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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakey View Post
    It's crazy that numerous A380s are being taken out of service that are barely a decade old when loads of planes produced in the early 90s, like this 777, are still in use.
    No it's not. The A380 isn't worth it if you can't fill it.

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    I don't expect a ten year old A380 costs more to run than a 27 year old 777.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakey View Post
    I don't expect a ten year old A380 costs more to run than a 27 year old 777.
    What you expect is irrelevant.
    The A380 is taken out of service because there is no economy in flying them.
    The 777 is still flying because they are under some circumstances still economical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    What you expect is irrelevant.
    The A380 is taken out of service because there is no economy in flying them.
    The 777 is still flying because they are under some circumstances still economical.
    or to state what should really be obvious:

    With limited data on the dual engine widebodies, it appears that the Boeing 767 costs around $9,130 per hour to operate, the 777 costs around $7,380 per hour, and the Airbus A330 costs around $7,900 per hour.

    More engines lead to higher prices.

    <snip>

    The Airbus A380, the largest passenger jet, costs between $26,000 and $29,000 per hour, using roughly $17,467 of fuel, approximately $40.19 to $44.82 per mile. The engines on these aircraft account for 5% of the operating expenses.
    Analysis of direct operating cost of wide-body passenger aircraft: A parametric study based on Hong Kong - ScienceDirect

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    Four engines are considered uneconomical nowadays. The reliability of engines has become so good and twin engined range so improved that 4 engines are not required for most routes.

    The a380 was a dead duck at the design stage and I was shocked it ever went into production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Four engines are considered uneconomical nowadays. The reliability of engines has become so good and twin engined range so improved that 4 engines are not required for most routes.

    The a380 was a dead duck at the design stage and I was shocked it ever went into production.
    If it hadn't been for Emirates it would probably have never been made.

    Airlines can now fly A32x's from the Gulf to London (and at least one has been doing exactly that).

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    Ouch.

    Heathrow Airport posted an eye-watering £2bn full-year loss and called on UK Chancellor Rishi Sunak to provide supportive measures for the sector in next week’s budget.
    The airport is asking the Chancellor to provide 100% business rates relief, extend the furlough scheme and reverse the tourist tax.
    UK reports over 18 million people have had first COVID vaccine shot | Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    and reverse the tourist tax.
    nothing like "tourist tax" to indicate you are visiting a third world country

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    Here's to a bit more anxiety before your next flight:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The reliability of engines has become so good and twin engined range so improved that 4 engines are not required for most routes.
    Unless they do not drop off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    The 777 is still flying because they are under some circumstances still economical.
    Not the models with those engines though

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    Will you be racking up another 60+ posts today, wakey?

    How about introducing yourself in the...err...'newbie' zone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakey View Post
    Not the models with those engines though
    So why was it flying with passengers then? Because they wanted to make a loss?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Will you be racking up another 60+ posts today, wakey?

    How about introducing yourself in the...err...'newbie' zone?
    Ssssssh he's busy trying out his new passive aggressive nick.

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    Boeing 777 makes emergency landing in Russia after engine issue

    Sputnik | Updated: 2019-11-06 15:45

    "Aircraft flight No 7571 Moscow - Punta Cana (Dominican Republic) made a safe landing at Sheremetyevo Airport and the plane had problems with an engine, a source told the Russian media. According to media reports, the pilots had to land the plane due to an oil leak, discovered in one of the aircraft's engines.

    A representative of the Russian emergency services said the oil pressure sensor in one of the engines went off shortly after takeoff. Preliminary data shows 488 people were on board the aircraft."

    Boeing 777 makes emergency landing in Russia after engine issue - World - Chinadaily.com.cn
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    2019-11-06 15:45
    News? No, Olds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    News? No, Olds!
    Awwww and HooHoo was really excited about the chinkies getting a scoop, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Unless they do not drop off...
    The chances of both engines on a twin, cleared for ETOPS, failing in cruise is estimated to be 1 in 4 trillion.

    ETOPS : Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    News? No, Olds!
    Oh dear. So many similar Boeing planes with problems.

    Boeing 777 makes an emergency landing in Moscow after engine sensor problem

    February 26, 2021 3:48 PMUpdated 2 hours ago

    "A Rossiya Airlines Boeing 777 cargo plane made an emergency landing at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport on Friday due to a problem with an engine control sensor, the airline said.The plane was a 15-year-old 777-300ER, according to flight tracking website FlightRadar24, which means it has General Electric engines.

    Those are different from the Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines under scrutiny after an engine fire aboard a United Airlines 777 on Saturday which prompted the suspension of operations involving planes using those engines.

    GE Aviation said it was aware of the event.

    “Safety is our first priority, and our technical support teams are working closely with the airline to quickly resolve the issue and return the aircraft to normal operations,” it said in a statement.

    Russian airlines operate Boeing 777-300ER planes equipped with General Electric GE90-115B engines, federal aviation agency Rosaviatsiya said on Wednesday, adding it was not considering suspending operation of those aircraft.

    Rossiya Airlines Flight 4520, travelling from Hong Kong to Madrid, touched down in Moscow at 0444 local time (0144 GMT), data from Flightradar24 showed.

    Rossiya Airlines, a unit of Russian state carrier Aeroflot, said the crew requested the landing at the airline’s base airport in Moscow.

    “The landing took place normally,” Rossiya said in a statement, adding that the flight would continue to Madrid after 0900 GMT on Friday."


    Boeing 777 makes emergency landing in Moscow after engine sensor problem | Reuters

    Boeing 777 makes an emergency landing in Moscow after engine sensor problem

    Boeing 777 with engine trouble makes emergency landing in Moscow | The Independent

    Boeing 777 Makes an Emergency Landing in Moscow After Engine Warning - The New York Times
    Last edited by OhOh; 26-02-2021 at 11:04 PM.

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    Does that strike anyone else as incomprehensible?


    Financially struggling Thai Airways International (THAI) announced a staggering net loss of 141 billion baht last year as the Covid-19 crisis plunged the carrier deeper into the red.
    THAI and its subsidiaries earned combined revenue of 48.3 billion baht with expenses totalling 96.4 billion baht between them.
    That resulted in an operating loss of 48.1 billion baht and translated into a net loss of 141.1 billion baht last year, said Chai Eamsiri, executive vice president of THAI's Finance and Accounting Department.
    The loss exceeded that of 2019 which amounted to 129.1 billion baht.
    Thai Airways loss soars to B141bn

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Does that strike anyone else as incomprehensible?




    Thai Airways loss soars to B141bn
    No, an operating loss is based on revenues and operating expenses and ignores loan repayments & interest which for an airline will be huge. For Thai it's almost 100 billion per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakey View Post
    No, an operating loss is based on revenues and operating expenses and ignores loan repayments & interest which for an airline will be huge. For Thai it's almost 100 billion per year.
    You forgot the skim.

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    555 yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Boeing 777 makes emergency landing in Russia after engine issue

    Sputnik | Updated: 2019-11-06 15:45

    "Aircraft flight No 7571 Moscow - Punta Cana (Dominican Republic) made a safe landing at Sheremetyevo Airport and the plane had problems with an engine, a source told the Russian media. According to media reports, the pilots had to land the plane due to an oil leak, discovered in one of the aircraft's engines.

    A representative of the Russian emergency services said the oil pressure sensor in one of the engines went off shortly after takeoff. Preliminary data shows 488 people were on board the aircraft."

    Boeing 777 makes emergency landing in Russia after engine issue - World - Chinadaily.com.cn
    A complete non event and not even an emergency, just over enthusiastic journalism.

    The Aviation Herald

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    ^ Two different events, OhOh's took place more than a year ago.

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