Thread: Tories would force jobless to work

My thought was that the EU was suppose to allow people to work in any country, regardless of where they came from, as long as it was another EU country. I guess comming from the U.S. I was spoiled. We could move any where we wanted and work any job we were qualified for. If you do not have the government giving you money every month, you will work for less if you get hungry enough.

Get off your ass and move to where the work is. Here in my Thai village, if one wants to find work, they move to the city.

Quit crying and wanting someone else to do for you what you should be doing for yourself.

Originally Posted by BillyBobThai

My thought was that the EU was suppose to allow people to work in any country, regardless of where they came from, as long as it was another EU country.

You can, but most Brits are too soft and scared to make a move abroad to ensure a better job, especially when they can hang around at home and still receive money.

What a load of utter crap and generalisations this thread has produced from the usual self centered imbeciles.

Originally Posted by Dan

Socialism has - sadly - never been practised in Britain.

Umm met quite a few SWP from Brighton and London ,couldn't run a tap.Always willing to lead people on demos into police kettles.

Like some of your posts Dan.

Originally Posted by taxexile

then you have to get on your bike and find it

Big Norman Tebbit Fan yeah.

I found the unions in the 90's to be useless ,wished they were stronger where I was working ,think they liked the odd day out it gave them from work.

I don't think we should put profits before people,why do we have compete with China or India,why couldn't the UK become a centre of quality again,made in England was a sure sign you were getting that.

Leave out the YTS thing ,the guy I worked for was paying me minimum for three years ,nice little earner there for him,so a fairer system would be better,sorry no suggestions.

Maybe if the cost of living wasn't so high in the UK ,that would help.Council tax is only there to pay councillers fat pensions.Its priorities we don't have,however there is very little the public can do about any of this.
Maybe the goverment could lay off a bit with some of the regulations etc.How good would that be to see Thai style food stalls at your market and on the streets.More self employed people,why does the UK import so much shit? The numbers are there waiting to work.
Last time for me on the South coast I looked for a small restaurant to rent...5000 quid a month!! I would have to sell a lot of cow soi guy.

So much more I would like to add but.. ,good thread,The UK has some serious problems and the future is not orange.

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

come back and tell us about something you can back up, instead of just talking out of your arse.

Fair enough. I'll have to find another thread to post bollocks in then...

Hold on this one is really good.

Our research suggests that around 5.5 million British nationals live overseas permanently (equivalent to 9.2 per cent of the UK’s population).

In addition, an estimated 500,000 British people live abroad for part of the year, mainly through second-home ownership.
This means that nearly one in ten British nationals lives part or all of the year abroad.
It also means that there are more Britons living abroad than there are foreigners living in the UK.

When those claiming British ancestry are added, the figure climbs to around 58 million. In terms of absolute size and geographical spread (of both British nationals and those claiming ancestry), it is likely that only the Indian and Chinese diasporas rival Britons living abroad.

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You'll enjoy that one.

Leave out the YTS thing ,the guy I worked for was paying me minimum for three years ,nice little earner there for him,so a fairer system would be better,sorry no suggestions.

if you werent happy on minimum what stopped you leaving and finding something better ?, if there was nothing paying more then you just have to make do with whats available and wait for an opportunity to show, if you are short of skills or qualifications, there is no shortage of free or almost free education in the uk to up your qualifications, evening classes etc.

as for the guy paying you minimum, "nice little earner" you say derisively, it was his business and he is entitled to pay whatever wages he wants, if you dont like it, get out. he invested money to open the business, he took all the risk, did all the brainwork, might even have re mortgaged his home and borrowed from the bank, so he is entitled to get a profit out of it to cover his investment.

employees are forever moaning about greedy bosses, but they are the ones who take all the risk, if the gamble fails then they usually lose more than the employees.

what you say about easing regulations to enable easier start ups is spot on, markets, food stalls, renting a corner of an existing shop to start a small enterprise, but i cant see it happening in europe/uk unfortunately, the self employed have a hard time there and are regulated and controlled to within an inch of their lives.

Nice bubble you live in.

Originally Posted by Scooter

Council tax is only there to pay councillers fat pensions.Its priorities we don't have,however there is very little the public can do about any of this

Actually, they don't qualify. Council Tax is a main source of income for authorities after ever decreasing Govt. funding that enables them to go some way to providing the many statutory services required of them. The amount charged is very much determined by how much Govt. funding each authority qualifies for and in recent years thats been heading North, putting an extra burden on the South, which actually contains some of the most deprived areas in the UK.

A friend of mine runs a recruitment agency for the motor trade, a trade which has been inundated with low skilled, low paid, Polish labour, (not an anti immigrant rant), recently a company re-negotiating the contract, suggested that they cut their rates to him and he pays English workers the same rate as the Polish. It didn't happen... yet.

As a self employed contracter I have zero employment rights and zero representation, and I've been on the recieving end of Taxexile's 'tough love' many times in the past, getting contracts cut short, being replaced by cheap labour and being stiffed for money owed. I'd like some basic rights, but most of the jokers here would think that would be the beginning of a Communist revolution.

I agree that Britain needed modernisation at the end of the '70s but it was taken beyond reasonable measures to the excesses of greed which we are now paying the consequences for.

, 9 years ago when I worked within a closed trade union shop my last P60 had £62.000 on it , now all the terrible trade unions have been stamped out by the middle class twats , who didnt like having the likes of us mere mortals shopping in Waitrose and joining them in business class flights of fancy this years P 60 will have a massive £25.000 on it ,, and that for working more hours ..

its called market forces. and we have all had to get used to them, even those (^^) who still talk about a class war and stubbornly refuse to accept the reality that once poor countries want their slice of the cake and will use cut throat competitiveness to get it. and more power to them if it helps destroy the small minded union types who blame everything but their own slackness and stupidity for the problems they find themselves in.

if the vietnamese can make a sprodget for 20p then what is the point of a british company making that same sprodget if they have to charge 50p for it, due to higher labour costs, they cant pay the wages you would like because they would have no purchasers , the business would have no turnover and you would be out of your job, but of course the trade unions with the heads up their arses and their envy driven class war to fight couldnt and wouldnt see that, hence so many uk companies couldnt reduce their costs and went under.

western countries, with their idealistic and unworkable labour laws may just have to take a few steps backwards before they can ever move forward again and workers .... at all levels .... may just have to accept less in order to keep their jobs and keep their businesses open.

A friend of mine runs a recruitment agency for the motor trade, a trade which has been inundated with low skilled, low paid, Polish labour, (not an anti immigrant rant), recently a company re-negotiating the contract, suggested that they cut their rates to him and he pays English workers the same rate as the Polish. It didn't happen... yet.

any business man would be a fool to pay someone uk rates if they can get the same job done for "polish" rates. and from what ive heard the poles work a whole lot better than the "i know my workplace and benefit entitlement rights" brit.

Let's get rid of the hoardes of immigrants that Labour welcomes with loving arms, for a start.

Originally Posted by Bower

The same old crap from the Conservatives,they cannot reduce the minimum benifits by EU law, there would be no savings just an even bigger army of civil servants.

We dont manufacture anything we dont need unskilled workers we have imported enough. Lets have some technical colleges back, how about non-combative national service?



What we need is a change in attitude and some selfworth.

Originally Posted by taxexile

if the vietnamese can make a sprodget for 20p then what is the point of a british company making that same sprodget if they have to charge 50p for it, due to higher labour costs, they cant pay the wages you would like because they would have no purchasers , the business would have no turnover and you would be out of your job, but of course the trade unions with the heads up their arses and their envy driven class war to fight couldnt and wouldnt see that, hence so many uk companies couldnt reduce their costs and went under.

Both sides are wrong. Going head to head with countries like vietnam and china, india etc is a no win situation. Either figure out how to make 3 sprodgets for that 50p, or make a super sprodget that people want to pay 50p for.

Technology and innovation are the way to go - and, pretty much in a nut shell where Uk fucked up.

The aim in the 60s or so to dramatically expand education, with an aim to getting a significant portion of the population to have a university education was a good idea - but totally fucked up in implimentation.

Producing tens of thousands of graduates in micky mouse degrees (History of french knitting in the 17 century) ain't going to do nothing for anyone - except maybe McDonalds staff. Every polytechnic now a "university", as well as many technical colleges. Apprentiships scrapped. For fuck sake.

Go down to Singapore ( a country with no natural resources), and look at the grads they turn out down there: Science, engineering, computers, IT, biotechnology you name it.

Either Uk wises up soon, or they may as well just leave it to the Poles.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Technology and innovation are the way to go - and, pretty much in a nut shell where Uk fucked up.

Not really. The UK still produces world beaters, but the sad fact is that the UK isn't prepared to invest in ideas. That's why most bright-sparks end up in the US, where they are prepared to invest in ideas and technology.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Technology and innovation are the way to go - and, pretty much in a nut shell where Uk fucked up.

Not really. The UK still produces world beaters, but the sad fact is that the UK isn't prepared to invest in ideas. That's why most bright-sparks end up in the US, where they are prepared to invest in ideas and technology.

Sorry, you are correct - the other side is the investment - again, where Uk manages to fuck up.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Technology and innovation are the way to go - and, pretty much in a nut shell where Uk fucked up.

Not really. The UK still produces world beaters, but the sad fact is that the UK isn't prepared to invest in ideas. That's why most bright-sparks end up in the US, where they are prepared to invest in ideas and technology.

Agreed. The UK can produce them, but unfortunately can't keep hold of them due to lack of funding, investment and competitive salaries.

Originally Posted by kmart

Agreed. The UK can produce them, but unfortunately can't keep hold of them due to lack of funding, investment and competitive salaries.

I agree with the comments on investment etc - but think the "Uk can produce them" is harking back too much to the old "glory days" - it CAN produce them, but by and large does not (any more). Yes, the odd bright spark buggers off, but I am talking more about a a lack of depth in technology and industry from the bottom up.

As a country we NEED to produce engineers and developers at all levels, not more experts on Croatian poetry.

About time...

WORK, ASSHOLES!

I have no pity for these worthless bastards, people that scam pretending to be "disabled" should be sent on a one-way trip to Haiti and learn to work for survival.

Originally Posted by taxexile

A friend of mine runs a recruitment agency for the motor trade, a trade which has been inundated with low skilled, low paid, Polish labour, (not an anti immigrant rant), recently a company re-negotiating the contract, suggested that they cut their rates to him and he pays English workers the same rate as the Polish. It didn't happen... yet.

any business man would be a fool to pay someone uk rates if they can get the same job done for "polish" rates. and from what ive heard the poles work a whole lot better than the "i know my workplace and benefit entitlement rights" brit.

See there you go again with your opinionated twaddle. You get what you pay for.
You want poor quality workmanship and the inherent cost of reworks? Pay an unskilled immigrant 60% of a native workers wage and get the job returned at 75% of the standard quality.
You want the job done to professional standards, and finished right the first time. Pay a skilled native worker a wage that will keep his standard of living, at minimum, above the rate of inflation, and give him security in his future that he can invest in long term goals for himself and his family and ulimately for the country itself.
It's not much to ask for is it? Or should we be feeling sorry for the bosses here..? It's ok don't bother answering you've already shown what a narrow minded and self centred cock you are, you don't have to keep proving it to me.

Originally Posted by taxexile

its called market forces

Interesting point ,,,,,,so lets follow that through to conclusion .

The Uk is now unfortunately part of the EU as is Poland and Lithuania for example ,, so if our middle class polatitions are so hell bent on applying the ( market force ) why is the houses of parliament not full of Lithuainians sitting in there making stupid noises , when they can be bothered to turn up ,, or not too pissed from the midday bar , being paid the minimum wage about £12.000 per year instead of the middle class hooray henry twats in there now feathering their own nests on over £100k per year ??????????

Sorry it just doesn,t stand up to your argument

Originally Posted by puppy

Let's get rid of the hoardes of immigrants that Labour welcomes with loving arms, for a start.

Welcome with loving arms ???????? WTF ??
If you have a Thai wife you obviously have never tried to get her into the UK to live here with you.

It costs thousands of dollars to apply for a UK work permit (3 years) the fee is non refundable wether the request is approved or denied.

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Originally Posted by puppy

Let's get rid of the hoardes of immigrants that Labour welcomes with loving arms, for a start.

Welcome with loving arms ???????? WTF ??
If you have a Thai wife you obviously have never tried to get her into the UK to live here with you.

Originally Posted by Another Farang

It costs thousands of dollars to apply for a UK work permit (3 years) the fee is non refundable wether the request is approved or denied.

I think he`s referring to the ones from within the Euro zone.