Thread: Australian 'throws girl to death'

Originally Posted by Lily

^The same place as my man hating thread, I suppose. Show me my man hating thread and I will show you my women hating thread and then go an fuck yourself!

I have finished fucking myself now (thanks for the suggestion!) so now I will return to your accusation that TD is just brimming with woman-hating threads. After a cursory search I could not find one.

Please help out a fellow member and provide a link to this troublesome thread.

Originally Posted by Texpat

"That is way, way out of line. Cant you debate a point without bringing vile, personal insults into the fray? It does not help your argument one little bit!"

It wasn't an insult, it was a directive.

Ahhh, I see.

Originally Posted by Nawty

Are you really 70yo Lily ??

Smeg has said that I am and we know he never lies, so I must be.

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

Originally Posted by phuketbound

Grow some empathy. Insensitive little prick.

Phuketbound, I'm not insensitive at all - perhaps I'm just used to hearing the doom and gloom from the west but that doesn't make it any less tragic. You can't condemn me for not imploding with grief, I didn't know the girl from a bar of soap and I'm not going to do myself any favors by getting emotionally involved in these horrible stories.

I have already made it clear that I think it's a sad story all round and for all involved, okay I may have come across a little cold and been misread regarding one of my comments and what I meant was that in the fathers horribly messed up mind he maybe wanted to spare the girl the pain he was experiencing through life on earth. That's about as selfish as it gets don't you agree? See, we are on the same page after all - now watch out for KW, he's well known for stalking new female members like a soi dog on heat.

Now take my hand and lets get out of this depressing place, come on PB - and you Lily... Let's go somewhere KW can't find us and discuss British comedy or heartwarming stories of heroism.

I'm not going anywhere with you.

Interesting thread.

Have to say, though...as callous as it sounds, it all depend on the degree to which you choose to empathise with a situation...

Within moments of the article breaking in my workplace (in Australia), the black humour was already starting. "Maybe she was playing up in the back seat and had already had her warning." or "Well, he might have lost a daughter, but he'll the best behaved sons for life!"

Disgraceful? Of Course, if you hold even the most miniminal of degree of empathy.

But as GS says, horrible things happen every day.

Jokes abound minutes after every tragedy, particularly with the internet.

Most people would agree this situation was tragic. More so if you have kids yourself, particularly of the same age. But even without such a direct connection, anyone who truly tried to empathise with all involved would be horrified.

But I also agree there seems a tendancy towards increased empathy in Western situations with which we can relate.

But is this tragedy any worse than the four year olds dying of cholera in Zimbawe? Of misdirected bombings in Afghanistan? Of Isreali actions in Gaza (or Palestinian)?

But you can't empathise with every tragedy. You'll go mad trying...



Nor should one condemn another too much for failing to display the same level of horror at an event that one chose to particularly empathise with.

^ Blah, blah, go suck a monkey.

Okay so do you empathise or not?

Originally Posted by phuketbound

^ Blah, blah, go suck a monkey.

Okay so do you empathise or not?

Of course I can empathise.

But I can empathise (to a greater or lesser degree) to any situation of human suffering if I set my mind to it, or if it is thrust in my face.

Take the Hudson plane. New coverage in Australia (via US) went on for 5 - 10 minutes about how horrible it must have been for the pasengers..."One can only imagine how terrible it must have been. The noise of screams. The cabin full of smoke. Disorientation. Not sure if they were about to die..." The commentators painted a VERY specific picture, aided by the fact that the distress of the passengers was something with which viewers (as plane travellers) could empathise.

And it worked. But bloody hell...they ALL SURVIVED!!

Maybe if they also ran a news article that morning that went something like "One can only imagine how terrible it must have been. The noise of the sreams of her dying children. The house full of smoke. Seeing her family die around her as she was unable to provide any assitance to her own children as they lay dying in agony, dismembered..." when the tanks shelled Gaza, the audience would be more likely to empathise with that tragedy.

What happened to this girl in Melbourne was defintely a tragedy. A horrible thing.

But as I said...there are tragedies everywhere everyday...not everyone is going to express the same level of horror/disgust/dispair to them all.

Righto, I agree. I think you made a great point. A lot of how the media portrays an incident has an effect on the consumers empathy or intensity of empathy. Also, reading something on the net, may have a different impact on someone than reading it in your own countries newspaper.

I'd imagine that if you actually knew the family in question your empathy would be even greater still.

Originally Posted by English Noodles

^What kind of accent does that presenter have? It's terrible.

I think what your hearing and not used to, is referred to as proper English and mostly comes with no accent as she has presented it with.. it's far to clear and understandable for you..like refreshing spring water...instead of all muddied up like sewer water...

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

now watch out for KW, he's well known for stalking new female members like a soi dog on heat.

Holy shit! Really?

What a shame that I am not a new female member!

Missed out again

Originally Posted by Nawty

You have quite a mouth on you for a 70yo then.

Yep, I do, for a seventy year old, that is

And a squirter...or do you just know of the mechanics of it.

Have you ever squirted Lily ?

Originally Posted by Torbek

But is this tragedy any worse than the four year olds dying of cholera in Zimbawe? Of misdirected bombings in Afghanistan? Of Isreali actions in Gaza (or Palestinian)?

But Torbers, the difference here is that it was the girls own father who was responsible for it. One of the only two people in the world whom she deserved protection from. Not any less sad than the Palestinian woman who couldn't protect her children, but certainly far more difficult to understand and therefore more horrifying to most people.

Originally Posted by Lily

and therefore more horrifying to most people.

...and therefore more horrifying to (white middle class) people.

