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How far back are you willing to go, in the early days of the CIA, Possibly, but in the last 40 years there has been none.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingwilly
If they were still doing the job that they should be doing then the Great Khomeini would have been killed in Paris and not allowed to return to Iran, Saddam Hussein would not lived to be convicted by a Iraq court and executed.
More's the pity, might have saved a lot of bloodshed if they'd been allowed to double-tap a few of those scumbags.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackgang
I think they may have attempted to assisinate Saddam Hussein in the past 20 years. At least planned it or held brainstorming sessions.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackgang
Over-all, you are correct, BG.
The British by the way have removed heads of state - Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh.
UK & US have been in bed together for a long time. Especially when it comes to oil.
I think Noron is ontrack...
As KJI has built NK pretty much on BS I don't think Natonal pride is likely to play a part in his drive to develop rocket power.
By all accounts, his health is in decline and he is still the biggest soak of Hennessy. And I don't think he has too many friends. A MAD response might be just what he is after....retribution for his foes while proving to his countrymen the West are Devils. I know many Asians who would rather kill than loose face...
There is only one nation in the world that has proved they are willing to nuke the masses so far.....[/quote]
and a fucking poor job they did of that. it needed three bombs at least. they should have kept going till the little shit emperor was down and out. up to now not one person has mentioned the rising power of japan, dont underestimate japans power and willingness to take it all on again. they still revere there kamakasies etc.
ive been rooting for you against the dumb arsed yanks on here but have to say there are no civilians in war, in my book that is, i hate the japs with a passion, and oh, i'm not to keen on yanks either, loud mothed pricks. of coarse thats a generalization.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kingwilly
Ha! You don't know nuffin boy.
Japan had to be made strong again to save Asia from the COMMIES and therefore the rest of the world.
no comment. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by beano
It seems NK did not get things quite right? Or did they?
NK says the satellite is in orbit, NORAD says it is in the Pacific.
The Associated Press: North Korea satellite in orbit or ocean?
Then again maybe there was no satellite on the missile to begin with?Quote:
North Korea satellite in orbit or ocean?
1 hour ago
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Orbit or ocean?
North Korea claims the rocket it sent up Sunday put an experimental communications satellite into space and that it is transmitting data and patriotic songs. The U.S. military says whatever left the launch pad ended up at the bottom of the sea.
North Korea has a history of hyperbole. In creating a cult of personality for its leader, Kim Jong Il, its media rewrote the story of his birth along biblical lines and once said that when he took up golf, he was firing holes-in-one with regularity.
The North's official Korean Central News Agency said the three-stage rocket "accurately" put a satellite into orbit nine minutes and two seconds after launch. It provided details on an elliptical orbit that it said was taking the satellite around the Earth every 104 minutes and 12 seconds.
"The satellite is transmitting the melodies of the immortal revolutionary paeans 'Song of Gen. Kim Il Sung' and 'Song of Gen. Kim Jong Il' as well as measurement data back to Earth," KCNA said, referring to the country's late founder and his son, the current leader.
"The carrier rocket and the satellite developed by the indigenous wisdom and technology are the shining results gained in the efforts to develop the nation's space science and technology on a higher level," it said.
But North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and U.S. Northern Command officials issued a statement disputing any success.
"Stage one of the missile fell into the Sea of Japan," the statement said. "The remaining stages along with the payload itself landed in the Pacific Ocean. No object entered orbit and no debris fell on Japan."
U.S., South Korean and Japanese officials — who monitored the launch from nearby warships and high-resolution spy satellite cameras — have said they suspect the North was really testing long-range ballistic missile technology that could be used to carry a nuclear warhead to Alaska or beyond.
NK: Satellite in Orbit After Successful Launch
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"So far, it is now confirmed whether it is a satellite or not," said an official who refused to be identified.
"Judging from the track the rocket made when North Korea fired, it was confirmed as the rocket to the space. But whether a satellite is actually loaded or not has not been confirmed," he said.
North Korea also announced that the rocket was successfully orbited when a long-range rocket was fired on Aug. 31, 1998, but there was no evidence that it successfully entered the orbit, he added.
Obama speaks, will the world listen?
President Obama Assails North Korea for 'Breaking the Rules'; Outlines Path to Nuclear Weapons-Free World - Political Punch
I wonder if Obama can use getting the Nuclear test treaty passed and future talks between the US and Russia on the reduction of nukes to help get China and Russia on board in regards to NK? and maybe Iran as well?Quote:
President Obama Assails North Korea for 'Breaking the Rules'; Outlines Path to Nuclear Weapons-Free World
April 05, 2009 5:34 AM
PRAGUE -- This morning outside the Prague Castle, speaking to tens of thousands of fAmerican- and Czech Republic-flag-waving Czechs, President Obama addressed North Korea's missile launch within the context of a larger address about aspiring towards a nuclear weapon-free world.
"Today, I state clearly and with conviction America’s commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons," he said. "This goal will not be reached quickly – perhaps not in my lifetime. It will take patience and persistence. But now we, too, must ignore the voices who tell us that the world cannot change."
