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    Nice to see the PM's office will have at its disposal a nice new Airbus 340 in October. Presumably it will be carried on the Air Force budget......

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    When you fly out of Utapao you can see the 10 or so A340's Thai retired parked as close as possible around one of their maintenance hangars there. Singapore Airlines and a number of other airlines have grounded these planes too, they were too inefficient. Some are less than 10 years old.
    Err, the A340 has been in operation for over 23 years. Of course it would be superseded by more modern efficient jets viz Boeing 777. That's progress but to imply they are grievously uneconomical and somehow unworthy is just fucking stupid. The change in ETOPS certification and efficiency of new twin engined aircraft has increased the rate of change but over 360 are still in service today.

    Why do you septics always adopt extreme positions? No wonder you shoot so many nigras.
    Why don't you take the time to Google A340 production list and you can find every individual plane Thai owned and the dates they were grounded. The list is not that long since the plane did not sell well. The A340-500 first flew in 2002 and the 600 in 2001. Thai never owned any of the earlier versions.
    Also, the Boeing 777 first flew in 1994, so it is just as old as the A340.

    Other than that, what pleasure do you get out of being such a cranky old man all the time? Sometimes you come up with some great comments but other times you go out of your way to be as unpleasant as you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
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    These A340s are up for sale, but not much interest in them as you say.
    Aircraft for sale

    One of them was only built in 2008 according to that 'for sale' list. Hard to believe any airline was still buying new A340s as recently as seven or eight years ago eh?

    One was almost sold, but I heard somewhere that the A340s are on the books as assets worth 'x' baht, and selling them for less than that would mean "losing" money. Better to let them corrode away by the seaside, whilst they depreciate off the books. - Accountant logic.
    Thai Airways Int'l puts its four A340-500s up for sale - ch-aviation.com
    For once I don't think it was completely Thai's fault or that of whoever was PM at the time. I recall the EU threatening Thailand with tariffs on Thai shrimp about the same time the plane purchases were being discussed, and that threat magically disappeared after they bought these crappy airplanes. I certainly don't put the EU above such conduct.

    ^ Yes that lie about the "C" checks was discovered by a consultant for the potential purchaser when they tried to sell one of them.

    ^^ Also for the last government to have sold these planes for less than the "book value" was a political trap they cannot be blamed for avoiding. When making a political stink truth means little and the book value was much higher than their real value. Can you imagine the stink the opposition would have made if this sale had gone through even though it would not have had any merit.

    I believe there's actually 9 of them; 4 A340-500's and 5 A340-600's the latter being only a slightly better airplane.
    I thought the -500 was the better plane? Wasn't the -600 the over-stretched version with all the weight / balance issues?

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    ^ I never flew anything with more than one engine, so I'm relaying various articles I've read over the last few years, but my understanding is that the 500 is the worst of the lot. Singapore Airlines was flying them to New York in an all Business Class configuration at $8000 a pop and filling over 80% of the seats and still ceased the flights because they were losing money. Thai has always suffered from political interference, but I've never heard the competency of Singapore Airlines management questioned.

    Singapore had also obtained written guarantees of fuel economy performance from Airbus before they bought the planes.

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    Passenger chaos as British Airways suffers 'global' system check-in failure

    British Airways passengers have been hit by long delays after an IT glitch affected worldwide check-in systems.

    Angry travellers were forced queued for hours, as airport staff manually processed flight checks-ins. Some passengers posted photographs on social media of hand-written boarding passes.

    British Airways told ITV News the glitch has affected "a number of airports" around the world but it is unclear how many.

    "Our IT teams are working as hard as they can to quickly fix a problem with our check-in system," a spokeswoman said.

    She added: "We are sorry for the delays some customers are experiencing as they check-in for their flights."

    Jack Maddox, from London, was due to be flying from Atlanta in the US to Heathrow on Monday night.

    Speaking to ITV News from the terminal building, he said: "It was at first meant to be a five minute wait but it's now been four hours since their computer systems went down.

    "A customer service manager said they had it up and running a while ago but it went right back down.

    "Now they're processing manually, hand writing labels of the remaining 100 or so passengers on my flight. It was meant to take off an hour and 40 minutes ago.

    "We're not even close to boarding. The plane is sitting fully fuelled and ready to go. There are a lot of agitated people with connecting flights."