In the big picture people are rather horrifying full stop wouldn't you say?

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

Originally Posted by Lily

and therefore more horrifying to most people.

...and therefore more horrifying to (white middle class) people.

Why is it more horrifying to white middle class people?

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by Torbek

But is this tragedy any worse than the four year olds dying of cholera in Zimbawe? Of misdirected bombings in Afghanistan? Of Isreali actions in Gaza (or Palestinian)?

But Torbers, the difference here is that it was the girls own father who was responsible for it. One of the only two people in the world whom she deserved protection from. Not any less sad than the Palestinian woman who couldn't protect her children, but certainly far more difficult to understand and therefore more horrifying to most people.

Not sure. I've been redded because "you cannot compare", but I wasn't comparing the event. I was comparing the reaction of outsiders to the event.

Many posters here are horrified by this event. I am not saying it is not horrible.

But killing of children by their parents seems to occur somewhere in the world every day. Didn't a guy in the US kill his his wife and five kids last week because he lost his job?

That's not saying one should become immune to it. Just that one doesn't have to be horrified by any incident particularly more than another.

And many find it difficult to understand?

Well, I find it difficult to understand why we allow the tragedy of "...four year olds dying of cholera in Zimbawe? Of misdirected bombings in Afghanistan? Of Isreali actions in Gaza (or Palestinian)?"

I suppose my point was we as westerners might be more horrified with this situation because of our incresaed ability to empathise with a family in Melbourne than a family in Gaza.

I think that is a tragedy.

If the media made more effort to engender empathy with the events I am talking of, perhaps more westerners would find them horrifying, and we might at last get on some sort of path toward addressinjg them...

Because all these events are tragic. And more could be done to stop all.

Originally Posted by Lily

Holy shit! Really? What a shame that I am not a new female member! Missed out again

depending if you beleive scampy or not.

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

...and therefore more horrifying to (white middle class) people.

aint you white and middle class and painfully suburban trying to be pretend to be oh so socially aware ?

You remind me of Rick from the Young Ones.

Go and write a poem Peoples Poet.

kingwilly

Originally Posted by Torbek

I think that is a tragedy. If the media made more effort to engender empathy with the events I am talking of, perhaps more westerners would find them horrifying, and we might at last get on some sort of path toward addressinjg them... Because all these events are tragic. And more could be done to stop all.

Don't you think that adding empathy to a media article, is making it even more subjective then it already is. I can't see how adding empathy into an article would change the tragedy. Because people will react differently to an article, as Scampy suggested, then why put that empathy spin on it?

Originally Posted by bkkmadness

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

Originally Posted by Lily

and therefore more horrifying to most people.

...and therefore more horrifying to (white middle class) people.

Why is it more horrifying to white middle class people?

Because we're wrapped up in cotton wool, put in front of a television and spoon fed... We'd get upset if we saw a chicken in Sainsbury's with it's head still attached.

Originally Posted by traveler

How sad . This man should have been taken care of as soon as he came down with the symptoms. Unbelievable! Personally, I blame his family. The reason is because they should have seen signs leading up to this, unless he had the episode the very moment he threw the girl! These kind of stories really jerk my chain!

Careful what you say, you'll be thrown to the wolves for condoning the fathers actions but I know where you're coming from.

Originally Posted by Torbek

Because all these events are tragic. And more could be done to stop all.

You can't stop events like this from happening, society can do it's best to prevent tragic shit like this happening providing it is realistic and not arrogant enough to be of the belief that we are above animals and therefore we can someday put an end to murder and crime... Then we can get to work on earthquake prevention.

Originally Posted by Knobcheese

aint you white and middle class and painfully suburban trying to be pretend to be oh so socially aware ?

You remind me of Rick from the Young Ones.

Go and write a poem Peoples Poet.

Okay here's a poem for you,

I was born inside the circle - born with savvy and verve

Does that mean I'm unable to step out and observe?

You stand inside your hoop and put your head in the sand,

KW that's why sadly you will never be banned,

'Cause I'm a unique thinker - not afraid to be blunt,

You read your Daily Mail then you call me a wanker

We're far to quick to make a stand and shout our disdain

- choose to turn away from reason and the pic of fathers pain.

That okay Knobcheese? ..And how come you remember The Young Ones? You should have been in bed by then. Actually you remind me of Rick - "Hands up who likes me!".

Originally Posted by phuketbound

Don't you think that adding empathy to a media article, is making it even more subjective then it already is. I can't see how adding empathy into an article would change the tragedy. Because people will react differently to an article, as Scampy suggested, then why put that empathy spin on it?

I take my hat off to you PB, maybe you do see my point after all.

Originally Posted by Torbek

I suppose my point was we as westerners might be more horrified with this situation because of our incresaed ability to empathise with a family in Melbourne than a family in Gaza. I think that is a tragedy. If the media made more effort to engender empathy with the events I am talking of, perhaps more westerners would find them horrifying, and we might at last get on some sort of path toward addressinjg them... Because all these events are tragic. And more could be done to stop all.

I think that is just human nature; you identify with people like you.

The attention that this incident has garnered is just the way of the media. It is unusual. The fact that so many other little children are dying, the world over is equally horrific and I don't know many people who don't think that, but all the awareness in the world didn't save that little girl and cannot save those other little children.

Originally Posted by NOtThe Gentleman Scamp

Don't you think that adding empathy to a media article, is making it even more subjective then it already is.

I am not sure that there was a great deal of empathy (for whom?) in the original article it was more that there was a lack of empathy and some blame gaming from some of the posters who read it.

Lily - don't make things complicated.