My first laugh of the new year. Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dotcom
/you are an idiot. Meet him before you call him out ;)
My first laugh of the new year. Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dotcom
/you are an idiot. Meet him before you call him out ;)
:tieme:just another fucking muslim lucky it was in amerika he will die in jail they will never let him out :ourrules::deadhorsebig::deadhorsebig::deadhorsebi g::tieme::smileylaughing::smileylaughing::smileyla ughing::smileylaughing::smileylaughing:
The Israelis think North Americans are dumb when it comes to security at airports. The record speaks for itself. Of course, getting the bureaucrats to upend their concept of security completely, plus hiring, training, and the willingness to pay competent people rather than trying to rely on machinery would get in the way of making the sorts of changes to achieve the kind of system described in this article: The 'Israelification' of airports: High security, little bother - thestar.com
Sounds to me that you have an issue with people who happen to be Muslim since some of their recruits are other demoninations. Intelligence is the key since part of it's function is to watch for the for the situation you describe.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo
That article is fantastic, thank you for citing it. Yes, security can be thorough and not be a complete pain in the butt. It's the over acting by security clowns that causes so much disruption every time something happens. Israel seems to understand that the purpose of terrorism is to weaken society through disruption, and unlike the Americans they are smart enough not to play along.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
^^ Good article. I think the main take away point from the incident itself, and also this article, is that the people in charge are completely incompetent. Starting with the DHS all the way down to the TSA - idiots are in charge, and they're not going to catch anyone, and annoy everyone.
As a friend of mine said: "If we can't catch a Nigerian with explosives in feminine underpants, whose father alerted the U.S. embassy, whose ticket was bought in cash, who didn’t check bags, whose visa was denied by the UK, who studied in Yemen, whose name was on a watch list, who can we catch?"
And that pretty much sums it up.
You're in danger of falling into the same trap that billions of others have walked blindly into. The cause of the problem is not Palestine, territory, infringement of human, civil, god-given or other rights, not Afghanistan, Abu Ghraib, Iraq, or oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by dotcom
These are all diversions. The cause of the problem is the evil ideology of Islam.
Yup. Could be proven wrong in time but the last El-al plane to be hijacked will probably be the last for many years to come, thanks to Israeli intel, and their understanding of Islam and its associated terror, which the West is only now beginning to grudgingly wake up to.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
Meanwhile, the West cannot be expected to protect its planes and airports without recognising it is at war, and then, amazingly, who with. Also, no half-hearted defensive measures can work, first because they are half-hearted and then because they are defensive, esp when every part of every measure must stand up to scrutiny in case rights or feelings are hurt.
So, protect planes and Islamic terrorists will target the airport, protect the airport, no ploplem and they can target something else till you believe in the soporific that your airport security is working just fine.
Otoh, one could argue that Islamic terrorists will no longer hijack Western planes, simply because 911 has taught passengers to go down fighting rather than cooperate in the hope of being ransomed. Otoh, Islamic terrorist masterminds, if they have any common sense at all and I believe they do, must absolutely continue targeting planes and airports, if only rarely, simply to ensure that Western nations devote enormous resources towards pretending to protect soft targets that are not even targets.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
The money quote actually reads: "Fifty-eight percent (58%) of U.S. voters say waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques should be used to gain information from the terrorist who attempted to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day."Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
You know, its a shame when a Mod has to resort to childish misquotes, eh?:mid:
Happy New Year & have a nice day!:)
...fighting unwinnable wars in unrelated countries?Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
Because intel derived from torture is so reliable right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
The U.S. has considered waterbording to be illegal since 1898 "As far back as the U.S. occupation of the Philippines after the 1898 Spanish-American War, U.S. soldiers were court-martialed for using the "water cure" to question Filipino guerrillas."
Also the U.S. government tried, convicted, and executed Japanese officers for war crimes
"Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding."
Water boarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in Vietnam 40 years ago. A photograph that appeared in The Washington Post of a U.S. soldier involved in water boarding a North Vietnamese prisoner in 1968 led to that soldier's severe punishment.
"The soldier who participated in water torture in January 1968 was court-martialed within one month after the photos appeared in The Washington Post, and he was drummed out of the Army," recounted Darius Rejali, a political science professor at Reed College.
The Government of the U.S. has tried, and convicted both U.S. and foreign solders for waterbording.
