behind my house about to rob from some of my neighbours..!!!!! Cheeky git...I threatened him with some 'biker' mates of mine and he came around...we became better friends and eventually after not too long I managed to get him to stop entirely.. (kudo's to me)

    He now has a wife and child and still remember the day I saved him from going back to the nick' yet again.....he is sort of legit I believe now...well he has nothing to do with robbing and stealing that's for sure (15yrs+) Hey we ain't all angels are we....but he's trying..

    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    Your making these thieving bastards sound like home removalists
    They certainly remove things from your home...My mate would never intentionally enter anyones place or business knowing that it was occupied. He said it was just a stupid thing to do...I think that he would feel the same shoe on other foot theory. Oh on another note he never robbed the poor...not that that's an excuse...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    Make joint custody of children the norm in divorce cases;
    That's great if the parents is an abusive one!!!! go and stay with mummy this week kids.....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...Dad please...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    Use electronically tagged “chain gangs” to provide labour for projects such as coastal defences;
    Shit, I didn't know that Britain was being invaded from the sea????!!!!!!! or do they mean helping to stop land erosion????? what are the BNP gonna do just stack a shed load of con's in front of the prom'????

    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    addressing the root social causes of crime, both indigenous and non-indigenous in origin.
    Many parents are going to jail then????
    Much of the problem I saw in the UK was that babies were having babies. Then these children were being very badly looked after or being made to stay with grandma etc...then eventually the mother grows up and takes the child herself which has little to no respect for it's birth mother as she pretty much dumped the child so she could carry on 'enjoying' herself and going out with her mates.

    They are taught no manners and end up being little tykes (girls and boys alike) And so we have the society that we have today...kids robbing, raping, murdering people sometimes just for kicks..

    I hate this it's the movies fault or the music crap an all....that's just called not facing up to being a proper parent. We all grew up with social unrest and violence....
    I and many of the people my age (37) still hold manners and respect in high regard...I still hold the door open for people behind me.
    (in thailand you get no thanks but I just can't stop myself) Including all the other things my 'violent' parents instilled in me..Yes I came from a violent domestic parental nightmare...however they still taught us morals, manners and respect of other people..regardless of race. (in Thailand gets no thanks)

    Just don't see that nowadays...anyone generally under the age of 30 (with a few exceptions) has lost the plot when it comes to being a decent human being..
    (in general)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    Non-indigenous crime – rapidly becoming a serious problem, as the knife and gun crime epidemic spreading throughout our major cities
    Agreed, bring back 'Borstal' that didn't work either did it... It must come from the parents and society to force change...When everyone realises that that behaviour just isn't acceptable then things will get better and not before in my book...
    Read to your kids instead of putting them in front of the TV....teach them right from wrong and insist on them behaving..If the child screams it's head off because it wants something....don't just give in....weakness and child can smell it like and dog can smell fear...once that power grows you've lost...be kind but firm...Love your kids enough to treat and teach them right.

    Then I am sure society will get better and crime may subside...Oh and stop rutting..if only just for a day.....If you ain't got no money to feed and clothe the 1st child don't have another 3!!!!!!!

    My last point that I'd like to address is the BNP's stance on non-indigenous crime.

    Is it any different??? to indigenous crime..???? Ah, they just can't leave it alone can they....racist bunch of tossers...remember the 70s & 80's..
    right up there with ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    Admittedly, they are portrayed as nothing more than a bunch of loopy skinheads in 18 hole doc martins by the media in the UK, but if there was one party that I could be actually arsed to vote for, it would be them.
    Oh Spin you have fallen the the oldest trick in the politicians book...tell them what they want to hear then, do the bloody opposite..they would A: never get most of their policies through parliament unless they actually did become like their glorious leader...


    Trend setter!!!!

    I remember the same rhetoric back in the 80's when they were a little more up front about their policies...they have just learned to play the game better than before...
    Wolves in sheeps clothing....

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    There are many untold tragedies behind your average "innocent" burglaries, true people might know an otherwise nice lad that only steals from the rich but apart from that is a very jolly fellow, but I don't care-

    Look many burglars have 200 or more burglaries behind them in their career, and everyone is a potential human tragedy for the victims and much more serious that the short concise news reports reveal, how often have we all seen in the paper- "burglary on so and so street last night" and that is it we dont give it any more thought, what if it said-

    The burglary on so and so street caused the Wife in the residence to have a nervous breakdown she has not been able to return to work for 6 month, her elderly Husband got so distraught over the condition of his Wife that he had a fatal heart attack shortly after the incident, (now this is a real situation I have experienced.)

    Or- the burglary of his house put him in such a state that he could no longer sleep in the residence, the thought of the burglars having been in their bedroom while they where asleep have made it impossible for Mr. Hasson to be able to feel safe in the house, last week they sold the house loosing 50.000 pounds just to get out quickly and start a fresh in a new home.

    Or-Mr Jansson explained that in the burglary last month he lost a few objects of sentimental value, things he had been given by his deceased Father, it was the only things he had to remember him by and completely irriplacable, it has broken Mr Janssons heart and not a day goes by without him thinking about it, he has had difficulties in concentrating on his work and have a severe depression, he feels completely violated, some of the most sacred he owned has been brutally taken away and he will never get it back.

