Thread: Tories would force jobless to work

DAVID CAMERON is to unveil a plan to get Britain back to work by forcing millions of welfare claimants into training.
Most people who have been unemployed for more than six months, including the disabled and single mothers, would be required to join the new privatised schemes or see their payments cut. The so-called Work Programme, to be unveiled at the party’s conference in Manchester tomorrow, coincides with the revelation that Iain Duncan Smith, the former party leader, would be Cameron’s adviser on “broken Britain” if the Tories win the election.

Theresa May, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said: “Under Labour we’ve seen a comprehensive failure to tackle the growing dependency culture and challenge of the long-term unemployed.
For too long Labour ducked welfare reform and too many people have suffered as a result.
“We are determined to change this with a radical and bold plan to deal with Labour’s jobs crisis and get Britain working.”
Under the new scheme:

- Rigorous medical checks will be made to determine whether those on incapacity benefit are capable of work.

- Private companies and charities will be asked to bid for contracts to place the longer-term jobless into work.

- Benefits claimants who refuse to take training places will see their payments cut.

- The Treasury will allow savings from the programmes to be reinvested in more private training places.

The Tories hope that in the first four years of a future government the scheme will help to cut drastically the number of working age people on benefits from today’s 5.9m.

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IMO, just a waste of time. Besides 6 months is too long to wait. 4 months would be more like it.
People are often discouraged from taking employment as all the benefits totted up often exceed the minimum wage. This should be rectified by allowing those on low incomes more subsidies than they currently claim. e.g. community charge exemption etc.

Labour have been happy to see more and more on long term incapacity benefits as it has cut the number of unemployed numbers. So more and more long term work shy have been transferred onto the 'disability' list. Unfortunately the country cannot afford to support the vast numbers now on it. Over 5 million have never worked since labour came to power, a sad record of wasted potential. We have heard all this get tough talk before though and nothing much happens. Anyone refusing to do some sort of community service, jobs not being available, should have the benefits cut right back.

The same old crap from the Conservatives,they cannot reduce the minimum benifits by EU law, there would be no savings just an even bigger army of civil servants.

We dont manufacture anything we dont need unskilled workers we have imported enough. Lets have some technical colleges back, how about non-combative national service?



What we need is a change in attitude and some selfworth.

What do they intend to do with the unemployed ex-MP's who lose their jobs in the next election.?

They get severance pay and a very generous pension!
Then join the companies they helped while in power.

Wasn't it the Conservatives who dismantled most of Britain's industries, and sold it all off piecemeal for a quick buck?

Good old conservatives picking on the poor watch out pensioners your next.

My mate Harry is on the sick, always has been when he isn't working. NOt that he works much anyway. Last job was four years ago.

He talks about getting a job, but can't afford one.

It's better for him to get 100 quid or so a week incapacity benefit and his housing and tax paid than it is for him to go to work.

Pretty fucked up.

He would quite like to work again, but as an unskilled 30 year old with a criminal record and few basic qualifications (prison plastering,plumbing and horticulture ) he isn't going to get a job paying 250 pounds a week after tax.

So he stays on benefits

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

afford one.

It's better for him to get 100 quid or so a week incapacity benefit and his housing and tax paid than it is for him to go to work.

Pretty fucked up.

Exactly my point. I had a friend in the same boat. He was willing to work ( in a lukewarm kinda way ) but would have had to give up his flat and move in with his mum which he didn't fancy ( nor did his mum ).

Long overdue --how can it be that they spend billions extra on the health service but there are huge numbers more of the so called incapacity benefit claiments ---Some of them have to leave the golf courses here to go back to UK to prove how terrible incapacitated they are.

Good to see the Tories are already working hard, preparing to sort out Labour's mess, yet again.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Good to see the Tories are already working hard, preparing to sort out Labour's mess, yet again.

And just like always they'll make their own mess for the next lot to clear up, a never ending cycle of promises, lies and pocket lining.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Good to see the Tories are already working hard, preparing to sort out Labour's mess, yet again.

how old are you?

This lot are not Labour,they are New Labour,a different party completely.

The Dailymash has a nice piece related to this.............

HALF A MILLION BENEFIT CHEATS THROW THEMSELVES DOWN THE STAIRS

A CONSERVATIVE plan to cut the number of people on incapacity benefit was in tatters today as 500,000 people threw themselves down a staircase.

Across Britain council houses and tower blocks echoed to the tell-tale thump of work-shy layabouts hurling themselves towards a guaranteed £25 a week.

Under the Tory plan all those who are deemed fit for work will have their benefits cut and be forced to look for jobs that currently exist only in the mind of Norman Tebbit.

Private training firms will assess all 2.6 million people on incapacity benefit to see what work they might be able to do, which experts say will most likely be assessing people on incapacity benefit to see what work they might be able to do.

Tom Logan, of the London School of Economics said: "By 2014 we should be in a situation where half the country will be assessing the employment capabilities of the other half until they get bored and throw themselves down some stairs.

"They will then join the queue for assessment and will eventually be employed assessing people who have recently thrown themselves down some stairs. And so on."

Tory leader David Cameron denied the move was a return to the harsh Thatcherite policies of the 1980s, adding: "I will personally ram a knitting needle into the thighs of all those who claim they are unfit for honest labour.

"Any scoundrel that lets out a shriek will have the gin bottle snatched from his grasp before being manhandled into the back of a cart and dumped outside the gates of his local cotton mill, bobbin factory or call centre.

"The wretch will then be forced into an upright position where he will learn the virtues of toil and the base immorality of screen breaks.

"If they apply themselves and refrain from griping, then perhaps they will rise to the rank of tradesman and one day may even be in a position to ask me how much money I have."

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They've been saying this for years..

I know a lot of these people.

Nothing's going to change.

the great welfare nations, same here in ozzie, i tried so many times to get blokes to work, in the end i was so frustrated trying to get em to turn up on time i sold the business, i have always advocated for a national service be it civil or military and if you are on the rock and roll it should be compulsory that they have to turn up at a certain time every day to sign for their 'pay', the bastards more often than not sleep all day,

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

afford one.

It's better for him to get 100 quid or so a week incapacity benefit and his housing and tax paid than it is for him to go to work.

Pretty fucked up.

Exactly my point. I had a friend in the same boat. He was willing to work ( in a lukewarm kinda way ) but would have had to give up his flat and move in with his mum which he didn't fancy ( nor did his mum ).

this is a product of the goody two shoes attitude in gb, and ten years too late to act.

it has become engrained in some quarters that they are entitled to the hand outs.

add that to cheap labour from over immigration and it does not make sense to go to work for £5 an hour, it is a government created problem and it is too late to puff their chests out, we have no work no money and too many people to look after in this country especially civil servant and their gold plated pensions.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Good to see the Tories are already working hard, preparing to sort out Labour's mess, yet again.

Yep they fooked it up in 70s, and theyve fooked it up again. Cheers Messrs Blair and Brown.

Maybe these folks have lost their sense of self-worth and self-respect. I understand that if the jobs pay less than dole benefits, they will not seek work, but how do they hold their heads up? Sad.