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I didn't know that. Bring back the Hughs or De Havilland names then.

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

I have heard they have a bit of an 'old boys club' mentality.

You watched this too?

Originally Posted by Backspin

I didn't know that. Bring back the Hughs or De Havilland names then.

You don’t need the opening sentence. Everyone knows that you only post dumb shit anyway.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Boeing should be broken up into 2 different companies. Bring back the Douglas name

Skiddy goes out on a limb.....

Originally Posted by Troy

McDonnel Douglas is everything that is wrong with the current Boeing.

Gets called on it by a poster who knows something about aviation.

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

Originally Posted by Troy
McDonnel Douglas is everything that is wrong with the current Boeing.
I have heard they have a bit of an 'old boys club' mentality.

Again is challenged.

Originally Posted by Backspin

I didn't know that. Bring back the Hughs or De Havilland names then.

Skiddy descends into absolute idiocy, as is his norm..... Go back to your room skiddy, let the big boys play...

Yes, fuck off skiddy, your witless background noise adds nothing to any thread.

Fire on Airbus A319-115 Injures 36 Passengers in China


An Airbus A319-115 passenger bus veered off the runway during takeoff and caught fire in the Tibet region of China Thursday. The crash sent black smoke billowing into the air and injured more than 36 passengers and aircrew.


The Airbus A319-115, with 122 people aboard, left Chongqing for Nyingchi, in the Tibetan region of China, after leaving the city of Chongqing in the southwestern part of the country.

In videos shared by state media, the aircraft’s left side appeared to be on fire as people headed away from the scene.


Tibet Airlines said that the videos also showed fire trucks spraying water on the Airbus A319. Tibet Airlines reported that the accident occurred at 8:09 a.m. (0109 GMT).


All 113 passengers and nine flight crew aboard the Airbus A319-115 jet were evacuated.


Passengers injured evacuation the Airbus A319.


According to the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC), 36 people were injured during the evacuation.


During the takeoff, the flight crew discovered an abnormality with the aircraft and stopped takeoff as required by procedure.


About two hours after the accident, the airport announced that flights had resumed and an investigation was underway. The CAAC said that one runway remained closed.

According to Wikipedia, as of June 2020, there have been 20 aviation accidents and incidents involving the Airbus A319, including three hull-loss accidents.


No fatal accidents have been recorded involving the A319 aircraft.


The A319 is a short-fuselage version of Airbus’ single-aisle A320 jetliner that proves versatile with a range of seating options, from a 110-seat configuration to a capacity of 160, all of which offer the highest level of passenger comfort.

VIDEO Fire On Airbus A319-115 Injures 36 Passengers In China

Well done the pilots.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Well done the pilots.

Yes, well done the pilots for not taking off in a plane that was obviously on fire.

^ are you blabbering again?

A fooking great bang coming from the engine gave them a hint there was something wrong.
Rejected takeoff is part of the take off brief and it's memory items.

The pilots lost control either due to mechanical failure, or due to error; we'll find out in the accident report.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ are you blabbering again?

Maybe this is why he relies on cut and paste so much.

How many Chines pilots would have followed a ‘big bang’ from the engine, with an exemplary take off? You utter fucking thoughtless moron. (Addressed to OhOh) You can read, but you can’t fly a commercial aircraft.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Which may or may not indicate your "big bang coming from the engine" being the:

Agreed, it may not have come from the engine, it may not even have been two explosions. It's possible the MLG collapsed during the take-off roll, in which case the pilots were just passengers during the episode. However, a MLG collapse during take-off is a very rare event, I can't actually recall an occurrence, which is why I went with engine.

Either way, during the take-off roll you don't have time to get the books out so you brief RTO before take-off and stick to the plan in the event it is required.

No need to enlarge words or put them in bold. Nor is it necessary to waffle.

Originally Posted by OhOh

"The aircraft left the runway and caught fire after the engine hit the ground.

So what are you saying hoohoo, "well done the pilots" for crashing the plane on take off?

Whooooo they'll have lost their no claims.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Thanks for one possibility.

