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Splendid news indeed (for the countries hosting them).Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
I think these people need to wise up and realise that their industry is not only going to have to slim down, but that it will probably be permanent. What are they going to do, go on strike?
British Airways threatens to sack all 4,300 of its pilots - Executive TravellerQuote:
British Airways has warned it will sack all of its 4300 pilots if it can't reach an agreement with unions over further job cuts as the airline starts a legal push to block the UK government's 14-day self-isolation plan for arrivals starting on Monday.
The airline told its pilots union that it would dismiss all of the company's 4300 pilots and rehire them on individual contracts unless the union reached an agreement with the carrier. The company, which is negotiating a planned reduction of 1130 roles represented by airline pilot union Balpa, sought another 125 pilot jobs on Wednesday, the union said in an email.
"This has seriously undermined our talks which now hang by a thread," Brian Strutton, the general secretary of the union, said in an email. "It calls into question whether BA is even capable of conducting industrial relations properly and whether anything they say can be trusted."
A spokesperson for the airline, which is working on cutting 12,000 jobs across the company, said in an email it's "acting now to protect as many jobs possible," adding that "the airline industry is facing the deepest structural change in its history, as well as facing a severely weakened global economy".
Concerned the self-isolation requirement would block its plans to restart services in July, British Airways' parent IAG sent a letter to the Home Office to start the process to block the quarantine, which could lead to a lawsuit, according to a copy of the letter seen by Bloomberg News.
The letter, also signed by Europe's two biggest discount carriers Ryanair and EasyJet, pointed to how the measures will apply to travelers from countries with lower infection rates than the U.K., and disproportionately affect those from England than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the letter showed.
The 14-day quarantine for travelers is also more stringent than the one for those who test positive for the virus, according to the letter. The carriers also pointed out that the U.K. is imposing the self-isolation on arrivals from countries that have a lower infection rate than the U.K.
"In our view, the government has failed to identify a valid justification for the blanket nature of the regulations, more especially given the extremely severe nature of the self-isolation provisions that apply," according to the letter.
The Home Office declined to comment on the potential legal action late Saturday. On Friday, James Slack, a spokesman for Prime Minister Boris Johnson, told reporters the government wants to work with the industry as the country moves through the pandemic.
British Airways' move came a day after IAG chief executive Willie Walsh said he was considering legal action to block the measure. Ryanair said on Friday it would support legal action by its rival. The quarantine is being introduced as carriers try to salvage the normally busy summer season.
If British Airways and the airlines push ahead with a legal challenge, a court proceeding known as a judicial review will be held in London's High Court. The transport sector isn't a stranger to a judicial review. Earlier this year, the procedure was used to force the government to take full account of climate change agreements over its plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport.
The procedure allows members of the public and corporations to hold the government to account over policy decisions. The process is designed to weigh the lawfulness of how a government decision has been reached, rather than whether the decision is right or wrong. Public bodies that lose judicial review cases can make the same decision again as long as they do so using the right procedures.
Like airlines worldwide, IAG is slashing costs to contend with a historic drop in travel. Carriers in Europe have signaled plans to eliminate more than 50,000 positions since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, including 10,000 on Wednesday at Germany's Lufthansa.
Airbus have reviewed the FDR and CVR data and issued a statement that there are no recommended safety notices that need to be issued at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
That is a diplomatic way of saying it was pilot error.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Or it's a diplomatic way of saying it might be the engines :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
Unsaid, but the AB statement covers all operational errors by the airline or other agencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
Well it seems the ATC have all but given the investigating team their answers. It will be hard for the Pakistan air force to pin this one on the aircraft, no matter how desperate they are to do so.
Shouldn't take long to close this one really: The only difficult bit will be the technical details of how the damage to the engines lead to the failure of both.
Airbus experts visit crash site as ATC blames pilot error | The Express TribuneQuote:
The French team arrived as the AAIB team continued its own investigation into the crash. The sources said that the air traffic controller and approach tower controller who were on duty at the time of air crash submitted their written replies to the inquiry committee.
According to the sources, the approach tower controller handled the flight from Lahore to Karachi and assigned the task of landing the aircraft to the ATC after 10 nautical miles away from landing. They informed the inquiry board about the final moments of the flight.
According to the response given by the ATC controller to the investigation team, the sources said, the captain ignored instructions 10 nautical miles from the landing. Before landing at Karachi airport, the planes fly at 1,800 feet high, but the captain was flying ill-fate plane at an altitude of 3,000 feet.
Despite repeated instructions, the captain said that he would manage the altitude and speed before landing. They told the investigators that in his first attempt, the captain came to land the aircraft without opening the landing gear.
When the captain made the first landing, both engines hit and scratched against the runway three times, they said, adding that the captain was busy maintaining the speed and the altitude of the landing, therefore he forgot to open the landing gear.
Landing the aircraft without landing gear created sparks when the engine hits the runway. The captain flew the plane again and asked for permission to land, the controllers said, adding that at the time of second landing the captain said the engines had stopped working.
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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Did you expect that only one of the engines would fail after both of them had bumped down into the tarmac three times? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
The investigation has to say a little bit more than "they banged the engines and they stopped working".Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
Nor will they say "this happened on one, so it probably happened on the other".
They will do a detailed analysis of both engines as best they can, describing the damage and the impact it had on engine performance.
The idea being to come up with any suggestions to prevent future accidents.
Remember, this aircraft was still flying after the runway contact. What if if was something simple like ruptured oil lines that could be reinforced?
Are the "French" a trustworthy bunch? Wouldn't an independent team, say from Hong Kong, be more truthful?
Like "use the landing gear".. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Those pilots didn't only do one error, they did a series of them:
Approaching the airport at too high altitude and therefore also at too high speed giving them lots of things to think of and take care of in the short time frame before touching down. They became so busy that they didn't hear the alarm "too low, gear" and when they did the go-around they were way below the no-go-around height limit. Lives might had been saved if they instead had continued with the belly-landing.
We can't fix stupid said Airbus..
Yes they are and no they wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The Pakistan authorities will lead the investigation, as per normal procedure, and the French will assist as the aircraft manufacturer.
The engines were CFM56 ... donks that go for yonks...as long as you don't whack them against the runway.
All of that will be taken into account, but that doesn't stop them making other suggestions to avoid the end result.Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
Could they make the Pakistani runways like really fast moving conveyor belts, so they could belly land if they so desired ?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
You appear to have gone full retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
THAI swoops to protect planes from seizure
Thai Airways International (THAI) has petitioned courts in three countries to protects its assets -- including its aircraft operating scheduled flights -- from being seized by its creditors, said government spokeswoman Narumon Pinyosinwat on Tuesday.
The cabinet on Tuesday was informed about the filing of debt-rehabilitation requests in foreign countries by Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam, who chairs the government-appointed committee tasked with coordinating a solution to THAI's problems.
Ms Narumon said the airline has so far petitioned the courts in Switzerland, Germany and Japan, before adding that the flag carrier is in the middle of submitting a similar request in the United States, where its creditors are based. The petitions, if approved, will protect THAI against the seizure of its assets -- for example, its aircraft being impounded overseas.
Prior to the grounding of THAI's entire fleet at the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, the airline flew to all of the countries whose courts it had petitioned -- except the US.
Last month, the Central Bankruptcy Court in Thailand agreed to examine the airline's rehabilitation request. The court is scheduled to decide on Aug 18 whether or not it will admit the case, which would effectively begin the rehab process.
For the process to occur smoothly, talks with creditors will have to start before Aug 17, in order to limit the possibility of THAI's creditors objecting to the plan when it is presented to the court, Ms Narumon said.
She said an objection will delay and complicate the execution of the rehabilitation plan, and said that this is an issue that the airline's legal consultants are working hard to avoid.
The cabinet was told on Tuesday that THAI racked up 12 billion baht in debt last year, bringing up its total outstanding debt to 244 billion baht.
The airline has fixed expenses amounting to between 5-6 billion baht a month. Without a liquidity boost, THAI will only have enough cash to survive until the end of the month.
The rehabilitation plan is being drawn up by five members of the THAI board, which includes its former president, Piyasvasti Amranand, under the supervision of the bankruptcy court. Along with EY Corporate Advisory Services, they will have "the authority and duty in managing the business and assets of the company", the carrier told the Stock Exchange of Thailand at the end of last month.
On a different note, THAI has announced it is relaunching domestic and international flights next month.
THAI swoops to protect planes from seizure
They do have a fucking nerve. Many of the aircraft are leased, so they are not "its" aircraft if it isn't fucking paying for them.Quote:
Thai Airways International (THAI) has petitioned courts in three countries to protects its assets -- including its aircraft operating scheduled flights
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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Will keep them straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by misskit
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And the twat goes off waffling again.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Just got this from Thai Airways..just leaves me with the the word "And" floating around :)
Dear Valued customers,
We would like to inform our valued customers that certain letters, documents, or notifications may be delivered to you via E-mail or SMS in accordance with the business reorganization process of Thai Airways International Public Company Limited consequent to the relevant business reorganization petition filed with and found for by the Central Bankruptcy Court.
During the period where the company undergoes the business reorganization, which plays a significant role to its survival, the company remains resolute to ensure our customers are provided with the best care within its current capability, especially for those whose airfare refunds are pending as well as honor certain benefits for our Royal Orchid Plus members, including membership status and miles being the most important . Please rest assured that the company shall overcome this crisis, albeit great magnitude, and be ‘Airline of Pride’ which offers the best on-flight services for our valued customers once again. Any update and progress will be further communicated to you via various channels.
On this occasion, please allow us to express our gratitude for your kind understanding and patronage through these years. It is our greatest hope to be able to serve you again in the near future.
Best regards,
Thai Airways International Public Company Limited
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Originally Posted by NamPikToot
Oh dear, Tooty.
You're not really a regular with TG, are ya?
I thought better of you.
Erm on and off Jeff approx 30 years, so yep still learning :)
Prefer Bangkok Airways these days tbh.
It is a well run thriving and thieving company.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
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Thailand’s national carrier, Thai Airways International PCL (Thai Airways), has decided to enter rehabilitation, making it the latest victim of the tourism decline brought about by the COVID-19 pandemic.
This act of rehabilitation under Thai Law is akin to a business filing for Chapter 11 in the US.
As per Thai law, submission to rehabilitation means that its government will determine the best course of action to facilitate a recovery for the entity.
Thai Airways’ decision to enter rehabilitation wasn’t actually its first choice.
Prior to this, the Thai government initially offered a rescue bailout to the national carrier to the sum of 58.1 billion baht (~RM7.9 billion).
To be fair, its cash flow woes had begun way before the pandemic kicked in.
The airline has reported losses every year since 2012, with the exception of 2016, when it actually got back in the black. Last year, the company has a reported loss of 12.05 billion baht (~RM1.64 billion).
Thai Airways Files For Bankruptcy Protection; Agrees To Rehabilitation Plan | Lowyat.NET
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Bankruptcy court accepts THAI case
David this happened May 19th..
A polite request;
If any one should get any info on the Jet Star Asia flights, Bangkok - Singapore - Darwin and back I'd really appreciate it.
I've tried to talk to them but got no where and it's a bugger as it's my preferred route to get to Darwin for regular checkups.
I usually (the last few years) do Bangkok Airways to Swampy then the Jet Star bit then a week later do whatever is available to get from Swampy to Chiang Rai.
I'm a couple of months behind now and it'd be good to get checked.
Cheers all.
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Originally Posted by lom
Comes with the territory.
Loosely underwriting by similar parties.
Back in the day, was a decent outfit [domestically].
Something went array along the way.
Oh do fuck off Jeff, you dull c u n t.Quote:
Originally Posted by HuangLao
thieving what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
Why don't you follow them on twatter or facetubegram? They'll probably make announcements through their social media channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by crackerjack101
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Heavily overcharging their customersQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Used them for years UK > BKK, BKK > Asia and OZ. Excellent 747, 380 and regional planes and services. Check-in, lounges, on-board. Only one delay and that was a volcano blowing up. I had to wait an extra week in Bangkok, so disheartening. :)
^ I can't recall Bangkok airways ever having an a380 or a b747. Or are you referring to Thai?
All turbo prop last time i used them, was a while ago so pop to Trat. :)
Well that's surprising, because I've never found them to be expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by lom
Were you buying late, because that's where LCCs can ramp up the charges?
Then you have probably not flown with them from BKK to Samui.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Add 2000baht to the Samui price when going to Singapore with them, pay 60% of the Samui price when going to Phuket with them. That's how monopoly works..
Bandit Airways. (and its the same owner as Bandit Hospital)
"The current fleet comprises of 9 Airbus 320s, 16 Airbus 319s and 13 ATR72-600s"Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
^ You won't find me in a prop during the rain season.
Yes, I was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy