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    British Justice at it's best

    A MILLIONAIRE businessman jailed for taking on a knife maniac who threatened to slaughter his family yesterday told of the hell his sentence has caused.


    Munir Hussain was sent down for two and a half years on Monday for GBH with intent while the masked burglar who broke into his home with two accomplices brandishing 12inch knives was set free.

    Munir, 53, told his lawyer the injustice had left him "stunned - in a living hell". He said: "I just can't understand a justice system that would jail me for trying to save the lives of my children.

    Nightmare ... Munir's son Awais


    "I don't know what I was supposed to do. I thought the jury would have families and have some idea what the terror of their children being threatened is like."
    And he warned: "Every Briton desperate to protect their family from criminals could end up like me."

    Psychologists say Munir has been left so traumatised by the attack and his jailing he could commit suicide.

    The devoutly religious dad had returned from Ramadan prayers at his local mosque with his family to find career-criminal Walid Salem, 56, in his house in High Wycombe, Bucks, with two other masked raiders.

    Salem, who has 54 previous convictions, tied up Munir, wife Shaheen Begum, sons Awais, 21, Samad, 15, and daughter Arooj, 18. They were then forced to crawl from room to room "in terror" before being made to lie down in the living room.

    Awais, now 23, yesterday told The Sun the ambush was "every family's worst nightmare".
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    He said: "These men were wearing balaclavas and the knives they were holding to our necks were at least 12 inches long. They punched me and my father repeatedly in the head and face and pushed us all to the floor.

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    "I remember my dad trying to reason with them, saying 'take everything we have - just don't hurt us'. But the men were sneering and shouting 'We're gonna f***ing kill you'.
    "My sister and mum were crying hysterically. We all thought we were going to die."

    Awais said the situation only turned when his younger brother Samad managed to escape.

    He said: "Samad ran from the room and was chased by two of the men. My mum was screaming: 'they're going to kill Samad'.
    "My father then ran after them as I grappled the remaining raider.
    "It was only later that we found out that Samad had fled upstairs, and had jumped out of the first floor window to the ground and leapt over several fences to get to my uncle's and raise the alarm."
    A jury at Reading Crown Court heard that Munir then seized his chance and turned on one of his captors. Then with the help of brother Tokeer, who lived two doors down and had run to help, they set upon Salem with a metal pole and cricket bat.
    Salem was struck so hard that the bat broke - and he suffered a fractured skull and brain injury. He was later deemed unfit to plead to charges of false imprisonment and given a two-year supervision order instead of jail.
    But it was Munir who was jailed - with a judge telling him he needed to preserve "civilised society." Brother Tokeer, 35, was sentenced to 39 months.

    Judge John Reddihough told them: "It may be that some members of the public, or media commentators, will assert that the man Salem deserved what happened to him - and that you should not have been prosecuted and need not be punished.


    "However, if persons are permitted to take the law into their own hands - and inflict their own instant and violent punishment rather than letting justice take its course, then the rule of law, and our system of criminal justice, which are the hallmarks of a civilised society, would collapse."

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    But Munir had always been a respectable, law-abiding citizen.

    He came to Britain from his native Kashmir in 1964, and founded a building acoustics company that employs ten people and last year had a turnover of £2.4million. He was also a former chairman of the Wycombe Race Equality Council.

    Awais added: "Now not only have my sister and brother and young cousins been left without their fathers, the ten people my dad employed are set to lose their jobs as his business goes under.

    "My father is the most law-abiding man in Britain. He loves this country and he respects its rules, laws and justice system.

    "But - on that awful night - we thought we were going to die. All that was going through my father's mind was to protect his family. We didn't choose to be victims of crime. We were just innocents until this was thrusted upon us. But now our lives are wrecked because of a situation no-one could possibly ever prepare or legislate for, let alone control.

    "We were victims of a horrific crime - but it's the injustice we suffered that has destroyed us. The fact that this man was let off is sickening. I can't even begin to tell you the level of trauma the raid - and my dad's sentence - has caused my family.

    "My little sister barely leaves the house she's so terrified. My brother, who was always a strong character, sleeps beside me in my room. He won't even go downstairs on his own at night.



    "My mother had a mini-stroke, brought on by the stress of the trial. I'm trying to hold my dad's business together. He poured his whole life and energy into it - but the accountants say, without him it will go under in six months.

    "I spoke to my dad in prison yesterday and he's broken. All he kept saying was 'make sure you've locked the door and the windows, be careful'. He's petrified that we will be targeted again.
    "The only comfort we have is the thousands of people who have pledged support - and the constant letters and phone-calls we're getting from all around the world."
    Munir's barrister Michael Wolkind QC said he had been inundated with emails from people overseas too - all "staggered at the state of English justice".

    He said: "Mr Hussain is a very calm, controlled, polite and religious man. It is a travesty that he has been treated so badly by English justice.

