Thread: NKorea vows to attack Japan if rocket intercepted

Are you saying that's teh criteria? If a country can feed all its people and does not execute them then they can test missles? Means Iran is at least half way there.

But USA kills their own people. USA cannot feed their own people, cannot even house them.

shouldn't be testing weapons either then

Originally Posted by Mid

shouldn't be testing weapons either then

I like your consistency.

But should the US then be the one to tell NK what they can or cannot do?

Originally Posted by kingwilly

but looking at it from a different perspective,

Why shouldn't North Korea be allowed to test a rocket? The US is allowed to test their own.

And last time NK tested a nuclear weapon the world was surprised, this time they have politely warned the whole world what they are doing.....

seems like the west wants it both ways....

don't surprise us, now you'll told us what you are doing we want you to stop...

Didn't someone fill you in Willy? The Yanks are the 'good guys', historically benign and benevolent

Originally Posted by kingwilly

But should the US then be the one to tell NK what they can or cannot do?

Do you know that when you start posting on threads like this that it makes you sound very dense?

Originally Posted by Happyman

If - and this is only a thought - it is a genuine satellite launch vehicle test- and if - it fails in flight -and if- the trajectory of the failed missile shows an impact within Japan - and if - the Japanese shot it down over the sea (even over international waters) as they have said they would (justifiable IMO) - what would the " Dear Leader"do - declare war on the world like he said he would ????

I think the proabablity of the above is fairly slim - but could happen, and is probably the biggest fear of the world not directly affected by what is going on.

I think most nations would agree that when anything ends up raining down on your country that you have the right to try and shoot it down - well except maybe for NK if they are the one's causing the raining down to happen.

But both sides have been playing word games on the issue. Japan has been pretty clear that they only intend to try and shot anything down is if something like what you have outlined is to occur. While everything I have read about NK's comments are peppered with words like "unprovoked" or comments like in the OP "if Tokyo tries to shoot down a satellite". If the thing cracks up and is on its way back down then they would not be shooting down a statellite, they would be shooting junk out of the sky.

Another interesting, and potential conflict inducing outcome is what if parts of what is launched ends up in international waters, and Japan, the US, or one of their allies recovers what ever ends up in international waters? Now this outcome might seem less likely to lead to any kind of phyical confrontation. But I'd think that recovery of any bits and bobs that were out there would take a bit of time, and give NK ships time to arrive on location - and that could lead to some form of physical confrontation between the troops on site.

Regarding the US's sabre rattling. Expect any action only to be talk and chastizing. Historically, as you all might know, America only actually picks a fight with lower caste and situations they seemingly appear to have a handle on, even if they generally do underestimate their opponents. Never expect the Yanks to see such military activity in Asia. 1} They've learned their lessons. 2} They'd have to contend with the Chinese....they don't want that.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by kingwilly

But should the US then be the one to tell NK what they can or cannot do?

Do you know that when you start posting on threads like this that it makes you sound very dense?

You must have joined the party sometime ago then, yes?

Originally Posted by TSR2

Originally Posted by kingwilly

so was George W Bush.

True but he can be /was replced, not so Kim

The difference is NK'n people know they live in a dictatorship, the US and UK just have theirs behind closed doors.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by kingwilly

but looking at it from a different perspective,

Why shouldn't North Korea be allowed to test a rocket? The US is allowed to test their own.

And last time NK tested a nuclear weapon the world was surprised, this time they have politely warned the whole world what they are doing.....

seems like the west wants it both ways....

don't surprise us, now you'll told us what you are doing we want you to stop...

Didn't someone fill you in Willy? The Yanks are the 'good guys', historically benign and benevolent

ooooh wooops, I did hear that.,

forgot.

sorry.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Mid

shouldn't be testing weapons either then

I like your consistency.

But should the US then be the one to tell NK what they can or cannot do?

I guess that all depends on if you feel the UN, or the UN security council is worth having around. There is a UN security council resolution, and when this thing launches at the very least there will be debate within the security council as to IF NK violated the terms of that resolution.

Japan is working hard to draft sanctions against NK if the launch takes place, and the US (including the UK), and France, have all indicated they would support such actions.

Right now the security council includes:
China, Russia, USA/UK, France - and: Austria, Japan, Mexico, Turkey, and Uganda

I would say the only stumbling blocks will be China and Russia - and maybe Uganda (but only to go along with China and Russia).

Japan to Seek UN Response to North Korean Missile (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

April 2 (Bloomberg) -- Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso said he will seek a United Nations Security Council condemnation of North Korea if the nation goes ahead with a test missile- launch this weekend.

Japan will seek a “clear and firm” UN response to another missile launch, Japan’s UN envoy said. The U.S. and France supported that position in a closed meeting of the Security Council today, Japanese Ambassador Yukio Takasu told reporters in New York.

Looks like Japan also sees Russia and China as the keys to passing something in the security council.

Aso said he was working with Russia’s leader and President Barack Obama about the issue and U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who hosted today’s talks. He is also scheduled to meet with Chinese President Hu Jintao to discuss the launch.

Looks like the debate in the security council will be based upon if the launch vehicle is a ballistic missile or not. So it might be best if at least some of it does land in Japan (or close enough for Japan to recover it) so the UN can confirm if indeed it is a ballistic missile or not.

Zhang Yesui, China’s ambassador to the UN, said his government wants to “wait and see” what type of rocket North Korea might launch before deciding whether to support Security Council action.

Originally Posted by Bugs

I guess that all depends on if you feel the UN, or the UN security council is worth having around.

UN or US?

Originally Posted by Bugs

Japan is working hard to draft sanctions against NK if the launch takes place, and the US (including the UK), and France, have all indicated they would support such actions. Right now the security council includes: China, Russia, USA/UK, France - and: Austria, Japan, Mexico, Turkey, and Uganda

and what do China and Russia feel ?

But should the US then be the one to tell NK what they can or cannot do?

don't know , but it ain't a job I can do ..........................

Originally Posted by Bugs

China and Russia are always reluctant to pass new or additional sanctions, or to lengthen the time old sanctions are to be imposed. And generally they always wait until the last possible minute to swing in favor.

I think you are talking about France now, China and Russia will actively oppose US/Western meddling in North Asia.

make no mistake.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Bugs

China and Russia are always reluctant to pass new or additional sanctions, or to lengthen the time old sanctions are to be imposed. And generally they always wait until the last possible minute to swing in favor.

I think you are talking about France now, China and Russia will actively oppose US/Western meddling in North Asia.

make no mistake.

I guess that's why France has already said they support what Japan is suggesting, and that China and Russia supported the last set of sanctions?

Or maybe now France is the one making the mistake, and in '06 it was Russia and China that were making the mistake?


And if it is a UN resolution why would it have to be seen as US/Western meddling - especially if the resolution is proposed by Japan?

Granted in many cases Japan - much like the UK, is little more than a US lapdog. But still it is likely that Japan will be the ones proposing the sanction. The US/UK and France have simply said they will support Japan on the issue.

Originally Posted by Bugs

UN, it is the UN security counsel that passed the resolution.

Look at all the sanctions that they have passed in the last 15 years that no one pays a damn bit of attention to, they have about as much control over what is going on as as Obama does, no infact they have less control over world politics and policys than the PM of Thailand does and he can't even control his own people.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by Bugs

UN, it is the UN security counsel that passed the resolution.

Look at all the sanctions that they have passed in the last 15 years that no one pays a damn bit of attention to, they have about as much control over what is going on as as Obama does, no infact they have less control over world politics and policys than the PM of Thailand does and he can't even control his own people.

bet you just wish George Dubbya was back in power, dontcha? he never worried about pesky little things like world opinion or the UN mandate, did he?

Originally Posted by kingwilly

but looking at it from a different perspective,

Why shouldn't North Korea be allowed to test a rocket? The US is allowed to test their own.

And last time NK tested a nuclear weapon the world was surprised, this time they have politely warned the whole world what they are doing.....

seems like the west wants it both ways....

don't surprise us, now you'll told us what you are doing we want you to stop...

NK signed an international agreement, I believe. It's in the article that PB posted.

Originally Posted by Milkman

NK signed an international agreement, I believe.

and aint they adhering to the agreement?

Notifying in advance.

Satellite launch, not missile testing?

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Milkman

NK signed an international agreement, I believe.

and aint they adhering to the agreement?

Notifying in advance.

Satellite launch, not missile testing?

And what are they using to launch the satellite? Certainly not a donkey - it's a farkn' missile.

Using the excuse of launching a satellite does nothing more than try and circumvent the letter of the document - but does nothing to change the intent of the document.

can't NK have the right to defend itself ? gotta love those double standard,

^ you sir, are not qualified to discuss the topic of defending yourself.