    It is not yet clear whether any BA flights have been cancelled.
    Last updated Tue 6 Sep 2016

    Passenger chaos as British Airways suffers 'global' system check-in failure - ITV News

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    ^^ The -600 was the stretch-too-far version. Didn't follow the industry much back then, but I do recall newspaper articles about it - Airbus advising airlines to carry less freight to help balance the aircraft. And something to do with it being heavier (and therefore thirstier) than promised due to the need for extra hull reinforcement.

    I hope Airbus have learned their lesson. They are talking about a further stretch of the A350 now to trump the largest NextGen 777 (777x?) version, and as its fuselage is narrower than the 777 it will need to be longer to match the 777's capacity.

    As to which version of the A340 was commercially less successful, I don't know. If Singapore bought the -500, that sounds like a vote of confidence.

    I never flew on the A340, but I hear it was a nice ride - smooth and quiet. Just a shame about the fuel guzzling aspect! But back when it was conceived there was no 777 to rain on its parade I suppose. And the earliest 777s were apparently not that spectacular anyway, it was the 777-300ER (and the enabling engine development) that killed off the A340. As I understand it, and I too am just an interested observer.

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    ^^ There have been some system-wide check in outages in Oz the past few years. I think these airlines use one of several worldwide specialist providers don't they? 'Amadeus', that sort of thing. Or have BA simply offshored their IT and seem content to save lots of money / cop the occasional screw up, like the Australian banks do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
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    Nice to see the PM's office will have at its disposal a nice new Airbus 340 in October. Presumably it will be carried on the Air Force budget......

    Airforce 1 flies again!
    When you fly out of Utapao you can see the 10 or so A340's Thai retired parked as close as possible around one of their maintenance hangars there. Singapore Airlines and a number of other airlines have grounded these planes too, they were too inefficient. Some are less than 10 years old.
    Err, the A340 has been in operation for over 23 years. Of course it would be superseded by more modern efficient jets viz Boeing 777. That's progress but to imply they are grievously uneconomical and somehow unworthy is just fucking stupid. The change in ETOPS certification and efficiency of new twin engined aircraft has increased the rate of change but over 360 are still in service today.

    Why do you septics always adopt extreme positions? No wonder you shoot so many nigras.
    Why don't you take the time to Google A340 production list and you can find every individual plane Thai owned and the dates they were grounded. The list is not that long since the plane did not sell well. The A340-500 first flew in 2002 and the 600 in 2001. Thai never owned any of the earlier versions.
    Also, the Boeing 777 first flew in 1994, so it is just as old as the A340.

    Other than that, what pleasure do you get out of being such a cranky old man all the time? Sometimes you come up with some great comments but other times you go out of your way to be as unpleasant as you can.
    Have to agree with Bob R on this one thegent...you need to stick to your day job!

    Not only is the 777 a classic but the 300ER is in a class of its own that the 340 had no chance against. Even the 330, which is basically the same plane with only 2 donks can't compete on range and speed and payload (although it is better economy).

    The 340 used to be on the Munich Bangkok route for Lufthansa as well as Thai and it was a very nice, quite ride, especially in Biz...but the 747 returned for its better payload and range. No competition against a 747-400 let alone a 777-300ER.

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    and so you thought you'd take Air Asia.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...vigation-error

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    Quote Originally Posted by toslti View Post
    and so you thought you'd take Air Asia.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...vigation-error
    That is quite appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    and so you thought you'd take Air Asia.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...vigation-error
    That is quite appalling.
    Especially as it was a Three Ringer doing the data entry!

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    Firefly - the low cost part of Malaysian does not appear to be particularly successful?

    British couple realises they were the only ones on Firefly flight, proceeds to party | Coconuts Kuala Lumpur


    British couple realises they were the only ones on Firefly flight, proceeds to party
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    Ever wondered what it feels like to travel on your own private jet like your favourite rock star? Well, this British couple got to do just that - and they did not even have to pay a single cent extra!
    Last week, Kyle McNicol and his partner Carrie Fisher (no, not the 'Star Wars' actress) were pleasantly surprised to find themselves the only passengers on a Firefly flight from Krabi, Thailand to Penang.
    According to a news report by UK news site Metro, the 28-year-olds from Yorkshire, England reportedly book the flight via the low cost commercial airline, which is owned by Malaysia Airlines (MAS).
    When they checked in for the flight at the check-in counter, they were left very confused when the staff reportedly told them: "Oh very special flight for you today".
    The customs officer, while checking their passports, then reportedly burst into laughter, exclaiming: "Just you two".
    It wasn't until the both of them were on the charter bus taking them to their flight that they realised that - gasp! - they were the only ones on the flight.

    "The cabin crew felt just as awkward as we did to start with, it was the first time that it happened to them too.
    "We asked where we could sit and were told we could sit anywhere, run up and down just don’t jump," Carrie was quoted as saying.

    Photo: Carrie Fisher
    So, what do you do when you have an entire plan to yourself?
    Take tonnes of pictures and videos and party like there's no tomorrow, of course.
    According to Carrie, Kyle then started doing his signature dance move, 'The Slug', as he wormed his way down the aisle because hey, when you have your own 'private jet', you owe it to yourself to pull out that dance move.

    Carrie told Metro that it was "one of the best flights" she's ever been on.
    "We were even treated to a complimentary stuffed aeroplane," she told Metro.
    Sadly, their super VIP treatment ended just one hour later when they touched down in Penang.
    "I was shocked that someone didn’t collect our two lonely bags off the carousel for us," she was quoted as saying.
    According to Metro, the couple has reportedly been travelling around Asia together for the last five months, with stops in countries such as China, Vietnam and Japan.
    And that little private jet treatment? You can be sure it's the best part of their travels.

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    Thai Airways debuts Bangkok-Tehran flights

    BANGKOK, 23 September 2016 (NNT) - Thai Airways has unveiled Bangkok-Tehran flights which will start offering the service to passengers next month.

    Thai Airways’ Boeing 777-200 will be flying to Tehran on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and weekends from 1st October onwards. Thai Airways President, Charamporn Jotikasthira commented that the Bangkok-Tehran flights should start making a profit soon after their debut, as the new route has the potential to draw culture-oriented visitors.

    Mr. Charamporn said the new Thai Airways service would open up the opportunity for Thai people to explore Iran, a country with one of the world's oldest civilizations. The Islamic Republic also boasts more than 20 World Heritage sites.

    Meanwhile, Anirut Smuthkochorn, former Trade and Culture Representative of the Islamic Republic of Iran in Thailand suggested Thai people planning to visit Iran study Iranian culture and history first, so that they can obtain valuable experience from their trip.

    National News Bureau Of Thailand | Thai Airways debuts Bangkok-Tehran flights

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    That should up the meth arrest rate no end.

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    Imagine mongers galore, cannot see many Thais keen to experience Iranian culture,They could learn a lot from Iran a beautiful country travlled all over it..Also on passive cooling

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher

    I wanted to construct one here but wife and buiders talked me out of it, next time..eh
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    I just want the chance to use a bigger porridge bowl.

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    you mean heading south instead of north?

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    Its opening up a new faster route for Syrian migrants to get to Australia.

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    Ah OK, Airline news - for Australians and New Zealanders with an interest in Thailand...

    - Emirates will fly A380 between Bangkok and Sydney commencing in 2017 - from around March I think it is. This will replace the existing (squeezy) 777-300ER flying between those cities. This flight will now continue on to Auckland (Orkland) instead of Christchurch, and one of the direct Dubai - Sydney A380 flights will continue on to Christchurch instead of Auckland - the first scheduled A380 to Christchurch. This is all said to give Auckland passengers quicker flights to BKK (much reduced SYD transit time), and Christchurch passengers quicker flights to Dubai / Europe.

    - Thai will commence flying their A350s to Melbourne soon. Would have started already, but some issue with Oz regulators. Other airlines are flying the A350 to Oz already, so Thai's troubles are due to the recent UN red flag I'd suggest. And that slight mishap landing the A350 at Phuket recently would not have helped.

    - Thai are reported to be withdrawing the 747s from Sydney in 2017, replacing with (much smaller, no first class) A350s. I have no details on commencement date, or whether frequency will be increased to compensate for the smaller aircraft. 747s are currently 10 x weekly.