    "When Mr Hussain went after his attacker he believed that the raiders had killed his youngest son as the boy was missing. His decision to hit back was taken in the agony of the moment.
    "The criminal justice system has failed twice. The court was unable to sentence Walid Salem with sufficient harshness or Munir and Tokeer Hussain with sufficient compassion."

    Victims' Rights Campaigner Malcolm Starr ran the crusade to free Tony Martin after he was jailed for life for shooting a burglar he caught in his Norfolk home.
    He said: "Tony says no lessons appear to have been learned since he was convicted ten years ago. He supports the Hussains 100 per cent.

    "These people should not be on the streets. Then they cry foul when they come off worse".

    The brothers plan to appeal against conviction and sentence.


    Read more: Hell of dad who was jailed for attacking knife raider in his home | The Sun |News

    Going by this premiss, we should sue afghanistan for our boys getting killed.
    We do live in a strange world. Sorry, i should say country.

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    That's unbelievable. I only hope it gets overturned on appeal. Wonder what the esteemed judge would rule had it happened to his family?

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    Not to worry. That shithole will be ruled by sharia law in the not too distant future so no need to fret to any great extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    That's unbelievable. I only hope it gets overturned on appeal. Wonder what the esteemed judge would rule had it happened to his family?
    Our esteemsd judges do not live in the real world and never have.
    Most of them have young boy friends and seem not to look any further than thier own front door .

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    Well, we can only hope that the next front door Mr. Salem goes through with his knife-wielding friends is the judge's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    "However, if persons are permitted to take the law into their own hands - and inflict their own instant and violent punishment rather than letting justice take its course, then the rule of law, and our system of criminal justice, which are the hallmarks of a civilised society, would collapse."

    This wanker is not in the real world. the british legal system collapsed years ago when political correctness and zero tolerance were taken to the extreme by a bunch of sissies and bearded social workers wearing cardigans, wooly socks and sandals
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    with a judge telling him he needed to preserve "civilised society."

    People have the right to defend their life and property, but at the time of the attack there was to risk to life or property.
    This was nothing more than a vicious vigilante attack and the punishment they got was deserving and just.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjbkk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    "However, if persons are permitted to take the law into their own hands - and inflict their own instant and violent punishment rather than letting justice take its course, then the rule of law, and our system of criminal justice, which are the hallmarks of a civilised society, would collapse."

    This wanker is not in the real world. the british legal system collapsed years ago when political correctness and zero tolerance were taken to the extreme by a bunch of sissies and bearded social workers wearing cardigans, wooly socks and sandals
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit View Post
    with a judge telling him he needed to preserve "civilised society."

    People have the right to defend their life and property, but at the time of the attack there was to risk to life or property.
    This was nothing more than a vicious vigilante attack and the punishment they got was deserving and just.
    I'm trying to think what else this guy could have, should have done,
    calling the police in the uk is prooving futile, it is like a lottery as to when they will turn up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    I'm trying to think what else this guy could have, should have done, calling the police in the uk is prooving futile, it is like a lottery as to when they will turn up.
    Unless you live in some remote outpost a 999 call will get you a very swift response and High Wycombe is hardly a remote outpost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meepho View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit View Post
    with a judge telling him he needed to preserve "civilised society."

    People have the right to defend their life and property, but at the time of the attack there was to risk to life or property.
    This was nothing more than a vicious vigilante attack and the punishment they got was deserving and just.
    I'm trying to think what else this guy could have, should have done,
    calling the police in the uk is prooving futile, it is like a lottery as to when they will turn up.
    Yes I do see your point and the police in the UK are almost hamstrung by PC rules and ridiculous targets that they must meet but this was still Nothing more that a vigilante beating.
    Had the man still been inside the house then I would have every sympathy with the defendant, but he wasn't, he was tracked down and revenge was extracted, if this went unpunished it would send a message that this kind of violent behaviour is acceptable and allowed in the UK, the ramifications would be wide spread and no doubt we would be seeing this happening up and down the UK for even the pettiest of crimes

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    Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anywhere that Mr. Salem was not in the house. The man's son had managed to flee upstairs and jump out of the window to safety, but then, the man, believing his son had been killed, turned on Mr. Salem and struck him. Inside the house, from what I read. I agree with you to a degree; if Salem had fled the house, it's a bit of a different legal situation. Still in the house, house rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by meepho
    I'm trying to think what else this guy could have, should have done, calling the police in the uk is prooving futile, it is like a lottery as to when they will turn up.
    Unless you live in some remote outpost a 999 call will get you a very swift response and High Wycombe is hardly a remote outpost.

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    A COUNCILLOR tore into the chief constable of Thames Valley Police after she insisted PCs were sent to victims of crime.
    Cllr Martin Tett said: “They don’t come, they don’t turn up, it is not something they are interested in.”
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    Salem, who has 54 previous convictions, tied up Munir, wife Shaheen Begum, sons Awais, 21, Samad, 15, and daughter Arooj, 18. They were then forced to crawl from room to room "in terror" before being made to lie down in the living room.

    Obviously this guy has not leaned his lesson, maybe this is his only real justice faced yet, if it had been me that had just gone through that ordeal, i'd hazard a guesse he would be dead.

    There have been numerous examples of bad police respose times, with people ending up dead.
    Noteably a young farther killed in front of his family after numerous calls.

    I realise the comment i made was a tad ott.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anywhere that Mr. Salem was not in the house. The man's son had managed to flee upstairs and jump out of the window to safety, but then, the man, believing his son had been killed, turned on Mr. Salem and struck him. Inside the house, from what I read. I agree with you to a degree; if Salem had fled the house, it's a bit of a different legal situation. Still in the house, house rules.
    I heard it on the radio yesterday that he had left the house and that he was hunted down and beaten outside the house. I'll re-check

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    Mr Hussain made a break for freedom by throwing a coffee table at his attackers. He and Tokeer chased the gang and brought Salem to the ground in a front garden

    Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-let-off.html


    The guy was outside the house in a neighbours garden

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    he was dealing with armed and dangerous men who were going to hurt him and his family, did that twat judge realy think if these felons were asked nicely to calm down and wait for the plods to come they would have done so, he must be living in some hollywood fxcking movie land, ime glad ime off the stinking shit sorry meant the singking ship.
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    ^^Thanks. Still, in my opinion, the neighbor's garden is 'hot pursuit' of a scumbag who had invaded his house, imprisoned and tortured his family, and whom he thought had killed his son. It's not like they did a drive-by on Salem's house the next day. I am personally delighted that they smashed in a career criminal's skull, and wish them all the very best on appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit
    Mr Hussain made a break for freedom by throwing a coffee table at his attackers. He and Tokeer chased the gang and brought Salem to the ground in a front garden

    and if they hadn't the attackers would probably never have been caught: we all know the priority of the British police




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    I'm thinking about 25 years ago, my father (A yorkshire bricklayer of huge proportions) found a burglar in our house. More precisely, in my and my younger sister's bedroom while we were sleeping. I know for a fact that nothing happened to my father regarding the law. I know the burglar was terribly injured. I think also he went to prison. How the times change.


    This man deserves a reward, not locking up. I hope the sentences are quashed on appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjbkk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit
    Mr Hussain made a break for freedom by throwing a coffee table at his attackers. He and Tokeer chased the gang and brought Salem to the ground in a front garden

    and if they hadn't the attackers would probably never have been caught: we all know the priority of the British police
    I agree that the British police have their priorities all mixed up, I'm not arguing that point.

    I'm saying that the threat was over so the beating was way too excessive,
    that vigilante justice being allowed to flourish in the UK would result in bloody anarchy, in every city every night.

    People have to adhere to British law and justice if they want to live here and if we allow them to import their own justice and their own way of meeting out punishment then we are lost as a society and the whole damn place would be ungovernable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^^Thanks. Still, in my opinion, the neighbor's garden is 'hot pursuit' of a scumbag who had invaded his house, imprisoned and tortured his family, and whom he thought had killed his son. It's not like they did a drive-by on Salem's house the next day. I am personally delighted that they smashed in a career criminal's skull, and wish them all the very best on appeal.
    I'm pretty pleased myself that this scumbag got a beating, he certainly deserved it, I'm just trying to look at the broader implications

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit
    People have to adhere to British law and justice if they want to live here and if we allow them to import their own justice and their own way of meeting out punishment then we are lost as a society and the whole damn place would be ungovernable.
    can't we just cut their balls off ?

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    I half agree but the British Legal system sympathizes far to much with the criminals, and common sense is hardly ever is taken into consideration in most legal or governmental decisions.

    Whilst I agree there should be a rule of law, but we often see in the UK that the good guy never seems to get a fair play.

    Too many overpaid lawyers have truly destroyed justice.

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    ^^No! we cant, now go away and eat a puppy or something to satisfy your blood lust

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit
    Mr Hussain made a break for freedom by throwing a coffee table at his attackers. He and Tokeer chased the gang and brought Salem to the ground in a front garden

    and if they hadn't the attackers would probably never have been caught: we all know the priority of the British police
    I agree that the British police have their priorities all mixed up, I'm not arguing that point.

    I'm saying that the threat was over so the beating was way too excessive,
    that vigilante justice being allowed to flourish in the UK would result in bloody anarchy, in every city every night.

    People have to adhere to British law and justice if they want to live here and if we allow them to import their own justice and their own way of meeting out punishment then we are lost as a society and the whole damn place would be ungovernable.
    Sorry Sdidgit,
    The ordeal was in full flow definately, not over.
    You have terror, rage, emotions running high along with despair, [ he thought his son had been killed ] all in the heat of the moment.

    This should have been taken into account by the judge.

    If the dad had waited a couple of days and planned an attack, then yes i could side with you.

    But this was a sequence of events all in the same time span with no time for a rational thought pattern, imho.

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