No, because most would like to see the prick suffer some I should imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by slackula
I'm a frequent flyer and for one, would be quite happy to see this POS go through some discomfort as he is causing me to suffer even more...:confused:
It's rare for a sadist to actually come clean about his motivation for supporting torture, and I applaud your honesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon MeeNo, because most would like to see the prick suffer some I should imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by slackula
I'm a frequent flyer and for one, would be quite happy to see this POS go through some discomfort as he is causing me to suffer even more...:confused:
^
So where's the Green?:rolleyes:
No argument there from me. If he is convicted of the crime in a court of law then I imagine he will spend the rest of his life in a supermax prison cell, a punishment he would richly deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
But if you want to torture or otherwise hurt the guy then you are lowering yourself to the level of the scumbags imho.
There's no one size fits all here. The prime motivation for H2Obaording this fellow would be of course, extracting useful information in prevention of forthcoming terrorist acts. Regardless of what you might read in the press, we do know that KSM sang like a canary following his subjection to so-called ""torture". And if that means saving innocent lives, I say get ready for that water bucket. Just based on emperical evidence it makes sense as there was a long spell when there were no reported acts of terror.Quote:
Originally Posted by slackula
Washington (CNN) -- One hundred and fifty new full-body scanning machines are set to be placed in airports across the United States as federal authorities work to close security loopholes exposed by the attempted Christmas Day bombing of a U.S.-bound airliner.
The Transportation Security Administration ordered the scanners before the bombing attempt for up to $170,000 apiece. Plans are also in place to purchase an additional 300 units by 2012, TSA officials said.
Forty body scanners are currently in use at 19 U.S. airports. Use of the technology -- considered overly invasive by critics -- is optional, according to the TSA Web site. Passengers who opt out of the screening receive an alternate form of checking, which includes a pat-down procedure.
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/12/31/airport.body.scanners/index.html
And
Link: http://www.americablog.com/2010/01/what-those-new-fangled-airport.html
Good and informative article, but incomplete. For some reason it skirts around the fact that the Israelis make heavy use of ethnic profiling. They also use an intelligence network second to none. It's difficult to believe that behavioral observation is what makes their security so special. That dipshit Nigerian had his nuts halfway burned off over Detroit and other passengers commented how calm he looked during the entire incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
[quote=WhiteKnight;1277226]The 19 hijackers during 9/11, Richard Reed and Abdulmutallab were all young or early middle age, male and Muslim. I can't think of any incidents in the past decade where people tried to destroy Western airliners and weren't Muslims. It defies common sense that airport security should be forced by law to apply the same level of scrutiny to a 52 year-old schoolteacher from Iowa traveling with her children as they do to a 21 year-old male student from Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo
Really? What ethnicity would that be? Surely not Red Sea pedestrian.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRooGood and informative article, but incomplete. For some reason it skirts around the fact that the Israelis make heavy use of ethnic profiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
An article on the Israelis' use of ethnic profiling at airports from Haaretz, a reputable Israeli newspaper:Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzoReally? What ethnicity would that be? Surely not Red Sea pedestrian.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRooGood and informative article, but incomplete. For some reason it skirts around the fact that the Israelis make heavy use of ethnic profiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
Palestinian Americans warned of security profiling at B-G Airport - Haaretz - Israel News
So what's wrong with that? Seems to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRooAn article on the Israelis' use of ethnic profiling at airports from Haaretz, a reputable Israeli newspaper:Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzoReally? What ethnicity would that be? Surely not Red Sea pedestrian.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRooGood and informative article, but incomplete. For some reason it skirts around the fact that the Israelis make heavy use of ethnic profiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
Palestinian Americans warned of security profiling at B-G Airport - Haaretz - Israel News
Yep, it seems to work. I've got no problem with it at all. Just thought I'd add the link for informational purposes. In the USA it's only right wing nutjobs that currently want to profile air travelers. In reality, the general public will be screaming for it as these attempts inevitably continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzoSo what's wrong with that? Seems to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRooAn article on the Israelis' use of ethnic profiling at airports from Haaretz, a reputable Israeli newspaper:Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzoReally? What ethnicity would that be? Surely not Red Sea pedestrian.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRooGood and informative article, but incomplete. For some reason it skirts around the fact that the Israelis make heavy use of ethnic profiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
Palestinian Americans warned of security profiling at B-G Airport - Haaretz - Israel News
Rightwing or leftwing wtf, it's about saving lives, and lives under threat by a so-called religion of peace.
Amazingly, there are fully gown adults that still cannot recognise the irony.
