Airline News

**harrybarracuda** · 02-12-2018, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I suspect the deal also includes assembly in China at some point. They already "build" Boeings.

Where do you think they nicked the ideas for the Comac from?

**OhOh** · 03-12-2018, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Where do you think they nicked the ideas for the Comac from?

The same place everyone else does, the current leaders of the pack. Pay for the IP licence, add a few Chinese characteristics, be awarded a new patent and a "local" step forward.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-12-2018, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Pay for the IP licence

**OhOh** · 03-12-2018, 09:26 PM

Yes hilarious to some.

One wonders how much the companies, who moved to China and started producing objects of value/desire, have in their bank accounts due to that decision and signing the offered freely contract.

**harrybarracuda** · 04-12-2018, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Yes hilarious to some.

One wonders how much the companies, who moved to China and started producing objects of value/desire, have in their bank accounts due to that decision and signing the offered freely contract.

Not as much as they would have if the fucking chinkies weren't nicking all their IP and knocking out fake, substandard parts.

**OhOh** · 04-12-2018, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

and knocking out fake, substandard parts.

If your customer designs, specs and pays for them it would be silly to turn down the profitable order.

**OhOh** · 04-12-2018, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

nicking all their IP

I presume you can share with us the contracts the foreign companies signed to confirm any illegal clauses.

**harrybarracuda** · 04-12-2018, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

If your customer designs, specs and pays for them it would be silly to turn down the profitable order.

Boy you really didn't understand that one did you.

**harrybarracuda** · 04-12-2018, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I presume you can share with us the contracts the foreign companies signed to confirm any illegal clauses.

And you still don't.

**harrybarracuda** · 05-12-2018, 05:21 PM

A not so subtle hint that Lion Air want Boeing to stop playing the blame game...

PARIS/JAKARTA • Indonesia's Lion Air is reviewing plane purchases from Boeing and has not ruled out cancelling orders as relations worsen in a spat over responsibility for a 737 jetliner crash that killed 189 people in late October, sources told Reuters.

Group co-founder Rusdi Kirana is furious over what he sees as attempts by Boeing to deflect attention from recent design changes and to blame Lion Air for the crash, while the airline faces scrutiny over its maintenance record and pilots' actions, said the people, who have knowledge of the matter.

Mr Rusdi is examining the possibility of cancelling the remaining orders of Boeing jets "from the next delivery", said one of the sources.

Another source said the airline was looking at cancelling orders.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...-boeing-orders

**Luigi** · 06-12-2018, 08:50 AM

More 'Airplane news' than 'Airline news'

Rescue mission in Japan after 'mishap' involving two Marine aircraft

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46462814

Apparently collided during mid-air refueling 200 klicks off the coast. 1 rescued. 6 missing.

**OhOh** · 06-12-2018, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And you still don't.

No facts then just your opinion,

**harrybarracuda** · 06-12-2018, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

No facts then just your opinion,

WTF do you know about facts?

**OhOh** · 06-12-2018, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

WTF do you know about facts?

I know as a proven fact, a bullshitter by the name of 'arry.

**harrybarracuda** · 06-12-2018, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I know as a proven fact, a bullshitter by the name of 'arry.

Your knowledge is as good as your punctuation.

**harrybarracuda** · 07-12-2018, 11:22 PM

Virgin Atlantic pilots are due to strike from December 22 to Christmas Day.

The Professional Pilots union which represents around a third of pilots at the airline said the dispute was over union recognition.

Virgin Atlantic does not recognise the PPU and instead deals with the British Airline Pilots association.

Members backed strike action in a recent ballot, with just over 70 percent voting in favour of industrial action.

Spokesman Steve Johnson said the union have been forced to take action after being "shut out" of negotiations over changes to pilot benefits.

He added: "Virgin Atlantic have consistently refused to recognise the PPU as a legitimate and independent union, essentially disenfranchising our members," he said.

"Despite the rhetoric that consultations are inclusive of all staff and unions, in practice this doesn't happen.

"We hope that Virgin acknowledge the mandate our members have given us, and help avoid strike action by recognising the PPU and halt the benefits review that is so damaging to our members long-term security.

"Our door is - and has always been - open to Virgin to take the necessary steps to prevent any disruption for Christmas travellers.

"This is such an easy fix for the company; by including all unions in negotiations - not just one selected by the company - it can then live up to its claimed inclusiveness and we can get round the table together to negotiate a sustainable outcome for our members.

Virgin Atlantic does not expect any disruption to its schedule.

Additional reporting by PA.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/virgin-atlantic-pilots-to-strike-over-christmas-a4011756.html

**OhOh** · 11-12-2018, 12:39 PM

Airbus, China Mobile to work on in-flight Wi-Fi

By Zhu Wenqian and Ma Si | China Daily | Updated: 2018-12-11 11:01

Passengers use WiFi services to surf Internet on mobile gadgets on a flight of China Eastern Airlines. [Photo by Liu Xin/For China Daily]

"The Shenzhen-based Airbus China Innovation Center has signed an agreement with China Mobile Intelligent Mobility Network Technology Co to co-develop in-flight Wi-Fi services, fueled by the growing demand for greater in-air connectivity.

"The cooperation will develop an end-to-end solution and create new in-flight high-speed connectivity, leveraging the favorable policy on the use of portable electronic devices on board and the upcoming 5G technology," said Luo Gang, CEO of the Airbus China Innovation Center.
The Airbus and China Mobile subsidiaries did not disclose further details.

In January, the Civil Aviation Administration of China lifted curbs on the use of mobile devices on domestic flights. Passengers can now use mobile phones, tablets and laptops during the entire flight, as long as they have airplane mode switched on.
The in-flight Wi-Fi market in China is expected to enter a rapid growth period in the next few years. Most domestic routes are yet to be equipped with Wi-Fi services, due to technology and cost limitations.

Opening last year, Airbus' Shenzhen innovation center is its first such facility in Asia, and its second globally after the one in Silicon Valley. China Mobile Intelligent Mobility Network was launched in June. The company will focus on the transportation industry and 5G, and deepen its R&D in smart transportation fields, including automated driving and in-flight connectivity.

Currently, in-flight Wi-Fi mostly relies on the Ku band signal channel, which makes it susceptible to instability during flights.

The latest high-speed in-flight Wi-Fi operates on the Ka band, meaning the internet speed will be much faster than the currently available options. Both technologies rely on satellites, which restrict them to satellite orbit resources, making them more expensive than air-to-ground communications.

"Another approach to in-flight Wi-Fi connectivity depends on air-to-ground communications－a ground-based channel. Air-to-ground connections send signals to planes from on-ground signal towers, instead of from satellites directly as L band and Ku band do. The resources of on-ground signal towers are richer and more stable, and relatively easier to build," said Xiang Ligang, CEO of telecom industry website Cctime."

Airbus, China Mobile to work on in-flight Wi-Fi - Chinadaily.com.cn

China, 5G and Airbus. I hear a rustle in the hedgerow.

I presume a kill switch is automatically engaged in some countries planes and airspace. Will Huawei hard ware be compulsory at the on-ground signal towers?

**harrybarracuda** · 11-12-2018, 01:49 PM

Is there nowhere they won't steal data?

**harrybarracuda** · 20-12-2018, 02:36 PM

Fucking arseholes, I hope they find them and make them pay.

Flights at Gatwick Airport have been halted due to drone sightings. At around 10.30, Gatwick Airport tweeted: "Following reports of two drones flying over the Gatwick Airport airfield, we have had to suspend flights while this is investigated.

Read more at: https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/n...ings-1-8746050

**Chittychangchang** · 21-12-2018, 05:40 AM

It's chaos, flights diverted everywhere for 24hours.

Apparently it's some modified industrial drones causing the disruption.

Over 50 sightings with no end in sight.

The Army have been called in to deal with this unprecedented disruption !

**OhOh** · 21-12-2018, 02:12 PM

The army are helpless. No tools fit for purpose.

Gatwick To Close "For Foreseeable Future" As British Army Struggles To Combat Drones

"Update 3: In what has become an unceasing nightmare for thousands of travelers, Gatwick Airport could be closed for another full day as even the British Army has struggled to find the pilot operating several drones that have been spotted flying over the airport's air field, paralyzing Europe's eighth largest airport during one of the busiest travel weekends of the year.

A spokesperson for the airport warned travelers to stay away from the airport "for the foreseeable future including tomorrow".

A Gatwick Airport spokesperson says passengers should not come to the airport "for the foreseeable future including tomorrow"

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) December 20, 2018

Sky News shared this video to remind the public of the damage that a drone can cause an airplane, which prompted us to wonder: What's really going on here?

See what damage a drone can cause to a plane.

Scientists at the University of Dayton research institute show us why it is important to regulate drones near airports.

Get more on this story here: https://t.co/KEKsmcJrcP pic.twitter.com/y4Yz7yDHui

— Sky News (@SkyNews) December 20, 2018

Because something about this picture just doesn't look right:

pic.twitter.com/h5aWK2ioJz

— ciaran (@mozdog94) December 20, 2018

* * *

Update 2: All flights out of Gatwick (Europe's eighth largest airport) remain grounded as the army is helping local police hunt for the anonymous drone pilot (or pilot) who has disrupted the holiday travel plans of tens of thousands of people, according to AFP.
British Prime Minister Theresa May vowed to take action, and said she sympathized with those affected.

"We will continue to work with the Gatwick authorities and police will be working...in order to bring this to a close," she said at a press conference in London.

It's still unclear when flights might resume.

* * *
Update (11:20 am ET): The military has arrived, and the 'dronekillers' are coming out.
According to the latest reports, the Royal Army is deploying 'specialty equipment' to take down the troublesome drones that have ground traffic at the airport to a halt by lingering over the airport's runway.

OPERATION AT GATWICK IS TO `ASSIST' POLICE: DEFENCE MINISTRY
U.K. MILITARY IS `DEPLOYING SPECIALIST EQUIPMENT' AT AIRPORT
UK POLICE CONFIRM REQUEST FOR MOD HELP WITH GATWICK DRONES

It's also possible that the military could deploy new technology to 'jam' the drone signals and take control of the aircraft, as one official told the House of Lords, according to the Telegraph.

On Thursday morning, Lord West of Spithead, a retired senior officer of the Royal Navy, told the House of Lords on Thursday that the Army and GCHQ have developed the capability to both jam drones and over-ride their control systems enabling them to land the aircraft safely.

Talking to Aviation Minister Baroness Sugg, he said: "Our military and GCHQ have developed the ability to be able to identify the frequency very rapidly to actually be able to jam it or take control of the drone and land it.

In any case, the headache from the drone incident will linger for longer than the drones are in the air. Airport authorities have said it could take days for the holiday disruptions to be resolved."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-20/there-are-bodies-every-seat-thousands-stranded-gatwick-airport-mysterious-drones

Suggestions that trained Dutch eagles be brought into help were quickly dismissed by an EU official.

It appears the Brexit deal will need to be accepted first, due to the eagles being foreign and would need to be issued with EU passports prior to dispatch along with a 3 week quarantine period.

**Chittychangchang** · 21-12-2018, 03:20 PM

^

Gatwick open now.

**Chittychangchang** · 21-12-2018, 04:30 PM

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**OhOh** · 22-12-2018, 05:55 PM

UK police arrest man and woman over Gatwick drone disruption

"Authorities finally regained control over the airfield after the army deployed unidentified military technology to guard the area, reassuring the airport that it was safe enough to fly.

“Safety is Gatwick’s top priority and we are grateful for passengers’ continued patience as we work to get them to their final destination in time for Christmas,” the airport said."

It's "highly likely" the military waited until the battery ran down.

More waffle at:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...KCN1OL06D?il=0

**Chittychangchang** · 22-12-2018, 08:02 PM

Must have been a powerful battery!

350,000 passengers have had their travel plans disrupted.

Rumours are it could be environmentalists.. ..

Others are coming it's a couple of Scousers employed by Liverpool airport to get some business up north.

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