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    NTSB: Engine in deadly Southwest jet incident missing a fan blade

    By Eliott C. McLaughlin, Brian Todd and Julia Jones, CNN
    Updated 0251 GMT (1051 HKT) April 18, 2018


    Philadelphia (CNN)Passengers aboard a Dallas-bound Southwest Airlines flight Tuesday struggled to pull a woman back into the plane after she was sucked into a hole left by a shattered window, witnesses said.

    The woman died, officials said.

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    The woman was sitting on the left side of the plane when something in the engine apparently broke and smacked into the window. She hung out the hole for many minutes, said Hollie Mackey, who sat next to the victim, and Amy Serafini, who was in the row behind the woman.

    Many passengers kept trying to pull the woman back into the plane for a long time, until two men were able to get the woman back in her seat, they said.

    A nurse answered a call for help and tried to do CPR.


    Investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board got a preliminary look at the engine that failed.


    One of 24 fan blades was missing, NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt said in Philadelphia.


    Sumwalt said a first look showed there was evidence of metal fatigue where the blade attached to a hub.

    Southwest CEO Gary Kelly said the family of the victim was the airline's primary concern.

    "This is a sad day and our hearts go out to the family and the loved ones of the deceased customer," he said. "We will do all that we can to support them during this very difficult time."


    The woman who was killed was identified as Jennifer Riordan, according to CNN affiliate
    KOAT, which cited Annunciation Catholic School. Riordan, 43, worked for Wells Fargo in Albuquerque, New Mexico, the station reported.

    "Everybody was going crazy, and yelling and screaming," passenger Marty Martinez said of the flight, which left New York and was forced to make an emergency landing in Philadelphia.

    "As the plane is going down, I am literally purchasing internet just so I can get some kind of communication to the outside world," he said.


    Passenger Matt Tranchin told
    CNN affiliate WPVI he was thinking, "That I'll never live to see my son born. That I'll never be able to say goodbye to my wife, say goodbye to parents. But I am. I am. I feel really very fortunate for that."


    Tranchin told WPVI the crew was frantically trying to plug a hole left when a window shattered.


    "Flight attendants rushed up. There was momentary chaos. Everyone kind of descended on where this hole was," he said.

    The plane had suffered damage to one of its engines, and according to passenger Kristopher Johnson, who was sitting near the front of Flight 1380, debris from the engine flew into the window, breaking it and injuring a woman sitting nearby.

    "Shrapnel hit the window causing a serious injury. No other details about that. Several medical personnel on the flight tended to the injured passenger," Johnson said.

    The crew reported damage to one of the aircraft's engines as well as the fuselage and a window, the Federal Aviation Administration said.


    The injured woman's arms and body were sucked toward the opening in the plane, Martinez recalled in a phone interview. Objects flew out the hole where the window had been, and "passengers right next to her were holding onto her. And meanwhile, there was blood all over this man's hands. He was tending to her," said Martinez, who was sitting a row or two away from the woman.


    Other passengers began trying to plug the hole with jackets and other objects but to no avail. Those items, too, were sucked out of the plane, he said.


    Martinez said he didn't think he would survive. Nor did his colleague in an adjacent seat who was scrambling to write one last message to his wife and unborn son, he said.


    "We could feel the air from the outside coming in, and then we had smoke kind of coming in the window. Meanwhile, you have passengers that were in that aisle, trying to attend to the woman that was bleeding from the window explosion," he said. "That was just chaos all around."

    The plane descended precipitously, Johnson said, but the pilot regained control and informed passengers the flight was headed to Philadelphia.


    "The crew did a great job," he said.


    The flight tracking website FlightRadar24 estimated the Boeing 737-700 descended from 31,684 feet to about 10,000 feet in a little over five minutes.


    Kelly told reporters Tuesday evening the plane was inspected April 15, but he had no details on what parts were examined.

    "I'm not aware of any issues with the airplane or any issues with the engine involved," Kelly said at a news conference.
    The engine had 40,000 cycles on it, a quarter of those since it was overhauled, he said.

    It was a rough landing, Martinez said, and things were still so chaotic that he wasn't sure if the plane was going to crash. The jet could have been landing on a freeway for all he knew, he said.

    "I didn't know if we were going to be running into a building. I didn't know what state the plane or even the pilot was in, if we were in condition to land," he said. "It was just all incredibly traumatic, and finally when we ... came to a halt, of course, the entire crowd was (in) tears and people crying and we were just thankful to be alive."

    Philadelphia Fire Commissioner Adam Thiel said earlier that one of the 149 passengers and crew members on board was taken to the hospital in critical condition. Seven others were treated for minor injuries.

    Sumwalt said the airliner's flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder were sent to Washington. The flight data recorder showed the plane was at 32,500 feet when the engine failed about 20 minutes into the flight.

    Sumwalt said part of the inquiry will look at the CFM International 56 turbofan engine. Last year the FAA issued an airworthiness directive on the CFM56-7B version that would have required inspection of the fan blades.


    "There are various iterations of that (engine) and so I can't say exactly what that airworthiness directive might have applied to at this point, but that will be part of our investigation," he said.


    Later he said the cowling for the engine was found about 70 miles from where the plane landed.


    In August 2016, a
    Southwest Airlines 737 flying from New Orleans to Orlando was forced to make an emergency landing in Pensacola, Florida, when an engine failed.


    Southwest said this is the first death from an in-flight incident in company history.


    Boeing said it is providing technical assistance in the investigation.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/17/u...ing/index.html
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    That area of seats is always a poor choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    That area of seats is always a poor choice.
    As Chubby Brown said, "I always get a seat in the rear, because you never hear of a fucking plane backing into a mountain, do you?".

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    Perhaps this is what they should do with obese people. It'd block the hole in the unfortunate event of it happening again.

    RIP lady. Not a nice way to go.

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    It's not as if fan blade separation is something new.

    My guess is shoddy inspection regime.

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    Tragic and I've never heard of such an event before.
    Perhaps aisle seats will become more popular

    RIP
    Must have been a terrifying event, bad enough to die at home or in your car, but to spend minutes desecending a plane full of screaming passengers.

    Seems the pilot and crew did a great job in the circumstances
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    My word, the plot thickens. Maybe they should try and accelerate the preliminary reports.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southw...es_Flight_3472

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    Tragic and I've never heard of such an event before.
    UA232?

    More importantly, the Southwest incident in my previous post, which was the same airline, same aircraft/engine type and less two years ago.

    There are lots more.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fa...hrome&ie=UTF-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    RIP lady. Not a nice way to go.
    but it was not the lady who died

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's not as if fan blade separation is something new
    there is a ring around the engine that is supposed to contain it when it happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    UA232?

    More importantly, the Southwest incident in my previous post, which was the same airline, same aircraft/engine type and less two years ago.

    There are lots more.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fa...hrome&ie=UTF-8
    Guess the lessons haven't been learned when this type of mishap repeats itself....

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    but it was not the lady who died
    Apparently it was.


    A banking executive has died after being partially sucked out of a window of a US plane when an engine exploded in mid-air.
    Jennifer Riordan, a 43-year-old vice-president at Wells Fargo, was left hanging half outside the Southwest Airlines passenger jet at 32,000ft.
    Passengers scrambled to save the mother of two, who was partly sucked out of the Boeing 737 when the widow was smashed by debris. Mrs Riordan, who was returning from a business trip, later died and seven others were injured.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-engine-broke/

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    Newer aircraft engines are tested for this, but these are old planes with old engines, and the airlines will have made sure that they don't have to go and refit everyone.

    The FAA is pretty toothless really.



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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's not as if fan blade separation is something new.
    Russian or Chinese turbine blades for sure.

    At 3:00 into the video they are showing the blade being removed from an oven. They then introduce gas and say like a balloon the blade becomes hollow. Is that true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Russian or Chinese turbine blades for sure.

    At 3:00 into the video they are showing the blade being removed from an oven. They then introduce gas and say like a balloon the blade becomes hollow. Is that true?
    Apparently so:

    The hollow, titanium wide-chord fan blade, pioneered by Rolls-Royce and introduced in the 1980s, set new standards in aerodynamic efficiency and resistance to foreign-object damage. “Designed specifically for high-bypass turbofans, the breadth of these blades sets them apart from the narrow and less efficient earlier equivalents,” says Rolls. Some fan blades have very large surface areas and resemble paddles rather than blades.
    Understanding The Complexities Of Bigger Fan Blades | MRO Network

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's not as if fan blade separation is something new.

    My guess is shoddy inspection regime.
    NTSB are saying airframe shows evidence of corrosion

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    Quote Originally Posted by toslti View Post
    NTSB are saying airframe shows evidence of corrosion

    Where? And what would that have to do with a fan blade?

    NTSB are saying that there were signs of metal fatigue where the blade separated.

    https://www.newsday.com/news/new-yor...tim-1.18129205

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    a good rundown of what hapened here - she was killed by shrapnel - the fan blade or other steel probably hit her in the head

    not a unique occurance - but streatching the maintenance dollor to its limit ups the risk

    https://arstechnica.com/information-...el-fatalities/

    But it's not like this was a random act of God. What happened aboard Flight 1380 appears to have been "uncontained engine failure" in the front portion of the left engine—a failure of one of the engine's fan blades causing a spray of debris that rips through the walls of the engine (hence the "uncontained" part). This isn't the first time that a Southwest jet has experienced such a failure: another Southwest 737-700 using the same type of engine (a CFM56-7B) occurred in August of 2016, with no fatalities. And a United Airlines 777 flying from San Francisco to Hawaii suffered an engine failure caused by a broken fan blade last month, though the failure was contained and the aircraft landed safely.

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    It doesn't appear to be an uncontained failure, which is the mandatory requirement.

    Passengers close to the fuselage penetration must have been pretty bloody scared though...I'm quite sure it would have been a brown trouser event for me if I was on board.

    Good control from the pilots and well done to them...

    ... contrary to popular belief it takes an immense amount of control to be a pilot, staying cool and in control, despite everything going against you. Doing the 'heroic' thing is the usual way to end up in disaster.

    I was going to add an equal pay award but that may be a little too much... (jeeesus how I have seen that manipulated beyond reason )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    It doesn't appear to be an uncontained failure, which is the mandatory requirement.
    If bits of the engine sprayed the fuselage, then it very much DOES appear to be an uncontained failure. And I don't think uncontained is the mandatory requirement....

    ... contrary to popular belief it takes an immense amount of control to be a pilot, staying cool and in control, despite everything going against you. Doing the 'heroic' thing is the usual way to end up in disaster.
    I don't know of any such popular belief.

    Having said that, if you listen to the cockpit audio prior to the Concorde crash in Paris, the professionalism is beyond belief in that incident.

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    Poor lady.

    More details have been released about the death of a woman who was partially sucked out of a plane window in the US.

    Jennifer Riordan, 43, died after an engine failed on
    Southwest Flight 1380 and debris smashed the window beside her seat in the 14th row of the plane.


    Witnesses said Mrs Riordan, who was a mother-of-two from Albuquerque and an executive at Wells Fargo bank, was out of the aircraft to her waist after the window broke.


    Philadelphia's medical examiner has ruled that the cause of Mrs Riordan's death was blunt trauma to the head, neck and torso.

    The death was ruled an accident, spokesman Jim Garrow said.

    https://news.sky.com/story/woman-sucked-from-southwest-airlines-plane-died-of-blunt-trauma-11337298

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    out of the aircraft to her waist
    Head first one assumes.

    She should have worn her seat belt, It is recommended by the airline after all. 50% reduction on damages award.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Head first one assumes.

    She should have worn her seat belt, It is recommended by the airline after all. 50% reduction on damages award.
    She was.

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    In the past couple of years has anyone booked or know anyone that's booked 3 seats online for a domestic AirAsia flight?

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