Oh my Buddha...Quote:
Originally Posted by dotcommmm where have I heard this before? O yeah from Baracks pastor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muadib
I'm assuming Maudib is a Muslim. If he is he knows what the root cause is. Palestine.
Check a bit of history dotcum before your head explodes with nationalism... Or do you think all of these attacks on US interests are just because all Muslims are bad people... Never mind, I know what your answer will be... Carry on...
I do not believe that Islam and all Muslims are fundamentally evil... No more so than Christians, Jews, Hindus or Agnostics... It's the politicization of religion for nationalistic goals which warps the truth for the believer and turns that sect into perceived lunatics by the rest of the world... It's not specific to any religious deity either...
As with many issues, follow the chain of money & power and therein lies the evil...
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/co...eligion-1.html
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/co...eligion-2.html
Spot on. Even many of the intelligent, old-school American conservatives such as Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan fully agree with you. You also have the facts strongly on your side. Professor Robert Pape's study of suicide terrorists found that there is a very strong correlation between their mindset and the West's foreign policies (I don't expect psuedo-conservative jingoist warmongers to actually read anything they don't agree with, but I'll give them the link anyway):Quote:
Originally Posted by Muadib
Amazon.com: Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (9780812973389): Robert Pape: Books
Also, Blowback: the costs and consequences ... - Google BooksQuote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRooSpot on. Even many of the intelligent, old-school American conservatives such as Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan fully agree with you. You also have the facts strongly on your side. Professor Robert Pape's study of suicide terrorists found that there is a very strong correlation between their mindset and the West's foreign policies (I don't expect psuedo-conservative jingoist warmongers to actually read anything they don't agree with, but I'll give them the link anyway):Quote:
Originally Posted by Muadib
Amazon.com: Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (9780812973389): Robert Pape: Books
It really doesn't take much insight to state the obvious...
Most terrorist attacks are followed up by a declaration from the responsible parties as to why they did it... In most recent case of the Dec 25th attempted bombing of the NW flight from Amsterdam, the Yemeni faction of Al-Qaeda stated the attack was in response to US attacks in Yemen...
What bothers me is that the right-wing neo-cons never realize why the US is being subjected to terrorist attacks...
Al-Qaeda Group in Yemen Claims Responsibility for Attempted Northwest Bombing -- Politics Daily
Al-Qaeda Group in Yemen Claims Responsibility for Attempted Northwest Bombing
An al-Qaeda branch in Yemen boasted Monday that it was behind the attempted bombing of a Northwest Airlines flight to Detroit on Christmas Day, the New York Daily News reports. A message posted on an al-Qaeda Web site in the Arabian Peninsula called the bomber a "Nigerian brother" and said he used a device manufactured by the terrorist group. The bomb failed as a result of a "technical fault."
"We call on every soldier working in the Crusader Army and the agent governments to repent before Allah and take the example of the brother hero mujahid, Nidal Hasan, and fight all the Crusaders with all available means to support the religion of Allah and raise his word on the earth," the AQAP statement said.
The Yemeni military, with help from the United States, has carried out two strikes against al-Qaeda targets in recent weeks, for which the group had vowed revenge. The most recent strike, just before Christmas Eve, targeted a radical cleric tied to Maj. Nasan, who allegedly shot and killed 12 U.S. military personnel at Fort Hood in November.
U.S. intelligence and military officials have called Yemen a haven for al-Qaeda and placed a strong emphasis on its strategic importance. The United States recently returned six detainees from Guantanamo Bay to the country, and has worked closely with the Yemeni government to prevent them from returning to radical activity.
When neo-cons do try to explain the motivation of the terrorists, they attribute it to a simple case of mental illness. A worthless turd by the name of Ben Stein, who always manages to get his ugly face on US television, came up with this insightful analysis in the following interview: "They're terrorists and murders because they're psychos." In the interview, Stein also managed to unleash more of his nonsense against Congressman Ron Paul, accusing Dr. Paul's statements of being anti-Semitic, although the congressman never even mentioned Israel in the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muadib
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOV0qCW7nBA
[QUOTE=GooMaiRoo;1277967]You just don't get it do you? You want to harp on about Muslims being the bad guys as many others here do yet the terrorists cells are said to be recruiting non-Muslims and how is that known? One word in INTELLIGENCE! Applying the same level of security to some 87 grandma in a wheel chair hardly enhances security.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteKnightThe 19 hijackers during 9/11, Richard Reed and Abdulmutallab were all young or early middle age, male and Muslim. I can't think of any incidents in the past decade where people tried to destroy Western airliners and weren't Muslims. It defies common sense that airport security should be forced by law to apply the same level of scrutiny to a 52 year-old schoolteacher from Iowa traveling with her children as they do to a 21 year-old male student from Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo
Intelligence is a partial answer, but it hardly helps if the terrorist recruits have no background. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslims. If you read some of my other posts, you'll realize that I put much of the blame for the current problems on the West's policies toward Muslim countries (for example see my posts above regarding Professor Robert Pape's book and Ron Paul's TV interview). I'm just trying to be practical about stopping carnage on commercial aircraft
Yes some terrorists have no background but the fact remains they are recruited by terrorists! There are events on record where people have 'flown below the radar' not least because of the apparent ineptitude of the security service to recognize a threat staring them in the face. As for commercial aircraft, very easy to 'knobble' one when you know how and you don't even have to go near the pilot. Although not that any of what I say here matters if terrorists fire missiles from the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo
US bomb suspect "reached out" to UK militants-report
LONDON, Jan 2 (Reuters) - British security services knew three years ago that the Nigerian accused of trying to blow up a U.S.-bound plane had "multiple communications" with Islamic extremists in Britain, a newspaper reported on Saturday. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, charged with trying to blow up Northwest flight 253 from Amsterdam as it approached Detroit on Christmas Day, studied in London between 2005 and 2008.
U.S. President Barack Obama says an al Qaeda affiliate based in Yemen was apparently behind the attack.
The Sunday Times quoted counter-terrorism officials as saying that, during his London stay, Abdulmutallab had been "reaching out" to extremists who were under surveillance by British security service MI5.
None of the information was passed to U.S. officials, which will prompt questions about intelligence failures before the attack, the newspaper said in an article posted on its website.
It said British officials had now passed a file to their U.S. counterparts on Abdulmutallab's activities while he was a student at University College London (UCL).
The file showed his repeated contacts with MI5 targets who were subject to phone taps, e-mail intercepts and other forms of surveillance, the report said.
Obama has blamed "human and systemic failures" for allowing the botched attack, saying information available to intelligence experts should have been pieced together.
British intelligence officials had defended their decision not to flag Abdulmutallab as a possible terrorism risk, saying he was one of many youths who mixed with extremists but who were not themselves thought to be involved in plotting or supporting terrorism, the Sunday Times said.
It quoted a senior British government official as saying that the intelligence agency had conducted a quick assessment of Abdulmutallab while he was living in London and concluded he was not a threat to national security.
British officials believe Abdulmutallab was recruited to undertake the Detroit plot after he left Britain, most probably while he was in Yemen last summer, the report said.
A Home Office (interior ministry) spokeswoman had no immediate comment on the report.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said on Friday that Britain was "increasingly clear that he (Abdulmutallab) linked up with al Qaeda in Yemen after leaving London".
Britain refused Abdulmutallab a further student visa in May 2009 and put him on an immigration watch list after he applied to attend a bogus college.
UCL has set up an independent review of Abdulmutallab's time at the university, during which he became president of the student Islamic Society.
Reuters AlertNet - US bomb suspect "reached out" to UK militants-report
Even without this report, it should come as no profound revelation that those with easily seduced personalities are recruited as prospective terrorists by terrorist recruiters.
Since we know that terror cells exist and are growing in the West, never mind mollycoddling poor victimised Muslims that may turn to extremism, it is the entire terror infrastructure that needs to be taken out, and ruthlessly.
TD disclaimer: Only as ruthlessly as the law permits, naturally, since we wouldn't wish to antagonise those with a declared intent to violently undermine the democratic process. That would make us just as bad as them, wouldn't it?
Breaking news: It looks like they are finally starting to figure out they need to profile.
Passengers on US-bound flights face more screening - Yahoo! News
Profiling is racist and only supported by bigots.
Much better to compromise innocent Western lives, to demonstrate what nice people we are.
I think they need to include all people that have those countries stamps in their passport as well.
Which countries?Quote:
Originally Posted by tuktukdriver
Read the article....
"The State Department lists Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria as state sponsors of terrorism. The other countries whose passengers will face enhanced screening include Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen."
Excellent. I can't stand that fat bastard King Abdullah. Looking forward to hearing about how they give him a rectal probe next time he visits the US. He's probably looking forward to it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuktukdriver
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Originally Posted by tuktukdriver
Canadians won't be liking the idea much.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuktukdriver