Airline News

**nigelandjan** · 21-12-2011, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

This is part of a the airlines SOP,S to make sure that the hydraulic system to the brakes is working.

No its not , it's to shake up the Martini's for those in business class

**thehighlander959** · 21-12-2011, 09:58 AM

^^

And to add to my last post the corruption and lying concerning flying hours and maintainence at One-Two-Crash.

I really have no idea why this airline is allowed to continue to operate. An absolute disgrace.

**Tom Sawyer** · 21-12-2011, 03:39 PM

^
I thought it was a Turkish pilot, not Indonesian.

**aging one** · 21-12-2011, 04:09 PM

Indonesian, and I dont think Bangkok airways uses any expat pilots.

**chassamui** · 21-12-2011, 04:09 PM

The Samui 2009 crash on landing, was certainly exacerbated by the weather. I was in a bungalow about 500m from the runway at the time of the crash and the crosswinds at the time were the worst i have ever known. The prevailing winds are westerlies and on this occasion, the high winds were from the north and very squally.

**thehighlander959** · 21-12-2011, 04:44 PM

In the early days when Bangkok Airways started to fly jet aircraft, they had a couple of expat pilots from Europe.I was reliably told.
I am told now all their pilots are Asian that could mean Indian,Thai, Korean, Indonesian etc. Anyway its not about a pilots country of birth its about his flight training and how well he flies an aeroplane that really counts.

In Thailand however its about how cheap you can get the pilot to operate, and will he fly over his hours and say nothing?

The Thai CAA have done nothing about these problems for years and it will not change while money is changing hands.

**aging one** · 21-12-2011, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

In the early days when Bangkok Airways started to fly jet aircraft, they had a couple of expat pilots from Europe

True indeed, but it was not the early days, they did not get any jets until 1997 when they got Airbus A 319's a year later they got some Boeing 717's, well two I think, and took delivery of a couple more this year. In the beginning on the Airbus they had some expat captains.

TG until 14 years ago still had a lot of Scandinavian pilots, but phased them out by offering huge pay cuts equal to the Thai pilots. Dont forget SAS helped TG get up and running as a full fledged airline.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-12-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

^
The One-two-crash as Harry states above is probably one of the most depressing air crash threads I have ever read.
Poor weather, low visibility, high winds, an Indonesian Captain who spent most of his time on the Flight Deck asleep. And a junior first officer not experienced enough to make the right decision on the flightdeck.
The choices that day were TOGA (to go around or divert to another airport)
Pilot flying did neither....

Well Wikipedia sums up the conclusions thus:

After completing the inspection of the aircraft, the NTSB found it to have functioned properly and to have remained fully controllable until impact The cause of the crash was found to be due to a combination of human performance and operational issues, including: Human Performance:

CRM issues, including attempted transfer of control of the aircraft at a critical moment
Failure of either pilot to apply power while attempting to regain altitude
Fatigue issues as both pilots had worked illegally excessive hours for the week and the month

Operational:

Lack of governance in the corporate culture at One-Two-GO airlines
Failure of One-Two-Go to complete pilot proficiency checks as required by law
Training on a simulator that did not include wind shear alerting and did not match the configuration of One-Two-GO’s MD-82s.

they pointed the aircraft up with the engines idle:

The pilots retracted the landing gear and set flaps for go-around. The aircraft pitch changed from 2 degrees to 12 degrees as the aircraft climbed, its engines still at idle. Airspeed fell and the aircraft climbed to a maximum altitude of 262 feet (80 m) ATL before beginning to descend. For 13 seconds the engines remained at idle. The aircraft pitch angle decreased to near 0 and then the throttle was manually increased two seconds before impact with an embankment along the runway at 15:40. The aircraft was severely damaged by a post crash fire.

88 people died because it caught fire when it crashed.

I'm down in Phuket next week, it will be interesting to see if what remains of the plane is still under a grey tarpaulin at the western end of the runway, where it remained for years.

**aging one** · 21-12-2011, 07:36 PM

Harry they still have at least 2 747's on the ground at Don Muang with the doors open trying to dry them out. I could not agree, morte probably the worst certified airline in the world.

**thehighlander959** · 21-12-2011, 08:20 PM

I don,t need to worry about them as an airline because under no circumstances would I or my family set foot on one of their aircraft.

And am beginning to get the feeling that Bangkok Airways might be possibly taking shortcuts in the safety department.. To tell the truth I am not particularly confident in any Thai Airlines as the national airline have also had their moments.

Although many years ago I flew on an Ilyushin-62 from Sheremetevo (Moscow) to LHR London. That was the first and last time that I ever flew with Aeroflot. When we reached cruising altitude which at that time was 31,000ft. all the oxygen masks in the cabin dropped from the ceiling. Talk about panic staions and then the Captain says nothing to worry about a circuit breaker had just popped in the cockpit causing the fault.
Not many happy passengers that day....

**harrybarracuda** · 22-12-2011, 04:17 PM

I once flew a Turkish Airlines 707 from Istanbul to Athens.

By the time we landed I understood why the pope kisses the tarmac every time he gets off the plane.

**Thaihome** · 22-12-2011, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I once flew a Turkish Airlines 707 from Istanbul to Athens.

By the time we landed I understood why the pope kisses the tarmac every time he gets off the plane.

Flew Turkish from Singapore to Bangkok in 2002. Was great filight. New plane, great service. Landed in in bkk in the middle of T'storm that shook ths shit out the plane but we touched down very smooth and was no problem.

When did you fly them?
TH

**harrybarracuda** · 22-12-2011, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I once flew a Turkish Airlines 707 from Istanbul to Athens.

By the time we landed I understood why the pope kisses the tarmac every time he gets off the plane.

Flew Turkish from Singapore to Bangkok in 2002. Was great filight. New plane, great service. Landed in in bkk in the middle of T'storm that shook ths shit out the plane but we touched down very smooth and was no problem.

When did you fly them?
TH

The fact it was a 707 ought to be a clue - the '80s.

I flew them in 2000 and they had shiny new aircraft and a nice new airport. Only time in my life I've left a 5,000,000 tip for a beer and a sandwich.

**harrybarracuda** · 23-12-2011, 03:23 PM

22 December 2011 Last updated at 14:51 GMT

India's Jet Airways fined for refusing alcohol to woman

Jet Airways: Fined for not serving female passenger an alcoholic drink

An Indian consumer court in Delhi has ordered Jet Airways to compensate a female passenger who was refused an alcoholic drink because of her gender.
The Indian airline must now pay 50,000 rupees ($925; £590) for not serving a drink to the passenger "only because she is a female".
The complaint was filed by a Canadian woman who was on a flight from Bangkok to Delhi with her family in 2009.
Jet Airways says it has not seen the order and cannot comment.
The complainant, Mrs Jennifer Robinson, works at the Canadian High Commission in Delhi had sought C$50,000 ($49,000; £31,000) in compensation. The court found that amount too high.
The court order says that when she asked for a "rum drink" she was told by a steward that she could not have an alcoholic drink because she was a woman.
In the order, Delhi District Consumer Forum President CK Chaturvedi said that the refusal was not only discriminatory but a deliberate insult in front of all the other passengers.
This caused "mental agony, humiliation, insult" to the passenger on her vacation, he said.
The court also directed the airline to give its staff etiquette training on how to behave with female passengers "without any discrimination whether Indian or foreign".
Jet Airways said: "We are yet to receive the copy of the order without which we are unable to respond."

**thehighlander959** · 23-12-2011, 05:17 PM

I have never flown Jet Airways or Kingfisher although have heard a lot about them from the Indian guys who work her in Doha with me.

Seems to be very up and down, some guys saying they are great and others go to piss poor...

I suppose if you are looking for a cheap flight to UK, then they,ll do the job very adquately. I am not sure that the curry smell from the Galley at 37000ft would float my boat.

Nah!!! I,ll stick to Emirates or Etihad.....

**harrybarracuda** · 23-12-2011, 05:25 PM

Gulf Air borrowed a JetStar 330 for a few months, a wet lease so included cabin crew, etc.

Their business class, IFE, food and service was infinitely better than even Gulf Air's first class offering. Which is probably why they gave them back at the end of the lease and abandoned First Class altogether.

I haven't sat in the back with the great unwashed though, I think dealing with their BO would be a significant problem.

**OhOh** · 23-12-2011, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I haven't sat in the back with the great unwashed though, I think dealing with their BO would be a significant problem.

The thought of turning right when you enter any companies air-planes is frightening.

**nostromo** · 23-12-2011, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

I don,t need to worry about them as an airline because under no circumstances would I or my family set foot on one of their aircraft.

And am beginning to get the feeling that Bangkok Airways might be possibly taking shortcuts in the safety department.. To tell the truth I am not particularly confident in any Thai Airlines as the national airline have also had their moments.

Although many years ago I flew on an Ilyushin-62 from Sheremetevo (Moscow) to LHR London. That was the first and last time that I ever flew with Aeroflot. When we reached cruising altitude which at that time was 31,000ft. all the oxygen masks in the cabin dropped from the ceiling. Talk about panic staions and then the Captain says nothing to worry about a circuit breaker had just popped in the cockpit causing the fault.
Not many happy passengers that day....

Uh. I would never fly aeroflot. I've never had any fear of flying issues, bu what I've heard their pilot and co pilot having 7 big bottles of vodka for long flight for their in-flight entertainment...

And you apparently did not get killed or robbed at Sheremetevo airport? Lucky man... Or did you have very short waiting time before LHR flight? That place has quite a reputation...

**nostromo** · 23-12-2011, 10:34 PM

I like to fly air asia - air hostesses are stunning in their red uniforms and when they bend over to do something... oh this is getting off topic and pc behaviour.

Anyway has anyone gone with Air Asia from KL to London?

**Strongarm** · 23-12-2011, 10:54 PM

I know where Jetstar Australia send their busted, broken, stinking, filthy planes when they no longer meet Australian standards..... Vietnam. I had the unfortunate opportunity to fly Jetstar Asia from Ho Chi Minh to Da Nang last week. The staff were ok but the plane was a bucket of shit.

The mrs actually asked me if the plane was safe???

I try to avoid Jetstar in Australia, but Vietnam is worse.

**nostromo** · 23-12-2011, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Strongarm

I know where Jetstar Australia send their busted, broken, stinking, filthy planes when they no longer meet Australian standards..... Vietnam. I had the unfortunate opportunity to fly Jetstar Asia from Ho Chi Minh to Da Nang last week. The staff were ok but the plane was a bucket of shit.

The mrs actually asked me if the plane was safe???

I try to avoid Jetstar in Australia, but Vietnam is worse.

But Vietnam Airlines was surprisinly positive experience.

**Mid** · 01-01-2012, 07:28 AM

China to build world’s highest airport in Tibet

DHARAMSHALA,December 27: China is all set to build the world’s highest airport beginning next year in Nagchu, central Tibet.

According to China’s state news agency Xinhua, the Nagchu airport, at an altitude of 4,436 metres (14,553 ft) will be 102 metres higher than the current highest airport in Chamdo, eastern Tibet.

The airport, designed to cover an area of up to 267 hectares, will cost 1.8 billion yuan ($280 million) and is expected to open in three years, Xinhua added.

Nagchu is located approximately 250 kms north-east of Tibet’s capital city of Lhasa and falls on the controversial Gormo-Lhasa railway line, which became functional in June 2006.

Under its Western Development Strategy launched in 1999, China has invested billions of dollars in promoting major infrastructure programmes in Tibet, including building of a strong railway network, highways, and airports with the goal, as experts believe, to cement its control over Tibet and provide a cost effective way in exploiting Tibet’s rich mineral resources.

Earlier this year, Chinese owned Tibet Airlines Co Ltd operated its maiden flight from Lhasa Gonggar Airport to Ngari Ali Khunsa Airport, a move to help realise China’s hopes that the Himalayan region will play host to about 15 million visitors a year by 2015.

Developmental projects in Tibet, which on most occasions are planned and implemented without the involvement of native Tibetans, have been a key area of conflict in the restive region.

China’s continued stress on economic development inside Tibet with the pouring-in of state money in the form of subsidies and investments is seen by many as a misrepresentation of the actual causes of unrest and continuing anti-government protests inside Tibet.

Since March this year, 12 Tibetans have set their bodies on fire demanding the return of the Dalai Lama from exile and protesting China’s continued occupation of Tibet.

According to the website of the Central Tibetan Administration, based in exile in Dharamshala, north India, Chinese development trends on the Tibetan Plateau have “marginalised Tibetans” and is “encouraging the influx of Chinese migrants”.

“There is no effective local participation in these so-called development projects. Tibetans already under the illegal occupation of China lack any public voices and are excluded from involvement in projects in whose name they are being designed,” says the exiled Tibetan leadership.

phayul.com

**Tom Sawyer** · 01-01-2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The complainant, Mrs Jennifer Robinson, works at the Canadian High Commission in Delhi had sought C$50,000 ($49,000; £31,000) in compensation. The court found that amount too high.

While I agree she has been wronged, isn't it a bit weird that someone working as an official (e.g. with diplomatic status) at the Canadian Embassy in Delhi would file a civil suit in that country's courts (for $49,000 no less) because an Indian airline wouldn't serve her a drink (for whatever reason)? Whatever happened to "tact" being one of the recruitment prerequisites for foreign service? I'd be embarrassed if I was her boss. I wonder what the Canadian Foreign Minister thinks? The airline has embarrassed her, now she's embarrassed her host government. Surely a letter of complaint and an apology from the airline would have sufficed?

**Amina** · 02-01-2012, 05:59 AM

Has anyone in our TD forum flown with Kan Airlines, especially between Nan (NNT) to Chiang Mai (CNX) or back? I'm particularly interested in the type of equipment used, the on-time reliability and comfort (i.e. noise). Also, if anyone booked or reserved flights on-line with them, how did that work out? I'm planning to use them in mid February, but I am somewhat hesitant because I know so little about this airline and their web site is NOT very informative or user-friendly.
Amina Christoph

sabaii sabaii · 02-01-2012, 11:55 AM

^I should imagine you will want to invest in either earplugs or an iPod

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