MK's posted report, in words and via it's video, only shows a plane burning on the grass. It does report:



Do have a link supporting your opinion that the engine blew up prior to the plane leaving the runway, prior to the wing dropping, and prior to the engine falling off?

The Washington Post reports slightly more:

"The aircraft left the runway and caught fire after the engine hit the ground. Currently the fire has been put out,” the aviation authorities said in a statement.
One passenger, Long Anquan, told China News Service that during takeoff he heard an unusual noise, after which the plane started to lean to one side and hit the ground with its wing. Long quickly bent forward and put his hands over his head, but the impact was so strong that he was still injured."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...33f_story.html


The ABC report's better video shows the nose on the ground and no engine under the left wing.

https://www.xxx.xxx.xx/news/2022-05-...fire/101062794

Which suggests the "abnormality", occurred

1. prior to the plan leaving the runway,

2. prior to the wing dropping, - possibly caused by the pilots turning off the runway, IMHO a dubious thing to be done by the pilots, as opposed to staying on the runway.

3. prior to an undercarriage failure,

4. prior to the engine falling off

5. and only then did the engine burst into flames.


As opposed to you blaming the poster instead of offering an opinion:

I await the:



Which may or may not indicate your colective, "big bang coming from the engine", being the:

I agree that your assumptions and thought processes are alarmingly naive. You have based the causes (in your own damaged mind) on the damage being done after the pilots aborted the take off. If there was nothing wrong prior to that, why would they abort?
Your tiny brain didn’t think it through did it.
Sick Buffalo syndrome.

Originally Posted by Troy

MLG collapse during take-off is a very rare event

Generally, planes stay on the runway during take off. Although the area either side is normally well manicured.

Originally Posted by Switch

You have based the causes (in your own damaged mind) on the damage being done after the pilots aborted the take off. If there was nothing wrong prior to that, why would they abort?

The "damage" was the:

Originally Posted by OhOh

the discovery of the abnormality

Which is a strange, to me, phrase.

Everything else was after that.

The effect, on the up till then normal take-off was, reportedly:

Originally Posted by OhOh

during takeoff, he heard an unusual noise

the plane leaving the runway to its right, a wing dropping, an engine dropping off and at some stage, one or more fires. Followed by an evacuation.

What caused the abnormality and reported sequential five events, I will leave to qualified crash investigators to report.

As, reportedly, the crash happened in

Originally Posted by misskit

the Tibet region of China

Any blame attributed to THE LORD is unlikely.

^Thank fuck you are not an aircraft accident investigator.

China Eastern crash probe eyes intentional action - sources



WASHINGTON, May 17 (Reuters) - Investigators probing the crash of a China Eastern Airlines (600115.SS) jet are examining whether it was due to intentional action taken on the flight deck, with no evidence so far of a technical malfunction, two people briefed on the matter said.


The Wall Street Journal reported earlier Tuesday that flight data from one the Boeing 737-800's black boxes indicated that someone in the cockpit intentionally crashed the plane, citing people familiar with U.S. officials' preliminary assessment.

Boeing Co (BA.N), the maker of the jet, and the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) declined to comment and referred questions to Chinese regulators.


The Boeing 737-800, en route from Kunming to Guangzhou, crashed on March 21 in the mountains of Guangxi, after a sudden plunge from cruising altitude, killing all 123 passengers and nine crew members aboard.


It was mainland China's deadliest aviation disaster in 28 years.

MORE China Eastern crash probe eyes intentional action - sources | Reuters

Thai Airways Posts a 155% Increase in Revenue


THAI Airways International has posted a 155% increase in revenue and a narrower loss in the first quarter of this year, with liquidity surging to the highest point since the company filed for bankruptcy in 2020.


On Tuesday, the carrier announced its first-quarter revenue totaled 1.1 billion baht, up 155% from the same period last year.

An improvement in the airline’s performance is attributable to an increase in passenger and cargo traffic following the reopening of borders and the lifting of public health restrictions.


THAI Airways International and its subsidiaries posted a first-quarter loss of 3.2 billion baht, down from 8.9 billion baht a year ago. There was a loss of 1.49 baht per share, compared to a loss of 5.59 baht per share in the first quarter of last year.


The demand for international travel has increased significantly since the beginning of the year. Since the beginning of the month, Thailand’s entry rules have been relaxed, and Test & Go has been scrapped.


THAI also announced that it, and its subsidiary Thai Smile Airways, have increased or restored flight frequencies to many destinations.


Thai Airways booking


These include the Bangkok-London route returning to 14 flights per week from the current 11 weekly flights from May 29.


Bangkok-Frankfurt flights will also increase from 10 weekly flights to 14 weekly flights beginning June 25. The number of flights to India, Pakistan, and Asean will also increase.

The financially strapped Thai Airways has sold or is in the process of selling 45 aircraft, leaving it with just 58 aircraft, excluding three 777-300 extended range aircraft that it leased recently.

Thai Airways Posts A 155% Increase In Revenue

Murder-Suicides by Pilots Are Vexing Airlines as Deaths Mount

(Bloomberg) -- For decades, commercial airline travel has gotten progressively safer. But one cause of deaths has stubbornly persisted: pilots who intentionally crash in murder-suicides.

Preliminary evidence suggests the crash of a China Eastern Airlines Corp. jet in March may be the latest such tragedy, a person familiar with the investigation said. If confirmed, that would make it the fourth since 2013, bringing deaths in those crashes to 554.


So as aircraft become more reliable and pilots grow less susceptible to errors, fatalities caused by murder-suicides are becoming an increasingly large share of the total. While intentional acts traditionally aren’t included in air-crash statistics, they would be the second-largest category of deaths worldwide if they were, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. By comparison, 1,745 people died as a result of pilot error, mechanical failures or other causes on Western-built jets from 2012 through 2021.


“It’s scary,” said Malcolm Brenner, a former human-behavior investigator with the US National Transportation Safety Board who worked on the probe of the 1999 EgyptAir Flight 990 crash, which was found to be an intentional act. “It is a major cause of concern. It’s one the industry needs to address.”


So far, however, these rare but deadly acts have defied simple solutions. While improving mental-health care is a priority, those who have chosen to kill themselves and scores of others at the same time on jetliners mostly didn’t reveal any clues beforehand to coworkers, friends or family.


And because of the taboo nature of suicide, the cases create unique political and cultural challenges, at times leaving such events shrouded in mystery or open to dispute. The probe into Malaysia Airlines Flight 370’s disappearance over the Indian Ocean in 2014 found it was likely flown there on purpose, for example, but the Malaysian government’s report contains no information on who may have done so or why.


The risk of dying on an airliner has declined significantly in recent decades as a result of innovations in safety equipment, aircraft reliability and pilot training. After 5,005 people died on Western-built jets from 2001 through 2010, the total fell to 1,858 the next decade, according to data compiled by Boeing Co., AviationSafetyNetwork and accident reports. The odds of being on a plane involved in a fatal accident was about one in 10 million, according to Boeing.


But deaths attributed to pilot suicides bucked that trend, actually moving upward, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. If the China Eastern crash is confirmed as the latest such suicide, it will mean that deaths due to intentional acts have exceeded all other causes since the start of 2021.


So far, Chinese authorities have revealed few specifics about what led the China Eastern jet carrying 132 people to crash March 21. The flight, a Boeing 737-800 from Kunming to Guangzhou, was cruising at about 29,000 feet when it suddenly dove at high speed, according to Flightradar24 data. Surveillance videos show it hurtling nose-down toward the ground.




Government authorities and Boeing haven’t announced any potential safety issues with the plane since then, suggesting no systemic faults have been uncovered. Preliminary information from the jet’s crash-proof data recorder indicates that someone in the cockpit initiated the dive, said a person familiar with the probe who wasn’t authorized to speak about it. The likelihood the crash was intentional was earlier reported by the trade publication Leeham News and Analysis as well as the Wall Street Journal.


China’s embassy in Washington didn’t respond directly to questions about whether the crash was intentional. Investigators are conducting the probe “in a science-based, meticulous and orderly manner” and will release information “in a timely and accurate fashion,” the embassy said in an email.


As with any crash investigation, it can take months or years to conduct the tests and analysis needed to pinpoint a cause and rule out even the most remotely possible system failures.




In addition to the Malaysian plane lost with 239 people aboard, a Lam-Mozambique Airlines jet with 33 people went down in Namibia in 2013 after the captain locked the copilot out of the cockpit. In 2015, a Germanwings GmbH copilot also locked out the captain before slamming into the side of a mountain in France with 150 aboard.

Four other intentional crashes occurred on airlines around the world prior to 2013, killing another 389 people, according to AviationSafetyNetwork and accident reports. The incidents don’t include terrorist acts, such as the planes that crashed on Sept. 11, 2001.


After the Germanwings crash, which French investigators found was caused by a copilot suffering from mental-health problems, US and European aviation regulators expanded programs to give air crews access to more psychological treatment and encourage them to come forward without fear of losing their jobs.


Surveys of airline pilots have shown that about 4% to 8% have contemplated suicide, which is roughly the same rate as the population at large. Far fewer people actually attempt to carry it out -- and the handful of successful pilot murder-suicides on airliners is infinitesimally small by comparison.


Airline pilots must pass periodic medical exams to maintain their licenses and have been reluctant to report depression or other mental illness for fear of losing their livelihood, said Quay Snyder, a doctor specializing in aviation medicine who is co-leader of the US Aerospace Medical Association’s mental health working group. The association has joined with regulators, airlines and unions to create peer-to-peer counseling and other programs to allow pilots to receive treatment while retaining their licenses.


Safety Measures


But a panel advising the US Federal Aviation Administration in 2015 found there was “no convincing evidence” that screening for suicidal tendencies would prevent incidents such as Germanwings.


“It is quite difficult to predict who is going to commit a murder-suicide,” Snyder said.


Other possible ways to prevent pilot suicides run counter to long-standing safety or security measures.


The sophisticated locks on cockpit doors that allow pilots to keep out other crewmembers were put in place to prevent hijackings. French authorities recommended against changing the door designs in the wake of the Germanwings crash, saying changes could undermine security.


One idea -- adding automated limits on a pilot’s actions in the cockpit -- would require a dramatic shift in the philosophy of aviation safety.


“I’m a firm believer in the pilot who’s on the flight deck being the ultimate person or device in charge of the aircraft,” said Benjamin Berman, a former airline pilot who also worked as an accident investigator. “I don’t see technology supplanting that role. But that leaves the pilot in control, allowing him or her to do whatever they want.”


Multiple Pilots


Even the simple solution to always have at least two people in the cockpit, which was recommended by European regulators after Germanwings, is no guarantee that someone bent on bringing down a plane couldn’t do it. While details of what happened aboard the China Eastern jet remain unclear, it had three pilots in the cockpit -- a captain, copilot and trainee -- according to Chinese media reports.


For now, aviation groups are calling for expanding pilot access to mental-health treatments while acknowledging that routine psychological care might not make a difference in the extreme murder-suicide cases.


“It’s so rare,” said David Schroeder, a former FAA psychologist who along with Snyder leads the Aerospace Medical Association’s mental health efforts. “That’s the difficulty. How do you try to predict that? How do you intervene when almost all flights are not like that?”

MSN

A man fell to his death at Gatwick yesterday after disembarking a plane without a helper.

The tragic accident happened just before 1pm on Wednesday, when the passenger fell down an escalator in the busy North terminal. After waiting in vain for special assistance he had left the plane and tried to make his way through the airport alone.

An easyJet spokesperson confirmed the shocking incident.

"A number of our cabin crew provided medical assistance to a passenger at Gatwick Airport whilst waiting for paramedics to arrive, however the passenger sadly later passed away,” a spokesperson said.
"Our thoughts are with their family and friends at this difficult time."

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/06/17/passenger-dies-at-gatwick-airport-after-waiting-on-plane-for-assistance