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    Arriving Bangkok Thursday, cheapest business class flight from Eva Air for a very long time at £1675.00 inc. LHR-BKK return , date change £75.00
    Same route/seat £1000.00 dearer with Thai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower View Post
    Arriving Bangkok Thursday, cheapest business class flight from Eva Air for a very long time at £1675.00 inc. LHR-BKK return , date change £75.00
    Same route/seat £1000.00 dearer with Thai.
    EVA's a decent carrier and showing to be very competitive in the last few years....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    EVA's a decent carrier and showing to be very competitive in the last few years....
    For more than 20 years. The pioneered the "upgraded economy" seating. Now many airlines are copying that. They have remained competitive and profitable. Via Taiwan to SFO or LAX with great connecting times has been great for my kids. Their business class is very nice indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bower View Post
    Arriving Bangkok Thursday, cheapest business class flight from Eva Air for a very long time at £1675.00 inc. LHR-BKK return , date change £75.00
    Same route/seat £1000.00 dearer with Thai.
    EVA's a decent carrier and showing to be very competitive in the last few years....
    They are are airline of choice between the States and BKK.

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    British Airways flight to Heathrow diverted as crew falls ill

    A hospital spokesperson said 25 people who felt unwell on board the flight from San Francisco to London have been checked.

    A British Airways flight to London Heathrow was diverted to Canada after crew members fell ill, the airline has said.

    A medical emergency was declared on Flight BA286 from San Francisco, forcing the double-decker Airbus A380 to make an emergency landing at Vancouver International Airport.

    BA said cabin crew members were taken to hospitals "as a precaution" before being discharged.

    In a statement, the airline said: "We are sorry for the delay to our customers' flight but the safety and well-being of our customers and crew is always our top priority."

    A spokeswoman for Vancouver Coastal Health hospitals said initial reports that the crew was suffering from smoke inhalation are being revised.

    It's not yet known what caused the staff to feel unwell.

    The diverted flight landed at around 11.30pm (6.30am UK time), a Vancouver Airport spokesperson said.

    Images showed the plane on the tarmac surrounded by emergency vehicles.

    Vancouver Airport tweeted: "BA286 has landed safely at YVR. Medical personnel on scene to assist."

    BA said the cause of the incident was under investigation.

    It added: "Our ground team at Vancouver has arranged hotel accommodation for the customers and will book them on alternative flights as soon as possible."

    British Airways flight to Heathrow diverted as crew falls ill

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    THAI adjusts and reschedules flights between Bangkok-Chiang Mai during Loy Krathong festival

    Thai Airways International has decided to cancel some flights and to adjust many other flight schedules to northern provinces during Loy Krathong festival between November 14-16 for fear of safety risk posed by sky lanterns or small hot-air balloons.

    THAI’s president for safety affairs and aviation standard, Cpt Pratthana Pattanasiri, said Thursday that sky lanterns released by Loy Krathong celebrants might pose safety risk to flights and, hence, it was necessary to adjust flights and to cancel some flights during the period in order to maintain high safety standard.

    Flights to be cancelled include TG120 from Bangkok to Chiang Mai and TG 121 from Chiang Mai to Bangkok during November 14-15.

    Flight schedules to be adjusted include TG 116 on November 13 will leave Bangkok at 3.20 am instead of 5.20 pm; flight TG 117 on November 13 will leave Chiang Mai at 5.20 pm instead of 7.20 pm; TG 120 on November 13 will leave Bangkok at 3.50 pm instead of 6.40 pm; TG 121 on November 13 will leave Chiang Mai at 5.50 pm instead of 8.50 pm; TG103 on November 14 will leave Chiang Mai at 9.55 am instead of 10.05am; TG 105 on November 14 will leave Chiang Mai at 12.05 pm instead of 10.40 am; TG 116 on November 14-15 will leave Bangkok at 3.50 pm instead of 5.20 pm; TG 117 on November 14-15 will leave Chiang Mai at 5.50 pm instead of 7.20 pm.

    THAI also decided to increase flights for travelling between Bangkok and Chiang Mai and vice versa.

    THAI adjusts and reschedules flights between Bangkok-Chiang Mai during Loy Krathong festival |

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    ^ Thus buggering up the travel plans of thousands at the last minute as usual.

    They couldn't run a piss up in a brewery those people.

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