The president directly addressed those who think it's likely too late to rid the world of these weapons -- that the proverbial genie is out of the bottle.
“Some argue that the spread of these weapons cannot be checked – that we are destined to live in a world where more nations and more people possess the ultimate tools of destruction," he said. "This fatalism is a deadly adversary. For if we believe that the spread of nuclear weapons is inevitable, then we are admitting to ourselves that the use of nuclear weapons is inevitable."
Standing by a statue of Dr. Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk , the founder and first President of Czechoslovakia., President Obama presented some new policy proposals to set the world down this path:
The president also repeated his support for the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty with a new sense of urgency, saying he would "immediately and aggressively pursue U.S. ratification" of the treaty. "After more than five decades of talks, it is time for the testing of nuclear weapons to finally be banned. “
- An international fuel bank "so that countries can access peaceful power without increasing the risks of proliferation";“
- A "new international effort to secure all vulnerable nuclear material around the world within four years";
- A Global Summit on Nuclear Security that will be hosted by the U.S. within the next year; and
- A new treaty to end the production of fissile materials intended for use state nuclear weapons.
"Just this morning, we were reminded of why we need a new and more rigorous approach to address this threat," the President said, accusing North Korea of of breaking the rules by violating United Nations resolutions.
"Rules must be binding," the president said. "Violations must be punished. Words must mean something. The world must stand together to prevent the spread of these weapons. Now is the time for a strong international response, and North Korea must know that the path to the security and respect will never come through threats and illegal weapons."
Even as he heralded the pending negotiations between the U.S. and Russia on further reducing the two countries' nuclear arsenals, the president also raised a sticky subject between the two -- the missile defense shield the U.S. government has discussed building in Poland and the Czech Republic, which Russian leaders have said is provocative.
President Obama has suggested to Russian President Medvedev that if Russia helped ssuccessfully top Iran's nuclear weapons program, there would be no need for such a defense shield, though White House officials insist the discussion was not made as a quid pro quo.
Today president Obama said that since "Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran's neighbors and our allies," the U.S. "intend(s) to go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven. If the Iranian threat is eliminated, we will have a stronger basis for security, and the driving force for missile defense construction in Europe at this time will be removed."
North Korea, yet another communist shithole that needs nuclear cleansing.
Another septic-basher. "Lob" should be spelt "Yob".Quote:
Originally Posted by lobive been rooting for you against the dumb arsed yanks on here but have to say there are no civilians in war, in my book that is, i hate the japs with a passion, and oh, i'm not to keen on yanks either, loud mothed pricks. of coarse thats a generalization.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kingwilly
it's really a war of propaganda between the US and NK, you really can't believe any of them
anyway, NK is winning so far
double post
Even if NK did get a satellite into orbit (they didn't) what have they accomplished?
Well done, boys. Make Butterfly proud! :)Quote:
transmitting the melodies of the immortal revolutionary paeans 'Song of Gen. Kim Il Sung' and 'Song of Gen. Kim Jong Il'
^ I bet the US has done something similar in the past ;)
What gives the corporate owned US Government, or anyone else the right to tell North Korea they can't launch a rocket or develop nuclear technology. After what America did to Iraq, who can blame North Korea or Iran for wanting nukes.
BullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by blackgang
Do a Jet and 'Google' it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackgang
Irrelevant. You can't hypothesise a situation to justify an act in this regardQuote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2009/04/144.jpg Look at me, I'm gonna launch a rocket whilst spanking my monkey.
Mad as a hatter, wouldn't you all agree.
What the US alone thinks isn't very important.
What a host of world governments, along with the UN, thinks, is.
Just because global major news networks are in love with BO and have covered his first bowel movement, his first booger and his first presidential hangnail, doesn't mean he's the only one that counts. That lady from Great Kingdom, Lizzy something or other, and the Franch village shaman, Nicholas the I, and the leader of Deutchland Humpty Dumpty all made noises too. And don't forget L.G. Samsung, the leader of South Korea and that short black-haired fella from Nippon.
Yeah -- see, it ain't just Barry.
What in the fuck do they want space tech. for anyway, that shit costa mucho and they can't feed the people let alone get into it with the big boys.
anyone can see that it is just rocket and missle tech that they are going for and very thinly veiled as space tech.. shit all he is doing is trying to make someone think he has the tech and means to do damage to another country so we will feed and cloth his vast human war machine.
That can only go ion sucessfully for so long and it has been to damn long now, .
Jools is correct, that country need a nuke cleansing bath.
I'm tired of politics. Kim would deserve a certain amount of respect if he (or someone for once) just came out and said "The UN can kiss my ass if they don't like it!"
Just some tin pot dufus sabre rattling, probably got a bad case of SmS zipperhead.
On Friday, the USAF successfully launched an Atlas V rocket carrying a Wideband Global Communication satellite from Cape Canaveral.
I doubt it will be broadcasting Brittney Spears Greatest Hits down to planet earth. :rolleyes:
We live in hope . . . if it does, can we sue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Texpat