    Or- when we interviewed the insurance executive about the consequences of the many burglaries, he explained that all the insured of-cause paid the costs through their rising premiums, and unfortunately it is the many average insured that pays most for the few very valuable losses, this is the way insurance is put together. on top of that your low income citizens with few or no tax deductions have to add the additional cost's through the taxes for the Police work, the courts and the prison and social services, when you hear that someone only steals from the rich and the insurance covers, it is a rubbish notion, it is Joe average that the costs ultimately is levied from. Individuals that have had a burglary do of-cause often face increased premiums and ultimately can loose their cover altogether if they have 3 or more burglary's.

    I could go on and on, the above is all made up from my memories and work experiences, burglaries is so much more than just that, but this never reaches the news, the victims are left alone to deal with the some times very negative consequence's of those crimes, and soceity as a whole pays a heavy price.

    I say again you should be allowed to defend your property and yourself against those criminals, it has nothing to do with letting completely loose for vigilantes in society, this only applies on private residential property.

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    ^ Good post mate but you could also mention how different people react when faced with an intruder in their home.

    The first thing for a woman to do would be to grab a knife and to defend herself against possible rape (after all she has no real idea why the intruder is there).

    Secondly if one man is confronted by another (during a house break-in) rage and emotion is going to happen and the victim, and before he confronts the intruder has no preconceived intention to become a vigilante. He will immediately want to protect himself and his property and will do whatever springs into his mind first and to do so.

    As far as I am concerned when someone makes that decision to illegally enter someone else's property they deserve any physical harm that comes their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole
    Oh on another note he never robbed the poor...not that that's an excuse...
    Burglary rule #1 : Never rob anyone poorer than yourself, there's no gain.

    Although I welcome this idea it does have it's problem with the interpretation of the term "reasonable force". Don't forget when it comes to court the crim will have a defence lawyer at least as good as your prosecution, probably better because he'll be on legal aid. So if you clobber a burglar make sure he's out cold and then get a kitchen knife and make sure his dabs are all over it.

    Even in Thailand although the urban myth is if you encounter a burglar you shoot him what is the reality? Does anyone have any direct experience with such a confrontation. What about farangs? The gun would have to be in your wife's name and she'd have to 'fess up to the act. Would you want to put the little lady in a situation where she has to lie in court?

    Yeah I know many Thai women are as 'ard as nails and would blow the b[at]st[at]d away sooner than look at him but what if she gets wobbly under questioning? Your ar5e will be out of the window with no pants on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belepheron
    The gun would have to be in your wife's name and she'd have to 'fess up to the act. Would you want to put the little lady in a situation where she has to lie in court?
    Lot's of the 'big men' here would take that chance because they think owning a gun is cool and acceptable.

    They'd most likely be faced with the reality of a situation that they would be completely out of their depth in.

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    "Beadle" Lot's of the 'big men' here would take that chance because they think owning a gun is cool and acceptable. They'd most likely be faced with the reality of a situation that they would be completely out of their depth in.



    Think i have to agree with Beadle on this one. Possessing a firearm without any professional training can lead to disaster when/if the time arrives to react to a serious threat to life.
    Additionally, it cannot be seen as better than nothing as it may also be used against oneself should the owner be dispossessed.

    I find it interesting that Mr Cameron has once again reacted to public outrage on this issue and is willing to put citizens lives at risk by invoking new laws should his party win this years election. Party electioneering at it's worst. While i have little respect for Mr Mandelson i believe on this occasion he is correct.

    The real problem lies with successive governments who have failed to protect the public by locking up persistent burglars indefnitely. The maximum sentence of 14 years for a non-aggravated offence has been in place for over 40 years but as we are aware any sentence can be reduced by a significant amount and indeed this is encouraged by Governments/Judiciary in order to reduce costs and the need to build more prisons.

    The public have a right to be protected from criminals/harm. Unfortunately they have been badly let down by UK Governments past and present. Employing more Police Officers will not resolve the issue, paricularly when persistent offenders are back out on the streets committing similar offences within a few months of sentencing.

    A rethink of gigantic proportions is required before any government can claim that they are really 'tackling crime'.
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    Save Britain and cull teenagers....new slogan for the next election...and one for the BNP cull everyone that ain't white-ish..



    no doubt running their 8 kids around to rob different stores in this!!!!!!


    God help us all....

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    Well Cameron you are going some way to restoring the Tory name and credibility.
    The current mentality the ptb in the UK are stoking of 'Let the police, run roughshod over the people and damn the proles' will backfire one of these days.

    You've a lot more to promise before you get my vote though...

    Good Thread DD!

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    Burglars "leave their human rights outside" when they break in to a property, Conservative leader David Cameron has said

    He promised to strengthen the law to protect householders who exercise their "legitimate" right to self-defence when confronted by an intruder...

    His latest comments come after businessman Munir Hussain, who was jailed for permanently injuring an intruder who attacked him and his family, was freed by the Court of Appeal...
    I don't know if Cameron was referring to the Hussain case directly, or even at all, but it's interesting that it is being used as an example in the article because - unless I'm very much mistaken - wasn't one of the issues involved there that Hussain chased one of the guys down and continued to beat him even after he was subdued?

    Cameron himself has used the term "legitimate" in reference to self-defence which is basically the status-quo now. His further use of "leave their rights outside" also seems to infer much of the same again and in regard to the example of Hussain given above would still not apply. I guess the real issue in question is he wants to expand and/or clarify the scope of 'appropriate response'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle
    Lot's of the 'big men' here would take that chance because they think owning a gun is cool and acceptable.
    Nothing wrong with guns, if everybody had one it sure would be a lot politer world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Nothing wrong with guns, if everybody had one it sure would be a lot politer world.
    So how did you vote on your poll mate?

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